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#241
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increase the captain game limit and since you are tracking ex invite players just give them captain powers along with their 2100 elo

also some maps just blow for pugs, that isn't to say they aren't good in rotation

increase the captain game limit and since you are tracking ex invite players just give them captain powers along with their 2100 elo

also some maps just blow for pugs, that isn't to say they aren't good in rotation
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#242
0 Frags +

Am I allowed to play using my alt account, given that I use them same name on it?

Am I allowed to play using my alt account, given that I use them same name on it?
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#243
0 Frags +
erynnSide note: We are running reckoner because it is currently (to my knowledge) the only competitive map in active development and the creator is actually trying to get feedback to make a decent competitive map. It won't be perfect right away but if a few pugs are played on it and that results in some feedback getting back to them then it gives us the chance to get a new map that could be great. We aren't including it because we want to troll you guys. The original idea was to try and help out the map creator and see if something could happen with it.

for the most part i agree with what you're saying and its good to see evidence that there is more diversity in the map pool as a result, but the one thing I disagree with is the reasoning to include reckoner
in theory, it makes sense to have the most played pug site test out this new map and give it an actual player base to playtest it, but in practice the only results are people getting angry and talking with each other in mumble about how bad x y and z about the map are and how it should never be played in pugs
if after every reckoner pug the map creator was in a mumble channel and they talked about what they liked/disliked about it that would be a way to get actual feedback, or if players weren't too lazy to post on the thread with their thoughts, i think they would be much better results
a few points I've heard people make are that the map overall is way too big, the area between second and last is way too claustrophobic/cluttered with shit, one of the flank areas is impossible to push from mid into second from because it's super easy to spam from the shack on second point, the cap on the middle point is designed such that people capping are way too disadvantaged in a way that is unlike any other good cp map (think gullywash, metalworks, badlands mids--you have highground when capping, the only maps where you have a slight disadvantage capping are ultiduo maps and granary and process to an extent, but on reckoner it's such lowground that it's literally not worth going to during the midfight in any situation other than trying to go unseen and flank)

aieraincrease the captain game limit and since you are tracking ex invite players just give them captain powers along with their 2100 elo

to address aiera's point, there have been a bunch of situations where invite or other higher level players are trying to captain but don't get to which results in one team having a huge disadvantage because their captain is at a lower level than the majority of the players in the pug(ex: what mr bacon used to do in invite pugs)
one easy way to address this would be to make a hierarchy with the current invite players (people who actually played matches this season or in the past, not people roster riding like skeez) being prioritized over other players

however, this could result in problems if, for example, b4nny added captain to pugs with only open players and was guarenteed a captain slot, and pretty much instantly won the pug because he was the best player added
given that situation of one player better than all others is problematic even with the current system, but it could be exacerbated if there are only a few (maybe 2-3) very good players and the invite player who gets the captain automatically gets them self and therefore has an advantage, whereas if it were two players of the same skill level captaining nobody would have the advantage

aieraalso some maps just blow for pugs, that isn't to say they aren't good in rotation

i think there is actually some truth to this, for example pugs on badlands are generally a shit show because back caps are so much easier due to lack of coordination
in some situations teams are coordinated enough for badlands pugs to actually be pretty fun but i do agree with the point that in some scenarios certain maps just don't lend themselves to enjoyable pugs for anyone

[quote=erynn]
Side note: We are running reckoner because it is currently (to my knowledge) the only competitive map in active development and the creator is actually trying to get feedback to make a decent competitive map. It won't be perfect right away but if a few pugs are played on it and that results in some feedback getting back to them then it gives us the chance to get a new map that could be great. We aren't including it because we want to troll you guys. The original idea was to try and help out the map creator and see if something could happen with it.[/quote]
for the most part i agree with what you're saying and its good to see evidence that there is more diversity in the map pool as a result, but the one thing I disagree with is the reasoning to include reckoner
in theory, it makes sense to have the most played pug site test out this new map and give it an actual player base to playtest it, but in practice the only results are people getting angry and talking with each other in mumble about how bad x y and z about the map are and how it should never be played in pugs
if after every reckoner pug the map creator was in a mumble channel and they talked about what they liked/disliked about it that would be a way to get actual feedback, or if players weren't too lazy to post on the thread with their thoughts, i think they would be much better results
a few points I've heard people make are that the map overall is way too big, the area between second and last is way too claustrophobic/cluttered with shit, one of the flank areas is impossible to push from mid into second from because it's super easy to spam from the shack on second point, the cap on the middle point is designed such that people capping are way too disadvantaged in a way that is unlike any other good cp map (think gullywash, metalworks, badlands mids--you have highground when capping, the only maps where you have a slight disadvantage capping are ultiduo maps and granary and process to an extent, but on reckoner it's such lowground that it's literally not worth going to during the midfight in any situation other than trying to go unseen and flank)

[quote=aiera]increase the captain game limit and since you are tracking ex invite players just give them captain powers along with their 2100 elo[/quote]
to address aiera's point, there have been a bunch of situations where invite or other higher level players are trying to captain but don't get to which results in one team having a huge disadvantage because their captain is at a lower level than the majority of the players in the pug(ex: what mr bacon used to do in invite pugs)
one easy way to address this would be to make a hierarchy with the current invite players (people who actually played matches this season or in the past, not people roster riding like skeez) being prioritized over other players

however, this could result in problems if, for example, b4nny added captain to pugs with only open players and was guarenteed a captain slot, and pretty much instantly won the pug because he was the best player added
given that situation of one player better than all others is problematic even with the current system, but it could be exacerbated if there are only a few (maybe 2-3) very good players and the invite player who gets the captain automatically gets them self and therefore has an advantage, whereas if it were two players of the same skill level captaining nobody would have the advantage

[quote=aiera]also some maps just blow for pugs, that isn't to say they aren't good in rotation[/quote]
i think there is actually some truth to this, for example pugs on badlands are generally a shit show because back caps are so much easier due to lack of coordination
in some situations teams are coordinated enough for badlands pugs to actually be pretty fun but i do agree with the point that in some scenarios certain maps just don't lend themselves to enjoyable pugs for anyone
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#244
9 Frags +

you guys shoudl try to get more people in mixchamp becuase from what i've seen it's pretty lonely most of the time

you guys shoudl try to get more people in mixchamp becuase from what i've seen it's pretty lonely most of the time
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#245
5 Frags +
sopsAm I allowed to play using my alt account, given that I use them same name on it?

No, alts are explicitly forbidden.

[quote=sops]Am I allowed to play using my alt account, given that I use them same name on it?[/quote]

No, alts are explicitly forbidden.
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#246
9 Frags +
Smesiyou guys shoudl try to get more people in mixchamp becuase from what i've seen it's pretty lonely most of the time

Erynn's been away for a few days, she'll be back later this week to help get it going!

[quote=Smesi]you guys shoudl try to get more people in mixchamp becuase from what i've seen it's pretty lonely most of the time[/quote]

Erynn's been away for a few days, she'll be back later this week to help get it going!
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#247
5 Frags +

Can Europe get captain restrictions?
yet to play an enjoyable game with captains from open

Can Europe get captain restrictions?
yet to play an enjoyable game with captains from open
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#248
2 Frags +

Well whoops. We were running it on 0 games to get the system started, but it never got put back on the right number. It'll be fixed with a restart.

Well whoops. We were running it on 0 games to get the system started, but it never got put back on the right number. It'll be fixed with a restart.
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#249
1 Frags +
tscWell whoops. We were running it on 0 games to get the system started, but it never got put back on the right number. It'll be fixed with a restart.

Thanks! <3

[quote=tsc]Well whoops. We were running it on 0 games to get the system started, but it never got put back on the right number. It'll be fixed with a restart.[/quote]
Thanks! <3
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#250
4 Frags +

something is really broken with eu pugchamp. cant get any other games to start and a game is stuck on its draft...

something is really broken with eu pugchamp. cant get any other games to start and a game is stuck on its draft...
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#251
6 Frags +

Please fix eu pugchamp, every other game it stays stuck in drafting

Please fix eu pugchamp, every other game it stays stuck in drafting
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#252
ChampGG
10 Frags +

Hi everyone,
First off I want to apologize to people trying to play pugs the last couple of days and especially tonight in NA. I understand it was a very frustrating experience. We are trying to fix the problem but have been unsuccessful so far tonight. Basically what is happening is after a draft is completed, the site will attempt to make an rcon connection to the game server to set it up and it is failing (the site is not hanging or stuck but the game is failing to be initialized). We don't know why and tsc has been actively trying to fix it all day/night. All the pugchamps will be in a state of (very) degraded performance over the remainder of tonight and tomorrow while we try and fix the problems.

If you are in a pug that is 'stuck' at the draft process, @ one of the admins that are online (we have a hammer) and they can try re-initializing, re-assigning the server or aborting it if all else fails.

Again, we hope to have this fixed soon and thank you to everyone that is being patient.

Hi everyone,
First off I want to apologize to people trying to play pugs the last couple of days and especially tonight in NA. I understand it was a very frustrating experience. We are trying to fix the problem but have been unsuccessful so far tonight. Basically what is happening is after a draft is completed, the site will attempt to make an rcon connection to the game server to set it up and it is failing (the site is not hanging or stuck but the game is failing to be initialized). We don't know why and tsc has been actively trying to fix it all day/night. All the pugchamps will be in a state of (very) degraded performance over the remainder of tonight and tomorrow while we try and fix the problems.

If you are in a pug that is 'stuck' at the draft process, @ one of the admins that are online (we have a hammer) and they can try re-initializing, re-assigning the server or aborting it if all else fails.

Again, we hope to have this fixed soon and thank you to everyone that is being patient.
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#253
19 Frags +

we might need active eu admins :/

we might need active eu admins :/
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#254
ChampGG
8 Frags +

I have disabled the EU open site until the problem can get resolved. For the few pugs that are working, it is not worth trying to keep pugs happening to just have to abort them.

Edit: Some fixes have been deployed. It should help with pugs not starting.

[s]I have disabled the EU open site until the problem can get resolved. For the few pugs that are working, it is not worth trying to keep pugs happening to just have to abort them. [/s]

Edit: Some fixes have been deployed. It should help with pugs not starting.
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#255
5 Frags +

Why is the dhit allowed but the targe is banned?

Why is the dhit allowed but the targe is banned?
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#256
0 Frags +

hey, im from au and when i click the home button (signed in and all) all i see if the chat and the online users no pugs. has anyone experienced this issue or know how to fix it?

hey, im from au and when i click the home button (signed in and all) all i see if the chat and the online users no pugs. has anyone experienced this issue or know how to fix it?
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#257
2 Frags +

feel free to ban the dh after the 18th but not before please

feel free to ban the dh after the 18th but not before please
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#258
-1 Frags +
mitchhhey, im from au and when i click the home button (signed in and all) all i see if the chat and the online users no pugs. has anyone experienced this issue or know how to fix it?

Try a different/more updated browser. I had to uninstall and redownload chrome to update it to get pugchamp to work.

[quote=mitchh]hey, im from au and when i click the home button (signed in and all) all i see if the chat and the online users no pugs. has anyone experienced this issue or know how to fix it?[/quote]
Try a different/more updated browser. I had to uninstall and redownload chrome to update it to get pugchamp to work.
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#259
0 Frags +

The site seems to barely function :/
is there anything that you might need so we can try and make it work?

The site seems to barely function :/
is there anything that you might need so we can try and make it work?
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#260
4 Frags +

can we just run esea whitelist?

can we just have a functional site?

can we just run esea whitelist?

can we just have a functional site?
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#261
2 Frags +

We apologize for all of the ongoing issues. Unfortunately, I wasn't available to work on the site earlier this week due to finals, but I did finish an overhaul today which attempts to reduce load issues that may be aggravating our problems. Pinning down the exact cause has been difficult because it appears to be RCON connection failure which can't be explained by anything in particular.

We apologize for all of the ongoing issues. Unfortunately, I wasn't available to work on the site earlier this week due to finals, but I did finish an overhaul today which attempts to reduce load issues that may be aggravating our problems. Pinning down the exact cause has been difficult because it appears to be RCON connection failure which can't be explained by anything in particular.
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#262
2 Frags +

Can you use the updated maps? Last time I checked you still used snakewater_u6 and reckoner_b1

Can you use the updated maps? Last time I checked you still used snakewater_u6 and reckoner_b1
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#263
5 Frags +

Everything has been using b2 of Reckoner for a while, and u7 of Snakewater was installed just yesterday.

Everything has been using b2 of Reckoner for a while, and u7 of Snakewater was installed just yesterday.
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#264
0 Frags +
tscEverything has been using b2 of Reckoner for a while, and u7 of Snakewater was installed just yesterday.

Ah okay, great!

[quote=tsc]Everything has been using b2 of Reckoner for a while, and u7 of Snakewater was installed just yesterday.[/quote]
Ah okay, great!
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#265
7 Frags +

Hey can you guys add a more obvious link to MixChamp

https://gyazo.com/44a6d275e24e4f88e00340f0056ff308

Like here inbetween PugChamp and NA Open fit "MixChamp" in a different color, with maybe a Go-To sign and people just click on it and it brings them to that site. And then the same thing for MixChamp, a purple PugChamp button.

the current button to switch sites is tucked away and I think it should be more easily reached

Hey can you guys add a more obvious link to MixChamp

https://gyazo.com/44a6d275e24e4f88e00340f0056ff308

Like here inbetween PugChamp and NA Open fit "MixChamp" in a different color, with maybe a Go-To sign and people just click on it and it brings them to that site. And then the same thing for MixChamp, a purple PugChamp button.

the current button to switch sites is tucked away and I think it should be more easily reached
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#266
1 Frags +

Any chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?

Any chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?
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#267
-1 Frags +

edit: thanks, sorry for stupid question

edit: thanks, sorry for stupid question
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#268
1 Frags +
shorasAny chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?

Pretty sound logic, Im not sure why it wasn't adopted from the start.

[quote=shoras]Any chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?[/quote]
Pretty sound logic, Im not sure why it wasn't adopted from the start.
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#269
2 Frags +
shorasAny chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?

yeah it is so bullshit that it is etf2l whitelist with esea config

just fucking make na esea and eu etf2l none of this 50/50 bullshit

z3usI'm new to the comp scene in general, can I still use this for practice? If so where should I start?

https://na.mix.champ.gg/

also can we increase the captain gamelimit while allowing anyone with a star to captain so that not everyone with 5 games can cap?

[quote=shoras]Any chance we could use ETF2L configs on EU servers?[/quote]
yeah it is so bullshit that it is etf2l whitelist with esea config

just fucking make na esea and eu etf2l none of this 50/50 bullshit

[quote=z3us]I'm new to the comp scene in general, can I still use this for practice? If so where should I start?[/quote]
https://na.mix.champ.gg/

also can we increase the captain gamelimit while allowing anyone with a star to captain so that not everyone with 5 games can cap?
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#270
3 Frags +

can the atlanta server be moved to dallas or chicago?

can the atlanta server be moved to dallas or chicago?
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