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Concerns about Flares that Care
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Tomorrow is the second Flares that Care fundraising livestream. This event, whose stated goal is to hold quarterly fundraisers to benefit the Child’s Play charity, could become a shining example of the competitive Team Fortress 2 community’s generous spirit.

Or it could be a TF2 item and/or monetary scam which has the additional benefit of raising money for Child’s Play.

I have no way of knowing for sure the motivations of those leading this event. The more I’ve looked into the people who are heading Flares that Care (FTC), however, the more I’m inclined to think the second option could be the truth. I first became concerned about FTC after I read the top comment on this reddit post, where someone questioned FTC having a Valve trade-ban scammer (Plotchy) as an admin. The co-founder and lead spokesman for FTC, Snoven, replied: “Plotchy may have had bad rep for previous scams he's done, or ones he still does, however, he's still a valued member of our team.” Needless to say, Snoven’s reply sounded alarm bells for me. Why would a group which is asking people to donate money and items (in addition to time and effort) not be concerned about being involved with a known scammer? The “or ones he still does”, especially worried me, as it implied that the head of FTC was okay if a member of their admin team was currently in the process of scamming TF2 community members. Beyond the moral and ethical reasons for why condoning something like that is a no-no, wouldn’t FTC be worried about how actions like this could impact their reputation?

So I did some research. Here’s what I found:
According to the Flares that Care website FTC has 10 people on its staff. Seven of those administrators have no suspicious online history that I could find; they’re all established Steam accounts with no hint of scandal associated to them. Odds are, those seven people are donating their time and effort in good faith. Listed co-founder B_Red has some oddness to his online history, but as of today his profile states he’s left FTC due to not liking how Snoven left it, so he’s not being factored into this post. The remaining two members, however, are a different story.

Snoven is the co-founder of Flares that Care and is its main spokesman and driving force. Were it not for his high Steam level and well-known friends, Snoven’s Steam account would probably have raised a few eyebrows: he has a private inventory, used Steam achievement manager for his TF2 achievements, and his account was only created on September 19, 2014. The reason Snoven has been able to go from new Steam account to the leader of a large TF2 charity event in less than 6 months is not because he is an amazing networker, but because he has the experience that comes with his nearly 4 year old alt account, AmethyzFox. TF2Outpost was the first to note that these accounts had the same owner (by banning them both), but there is also numerous supporting evidence as well.

Here’s where things get interesting.

Snoven’s original account, AmethyzFox disappeared at the beginning of November 2014 after he earned a Steam rep caution, and gleefully admitting to bilking an entire community out of about 40 buds worth of TF2 items. Here’s the post where he gloats about his scamming to his victims. While the entire despicable thing is worth reading, here is the key bit: “In total, I gained somewhere near the 40 bud range of total input from people specifically from the vsh server, and I appreciate it greatly. It pleases me greatly that simply by asking for s*** from all of you, and pretending to care, or make some effort to scam it, via a broker, ill pay you back, etc., I could get ALL OF THAT.”

That’s the guy who, a few weeks later, launched Flares that Care.

We now move onto Plotchy who, unlike Snoven, hasn’t swapped accounts to hide his sordid past. Plotchy is currently Valve Trade-banned, has 3 reports against him on Steam Rep (the most recent of which is from December 9, 2014), is banned on TF2 Outpost for impersonating a TF2 Outpost admin for scams, has 12 friends with various trade bans on his Steam account, and is banned for scamming from multiple online communities (including CS:GO Lounge).

He's one of Flares that Care's two Public Relations admins.

When I began writing this post earlier today, Snoven, Plotchy, and B_Red were the sole friends of the Flares that Care item donation bot. After Snoven and B_Red’s fallout, Snoven became the sole friend of the donation account, the donation account’s inventory became private, and donations were announced as closed (at last check with 2 unusuals donated amongst other items). Item donations will supposedly “be used to pay for keys and crates in a possible finale unbox, and otherwise will be used as prize packages for the top 3, 5, or 10 donators dependent on the amount of item donations [received]” and “All donated items are under no circumstance to be used outside of the Flares that Care events, and all item donations are considered final.” Nowhere, however is there a public documentation of who has donated items, or proof that all items are being used to for the event.

FtC has also requested monetary donations beyond that of the direct link to Child’s Play. Although FTC’s policy claims that “Monetary donations are sent directly to Child's Play” an announcement a made a month later states that the Paypal link on their site and group supposedly benefits their group: “The other available types of donations are monetary donations to pay for our VPS and website, the donation link will always be available and exclusively used to pay for our VPS / site hosting. You can donate for web hosting / VPS [link to Paypal site].” Once again, no documentation or transparency is provided to the public.

Those are the facts which I’ve found out. I’ve heard rumors of participants finding themselves signed up for events they had never agreed to, rude behavior, disorganization, and the money donated not via the direct Child’s Play link going astray – but these are not things I can personally substantiate. However, I believe that people should know what they’re getting into before donating their items/time/money. Additionally, Flares that Care borrows heavily from the well-known and reputable Tip of the Hats and the last thing I want to see is an event like TOTH suffering in reputation because of the shadiness of a similar event.

Again, I do not know Snoven’s motivations. He might be doing this all from the goodness of his heart, he might be planning to skim a bit each event, or the whole thing except for the direct link to Child’s Play could be a giant scam. He could also have been planning to take option 2 or 3 but will feel forced to run the event completely legitimately now, in order to prove my concerns needless – which is fine by me. My main concern was to help make sure the community was informed, and, now that I have, it’s up to you.

Tomorrow is the second Flares that Care fundraising livestream. This event, whose stated goal is to hold quarterly fundraisers to benefit the Child’s Play charity, could become a shining example of the competitive Team Fortress 2 community’s generous spirit.

[b]Or it could be a TF2 item and/or monetary scam which has the additional benefit of raising money for Child’s Play.[/b]

I have no way of knowing for sure the motivations of those leading this event. The more I’ve looked into the people who are heading Flares that Care (FTC), however, the more I’m inclined to think the second option could be the truth. I first became concerned about FTC after I read the top comment on [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/2tx6zh/flares_that_care_a_fundraising_livestream]this[/url] reddit post, where someone questioned FTC having a Valve trade-ban scammer (Plotchy) as an admin. The co-founder and lead spokesman for FTC, Snoven, replied: “Plotchy may have had bad rep for previous scams he's done, or ones he still does, however, he's still a valued member of our team.” Needless to say, Snoven’s reply sounded alarm bells for me. Why would a group which is asking people to donate money and items (in addition to time and effort) [i]not[/i] be concerned about being involved with a known scammer? The “or ones he still does”, especially worried me, as it implied that the head of FTC was okay if a member of their admin team was currently in the process of scamming TF2 community members. Beyond the moral and ethical reasons for why condoning something like that is a no-no, wouldn’t FTC be worried about how actions like this could impact their reputation?

[b]So I did some research. Here’s what I found:[/b]
According to the Flares that Care [url=http://www.flaresthatcare.org/people.php]website[/url] FTC has 10 people on its staff. Seven of those administrators have no suspicious online history that I could find; they’re all established Steam accounts with no hint of scandal associated to them. Odds are, those seven people are donating their time and effort in good faith. Listed co-founder B_Red has some oddness to his online history, but as of today his profile states he’s left FTC due to not liking how Snoven left it, so he’s not being factored into this post. The remaining two members, however, are a different story.

[b]Snoven[/b] is the co-founder of Flares that Care and is its main spokesman and driving force. Were it not for his high Steam level and well-known friends, Snoven’s [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/snoven]Steam account[/url] would probably have raised a few eyebrows: he has a private inventory, used Steam achievement manager for his TF2 achievements, and his account was only created on September 19, 2014. The reason Snoven has been able to go from new Steam account to the leader of a large TF2 charity event in less than 6 months is not because he is an amazing networker, but because he has the experience that comes with his nearly 4 year old alt account, [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/AmethyzFox/]AmethyzFox[/url]. TF2Outpost was the first to [url=http://www.tf2outpost.com/user/76561198155316177]note[/url] that these accounts had the same owner (by banning them both), but there is also numerous supporting evidence as well.

[b]Here’s where things get interesting.[/b]

Snoven’s original account, AmethyzFox disappeared at the beginning of November 2014 after he earned a Steam rep caution, and [u]gleefully[/u] admitting to bilking an entire community out of about 40 buds worth of TF2 items. Here’s the [url=http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198042571598-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.82594/#post-227233]post[/url] where he gloats about his scamming to his victims. While the entire despicable thing is worth reading, here is the key bit: [b]“In total, I gained somewhere near the 40 bud range of total input from people specifically from the vsh server, and I appreciate it greatly. It pleases me greatly that simply by asking for s*** from all of you, and pretending to care, or make some effort to scam it, via a broker, ill pay you back, etc., I could get ALL OF THAT.”[/b]

That’s the guy who, a few weeks later, launched Flares that Care.

We now move onto [b]Plotchy[/b] who, unlike Snoven, hasn’t swapped accounts to hide his sordid past. Plotchy is currently Valve Trade-banned, has 3 reports against him on Steam Rep (the most recent of which is from December 9, 2014), is banned on TF2 Outpost for impersonating a TF2 Outpost admin for scams, has 12 friends with various trade bans on his Steam account, and is banned for scamming from multiple online communities (including CS:GO Lounge).

He's one of Flares that Care's two Public Relations admins.

When I began writing this post earlier today, Snoven, Plotchy, and B_Red were the sole friends of the Flares that Care item [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/flaresthatcare/]donation bot[/url]. After Snoven and B_Red’s fallout, Snoven became the sole friend of the donation account, the donation account’s inventory became private, and donations were announced as closed (at last check with 2 unusuals donated amongst other items). Item donations [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flaresthatcare#announcements/detail/234522998927483169]will supposedly[/url] “be used to pay for keys and crates in a possible finale unbox, and otherwise will be used as prize packages for the top 3, 5, or 10 donators dependent on the amount of item donations [received]” [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flaresthatcare/discussions/0/604941528473522514/]and[/url] “All donated items are under no circumstance to be used outside of the Flares that Care events, and all item donations are considered final.” Nowhere, however is there a public documentation of who has donated items, or proof that all items are being used to for the event.

FtC has also requested monetary donations beyond that of the direct link to Child’s Play. Although FTC’s [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flaresthatcare/discussions/0/604941528473522514/]policy[/url] claims that “Monetary donations are sent directly to Child's Play” an [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/flaresthatcare#announcements/detail/234522998927483169]announcement[/url] a made a month later states that the Paypal link on their site and group supposedly benefits their group: “The other available types of donations are monetary donations to pay for our VPS and website, the donation link will always be available and exclusively used to pay for our VPS / site hosting. You can donate for web hosting / VPS [link to Paypal site].” Once again, no documentation or transparency is provided to the public.

Those are the facts which I’ve found out. I’ve heard rumors of participants finding themselves signed up for events they had never agreed to, rude behavior, disorganization, and the money donated not via the direct Child’s Play link going astray – but these are not things I can personally substantiate. However, I believe that people should know what they’re getting into before donating their items/time/money. Additionally, Flares that Care borrows heavily from the well-known and reputable Tip of the Hats and the last thing I want to see is an event like TOTH suffering in reputation because of the shadiness of a similar event.

Again, I do not know Snoven’s motivations. He might be doing this all from the goodness of his heart, he might be planning to skim a bit each event, or the whole thing except for the direct link to Child’s Play could be a giant scam. He could also have been planning to take option 2 or 3 but will feel forced to run the event completely legitimately now, in order to prove my concerns needless – which is fine by me. My main concern was to help make sure the community was informed, and, now that I have, it’s up to you.
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I ran out of room on my first post, but here's a timeline of relevant events for people who wish to see how close together the scams, alts, and Flares that Care events are.

September 19, 2014 – snoven’s steam account was created
November 7, 2014 – snoven leaves behind his AmethyzFox account after receiving a Steam Rep caution and boasting to his victims.
November 8, 2014 – Plotchy has a Steam Rep report made against him
November 24, 2014 – first appearance of the Flares that Care name, on an alt of Plotchy’s
November 30, 2014 – B_Red’s Stream Group is created, original group listed for FTC
December 9, 2014 – Plotchy has a Steam Rep report made against him. Gloats about it in the comments.
December 17, 2014event goes up on b_red’s group announcing FTC
December 19, 2014 – First FTC event (PST) Friday 8 AM - Saturday 8 AM. Only direct donations to Child’s Play are accepted.
December 28, 2014 – Plotchy has a Steam Rep report made against him. Gloats about it in the comments.
December 30, 2014 – Flares that Care Steam Group is created by snoven
January 28, 2015 – Item Donation Bot is created
March 12, 2015 – B_Red and Snoven have a falling out, Snoven becomes sole friend of the item donation bot, closes it and makes its inventory private.
March 13, 2015 – Second Flares that Care event

I ran out of room on my first post, but here's a timeline of relevant events for people who wish to see how close together the scams, alts, and Flares that Care events are.

[b]September 19, 2014[/b] – snoven’s steam account was created
[b]November 7, 2014[/b] – snoven leaves behind his AmethyzFox account after receiving a Steam Rep caution and boasting to his victims.
[b]November 8, 2014[/b] – Plotchy has a Steam Rep [url=http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198056063859-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.82737/]report[/url] made against him
[b]November 24, 2014[/b] – first [url=(http://www.steamid.co.uk/profile/76561198164924872]appearance[/url] of the Flares that Care name, on an alt of Plotchy’s
[b]November 30, 2014[/b] – B_Red’s Stream Group is created, original group listed for FTC
[b]December 9, 2014[/b] – Plotchy has a Steam Rep [url=http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198056063859-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.85512/]report[/url] made against him. Gloats about it in the comments.
[b]December 17, 2014[/b] – [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/B_RED/discussions/0/626329820697051050/]event[/url] goes up on b_red’s group announcing FTC
[b]December 19, 2014[/b] – First FTC event (PST) Friday 8 AM - Saturday 8 AM. Only direct donations to Child’s Play are accepted.
[b]December 28, 2014[/b] – Plotchy has a Steam Rep [url=http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/report-76561198056063859-tf2-team-fortress-2-items.87220/]report[/url] made against him. Gloats about it in the comments.
[b]December 30, 2014[/b] – Flares that Care Steam Group is created by snoven
[b]January 28, 2015[/b] – Item Donation Bot is created
[b]March 12, 2015[/b] – B_Red and Snoven have a falling out, Snoven becomes sole friend of the item donation bot, closes it and makes its inventory private.
[b]March 13, 2015[/b] – Second Flares that Care event
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dw no sentient being *should donate to a bunch of unknown nerds doing a "charity" event anyways
inb4 "ur just being contraary to the popular opinion that cancer kids need money and every charity is good"
yes they do need money but u can give it to them without being entertained by researching what charities are good

dw no sentient being *should donate to a bunch of unknown nerds doing a "charity" event anyways
inb4 "ur just being contraary to the popular opinion that cancer kids need money and every charity is good"
yes they do need money but u can give it to them without being entertained by researching what charities are good
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36 Frags +

TotH or bust

TotH or bust
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i think these are legitimate concerns, but i do hope that they are actually doing this for a good cause rather than doing it for themselves

i still support the event, but thanks for bringing all of these issues into the open

i think these are legitimate concerns, but i do hope that they are actually doing this for a good cause rather than doing it for themselves

i still support the event, but thanks for bringing all of these issues into the open
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dont support it if they might be scamming, you tard(s)

dont support it if they might be scamming, you tard(s)
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PYRO MAINS

[b]PYRO MAINS[/b]
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The first event was great, I had a great time hosting it and everyone had a fun time whilst raising money for kids. The second event was out of my hands and I had no pull in it. Snoven treated a lot of our guests/management with no respect. I could not be apart of an organization that treats people with such little respect (especially since they were doing this out of the kindness of their hearts). I started FTC to raise money for kids, not for events such as this happen in the community. Digresser has made a great post that really does open eyes.

The first event was great, I had a great time hosting it and everyone had a fun time whilst raising money for kids. The second event was out of my hands and I had no pull in it. Snoven treated a lot of our guests/management with no respect. I could not be apart of an organization that treats people with such little respect (especially since they were doing this out of the kindness of their hearts). I started FTC to raise money for kids, not for events such as this happen in the community. Digresser has made a great post that really does open eyes.
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The fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.

The fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.
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moofThe fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.

The first event (as stated above) took only monetary donations which went directly to the charity of Child's Play.

[quote=moof]The fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.[/quote]

The first event (as stated above) took only monetary donations which went directly to the charity of Child's Play.
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B_REDmoofThe fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.
The first event (as stated above) took only monetary donations which went directly to the charity of Child's Play.

I'm not saying it didn't-- but I would like to see proof before I ask my team to participate in the showmatches. I know we already confirmed, but this new information does raise concerns as the OP implied. You can add me to talk if you'd like-- I just want to clear this up.

[quote=B_RED][quote=moof]The fact that this event was already not very well organized imho and expected both showmatch teams to at first play 3 hours of h i g h l a n d e r already made me raise an eyebrow-- but with this new information I'd like to see some form of documentation or proof that the items/money from the last charity event was in fact DONATED to charity.[/quote]

The first event (as stated above) took only monetary donations which went directly to the charity of Child's Play.[/quote]

I'm not saying it didn't-- but I would like to see proof before I ask my team to participate in the showmatches. I know we already confirmed, but this new information does raise concerns as the OP implied. You can add me to talk if you'd like-- I just want to clear this up.
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What kind of makes me think this might not be hosted with all of these bad intentions is that I'm pretty sure using an official charity organization as the front for a scam can get you into actual legal trouble, not just getting banned from a website and slapped on the hand. Snoven and company would have to be pretty ballsy/stupid to try and pull off a scam under the vise of an actual charity with actual laws surrounding what you can and can't do to raise money for them.

However, your points are very well-researched and I'd be much more disappointed to find out that these people actually do have such a slimy history because I've openly supported this event for 2 months now and I would hate to be involved with that type of crowd - or even worse, get other's involved.

What kind of makes me think this might not be hosted with all of these bad intentions is that I'm pretty sure using an official charity organization as the front for a scam can get you into actual legal trouble, not just getting banned from a website and slapped on the hand. Snoven and company would have to be pretty ballsy/stupid to try and pull off a scam under the vise of an actual charity with actual laws surrounding what you can and can't do to raise money for them.

However, your points are very well-researched and I'd be much more disappointed to find out that these people actually do have such a slimy history because I've openly supported this event for 2 months now and I would hate to be involved with that type of crowd - or even worse, get other's involved.
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A little bit after I was added about doing a HL showmatch, I was told it'd be against mTs. Upwards of two weeks later, we were talking about it in our mumble, and moof (who leads mTs) had literally no clue they were playing in anything at all.

If you want to donate, make absolutely sure it's done directly to the charity. No middlemen.

A little bit after I was added about doing a HL showmatch, I was told it'd be against mTs. Upwards of two weeks later, we were talking about it in our mumble, and moof (who leads mTs) had literally no clue they were playing in anything at all.

If you want to donate, make absolutely sure it's done directly to the charity. No middlemen.
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Thank you Digresser for taking this on.

This is EXTREMELY alarming to me, especially the proximity of snoven gloating about stealing items and starting FTC.

Unless snoven can come forward with some details on things like what items were donated by who, and possibly an anonymous list of donations made, etc.. basically just come out and be SUPER SUPER transparent, give a paper trail, very soon, I would imagine I won't be the only one pulling my support from this event.

Thank you Digresser for taking this on.

This is EXTREMELY alarming to me, especially the proximity of snoven gloating about stealing items and starting FTC.

Unless snoven can come forward with some details on things like what items were donated by who, and possibly an anonymous list of donations made, etc.. basically just come out and be SUPER SUPER transparent, give a paper trail, very soon, I would imagine I won't be the only one pulling my support from this event.
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newbie.tf
48 Frags +

Rofl I moved the mge tourney finals back for a scam oops

Edit also if this doesn't clear up by the time the event starts I will be hosting a "Don't Watch Flares That Care" livestream with a direct-to-child's play donation thing and ur all invited

Edit 2 if i actually do this i will actually not start until around 6 or 7 est

Rofl I moved the mge tourney finals back for a scam oops

[b]Edit[/b] also if this doesn't clear up by the time the event starts I will be hosting a "Don't Watch Flares That Care" livestream with a direct-to-child's play donation thing and ur all invited

Edit 2 if i actually do this i will actually not start until around 6 or 7 est
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First FTC event was legit as Digresser already pointed out and I just triple-checked to confirm with B_RED. Thank you for putting on that event.

My concern will remain for the second one for the sole fact that TF2 items were added by the person that allegedly scammed people out of items in the past and then used an alt to hide it. Until Snoven addresses these claims, I'm really not sure how to feel except worried.

Also massive thank you to B_RED for being transparent with me :)

First FTC event was legit as Digresser already pointed out and I just triple-checked to confirm with B_RED. Thank you for putting on that event.

My concern will remain for the second one for the sole fact that TF2 items were added by the person that allegedly scammed people out of items in the past and then used an alt to hide it. Until Snoven addresses these claims, I'm really not sure how to feel except worried.

Also massive thank you to B_RED for being transparent with me :)
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Please don't let this dissuade you from donating to a real charity that would use your gift to help others.

Please don't let this dissuade you from donating to a real charity that would use your gift to help others.
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#18
1 Frags +

Get yer pitchforks boys! :^)

On a serious note, as much as i can say i dont want it to be true, im leaning to that statement being wrong. One thing that really struck me besides the obvious trade history is the fact that, charity events are usually run by very like-minded individuals, people that want to do good. To have a fall-out for a charity event seems very odd. You run it out of your heart, there shouldnt be a lot of hoops to jump through besides stress and tech stuff. It just seens very off-putting that the first strean was directly through charity, and then a falling out happens and now we can donate items? It seems like a bait and switch. Hats off to you B_RED for actually stepping up and talking on the forums openly about it.

Get yer pitchforks boys! :^)

On a serious note, as much as i can say i dont want it to be true, im leaning to that statement being wrong. One thing that really struck me besides the obvious trade history is the fact that, charity events are usually run by very like-minded individuals, people that want to do good. To have a fall-out for a charity event seems very odd. You run it out of your heart, there shouldnt be a lot of hoops to jump through besides stress and tech stuff. It just seens very off-putting that the first strean was directly through charity, and then a falling out happens and now we can donate items? It seems like a bait and switch. Hats off to you B_RED for actually stepping up and talking on the forums openly about it.
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tetrominoPlease don't let this dissuade you from donating to a real charity that would use your gift to help others.

If you're going to donate, make it directly to the website as Kresnik said above :)

[quote=tetromino]Please don't let this dissuade you from donating to a real charity that would use your gift to help others.[/quote]

If you're going to donate, make it directly to the website as Kresnik said above :)
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Tip of the Hats
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GetawhaleThank you Digresser for taking this on.

This is EXTREMELY alarming to me, especially the proximity of snoven gloating about stealing items and starting FTC.

Unless snoven can come forward with some details on things like what items were donated by who, and possibly an anonymous list of donations made, etc.. basically just come out and be SUPER SUPER transparent, give a paper trail, very soon, I would imagine I won't be the only one pulling my support from this event.

I feel the same way. This sucks. :/

[quote=Getawhale]Thank you Digresser for taking this on.

This is EXTREMELY alarming to me, especially the proximity of snoven gloating about stealing items and starting FTC.

Unless snoven can come forward with some details on things like what items were donated by who, and possibly an anonymous list of donations made, etc.. basically just come out and be SUPER SUPER transparent, give a paper trail, very soon, I would imagine I won't be the only one pulling my support from this event.[/quote]

I feel the same way. This sucks. :/
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#21
9 Frags +

This is something that did actually need to be posted and I'm sure everyone that was planning on supporting them should read this. Thank you Digresser. I'm pretty cautious about this now too.

This is something that did actually need to be posted and I'm sure everyone that was planning on supporting them should read this. Thank you Digresser. I'm pretty cautious about this now too.
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Tip of the Hats
18 Frags +

Uh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png

Uh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png
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#23
8 Frags +
AuzzieUh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png

His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)

[quote=Auzzie]Uh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png[/quote]

His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)
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#24
2 Frags +

Plotchy actually joined one of my steam groups called anti scammers league a couple weeks ago and left this comment "lol who are these people I fucking scammed people out of 70 buds". Unfortunately I don't have the actual post he did because one of the admins had deleted th comment and kicked him from the group but um....yeah
He did after how ever say it was a joke so. He told me that the reason he got the trade ban was because someone from another country gifted him a steam gift card and then he put it on his account and it gave him extra money somehow, steam doesn't like that apparently and so they trade banned him, I call bs on that but has anyone heard of this kind of thing happening before?

Plotchy actually joined one of my steam groups called anti scammers league a couple weeks ago and left this comment "lol who are these people I fucking scammed people out of 70 buds". Unfortunately I don't have the actual post he did because one of the admins had deleted th comment and kicked him from the group but um....yeah
He did after how ever say it was a joke so. He told me that the reason he got the trade ban was because someone from another country gifted him a steam gift card and then he put it on his account and it gave him extra money somehow, steam doesn't like that apparently and so they trade banned him, I call bs on that but has anyone heard of this kind of thing happening before?
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#25
46 Frags +

I'd like to go on record stating my name, (FoxC) Jess, and Blutz's name are only on this project because we were in charge of the graphics, I started working on this project when B_Red asked if i could donate my time for a good cause. I have spent the last week up all hours of the night, with my team trying to finish this project. and the ONLY thing I support is the amount of hard work our graphics team has put in.

I don't know Snoven, this was my first time, and will be my last time working with him, on top of unrealistic deadlines, unorganized meetings, ridiculous demands, and unprofessional attitude towards those working with him on a Charity event, I'm now learning about all this.

I've spent the last week up all hours of the night, working my absolute hardest, with my graphics team, trying to deliver something we believed would be our chance to give back to a community we all know and love so much.

So on behalf of the FTC Graphics Team, We're sorry.

I'd like to go on record stating my name, (FoxC) Jess, and Blutz's name are only on this project because we were in charge of the graphics, I started working on this project when B_Red asked if i could donate my time for a good cause. I have spent the last week up all hours of the night, with my team trying to finish this project. and the ONLY thing I support is the amount of hard work our graphics team has put in.

I don't know Snoven, this was my first time, and will be my last time working with him, on top of unrealistic deadlines, unorganized meetings, ridiculous demands, and unprofessional attitude towards those working with him on a Charity event, I'm now learning about all this.

I've spent the last week up all hours of the night, working my absolute hardest, with my graphics team, trying to deliver something we believed would be our chance to give back to a community we all know and love so much.

So on behalf of the FTC Graphics Team, We're sorry.
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#26
26 Frags +
FoxCI've spent the last week up all hours of the night, working my absolute hardest, with my graphics team, trying to deliver something we believed would be our chance to give back to a community we all know and love so much.

So on behalf of the FTC Graphics Team, We're sorry.

I hope you guys don't let this bad experience keep you away from reputable events. You three are very talented artists and the community could really benefit from your work on other projects.

[quote=FoxC]
I've spent the last week up all hours of the night, working my absolute hardest, with my graphics team, trying to deliver something we believed would be our chance to give back to a community we all know and love so much.

So on behalf of the FTC Graphics Team, We're sorry.[/quote]

I hope you guys don't let this bad experience keep you away from reputable events. You three are very talented artists and the community could really benefit from your work on other projects.
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#27
5 Frags +
B_REDAuzzieUh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png
His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)

The issue is more that he's been offline since the exact minute that this thread got made

Not suspicious AT ALL

[quote=B_RED][quote=Auzzie]Uh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png[/quote]

His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)[/quote]
The issue is more that he's been offline since the exact minute that this thread got made

Not suspicious AT ALL
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#28
44 Frags +
B_REDHis net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)

I have absolutely nothing against any age group, certainly not in this community

But should a guy whose internet gets cut by his dad every day be the guy heading up an event, involving donations and real money? Maybe I'm way out to lunch here. Tell me if I'm crazy.

This is a separate question from the rest of this stuff - we'll see what response we get from snoven on all that. Reminding everyone to give him the benefit of the doubt until we get an answer.

[quote=B_RED]His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)[/quote]

I have absolutely nothing against any age group, certainly not in this community

But should a guy whose internet gets cut by his dad every day be the guy heading up an event, involving donations and real money? Maybe I'm way out to lunch here. Tell me if I'm crazy.

This is a separate question from the rest of this stuff - we'll see what response we get from snoven on all that. Reminding everyone to give him the benefit of the doubt until we get an answer.
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#29
10 Frags +

I have a bad feeling that Snoven, those items, and the event are about to drop off the radar never to be heard from again.
Using what was to be a good cause to scam and play the trust of the TF2 community is a next level scum action

I have a bad feeling that Snoven, those items, and the event are about to drop off the radar never to be heard from again.
Using what was to be a good cause to scam and play the trust of the TF2 community is a next level scum action
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#30
Tip of the Hats
16 Frags +
B_REDAuzzieUh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png
His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)

Gotcha, if that's the case the timing was just pretty bad.

Also, gonna throw in my two cents on this whole thing. I've known Snoven for a while, back when he was on his Amz account too. In short I found out that he would go to a server and pretend to be a chick and then some kid with access to his parent's paypal account would buy stuff for him. He also tried to give me a Max's Head that I later gave back, turns out that was scammed as well. Also there's his first account getting hit with the community ban. Just stupid stuff like that really gave me bad vibes about him. He asked me to help with FTC this time around but knowing him I tried to keep away. After reading all of this and seeing how sketchy the event itself is I really don't feel okay with him running something like this.

[quote=B_RED][quote=Auzzie]Uh http://puu.sh/gybYi/6f5820e7f9.png[/quote]

His net goes off at a certain time during the night (his dad cuts it)[/quote]

Gotcha, if that's the case the timing was just pretty bad.

Also, gonna throw in my two cents on this whole thing. I've known Snoven for a while, back when he was on his Amz account too. In short I found out that he would go to a server and pretend to be a chick and then some kid with access to his parent's paypal account would buy stuff for him. He also tried to give me a Max's Head that I later gave back, turns out that was scammed as well. Also there's his first account getting hit with the community ban. Just stupid stuff like that really gave me bad vibes about him. He asked me to help with FTC this time around but knowing him I tried to keep away. After reading all of this and seeing how sketchy the event itself is I really don't feel okay with him running something like this.
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