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NA TF2 Winter LAN: What's next after GXL?
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#31
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Lots of assumptions being made in your list there dashner. I never said I wouldn't go to ETS, I just said I'd prefer FITES. You made similar assumptions for a lot of people unless you spoke with them in PMs or something.

Lots of assumptions being made in your list there dashner. I never said I wouldn't go to ETS, I just said I'd prefer FITES. You made similar assumptions for a lot of people unless you spoke with them in PMs or something.
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#32
eXtelevision
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I think we are going to have way more fleXibility and pull with the admins at FITES LAN. I'm not even sure if ETS would bulk pre-sell us an area, and that's what we'd have to do to guarantee a set amount of teams actually can get tickets. If ETS does let us set that up and have an official TF2 tournament, where would we cast it from? I doubt they'd be able to facilitate any sort of casting space for us.

FITES on the other hand, shouldn't sell out on us too quickly, we can get seating arranged favorably, the admins are close associates of ours, they're eXcited about working with TF2 again, and we could probably get a casting set up and spectator area in the side room.

I'm leaning more towards FITES, as much as I loved Montreal.

I think we are going to have way more fleXibility and pull with the admins at FITES LAN. I'm not even sure if ETS would bulk pre-sell us an area, and that's what we'd have to do to guarantee a set amount of teams actually can get tickets. If ETS does let us set that up and have an official TF2 tournament, where would we cast it from? I doubt they'd be able to facilitate any sort of casting space for us.

FITES on the other hand, shouldn't sell out on us too quickly, we can get seating arranged favorably, the admins are close associates of ours, they're eXcited about working with TF2 again, and we could probably get a casting set up and spectator area in the side room.

I'm leaning more towards FITES, as much as I loved Montreal.
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#33
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I might go to the next ETS, just cause it's not far from where I live and that it'd be hard for me to get to FITES.

I might go to the next ETS, just cause it's not far from where I live and that it'd be hard for me to get to FITES.
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#34
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I will be going to FITES but probably not ets

I will be going to FITES but probably not ets
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#35
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The main draw of ETS appears to be the size and prestige of the event. I ask the questions, what does a TF2 tourney at ETS get us? How would it advance TF2 as an esport? Do we stand to gain traction in public appetite and sponsor willingness? Given the size and apparent past misgivings, is it possible for TF2 to become a big enough focus at the LAN itself? In addition, to whom in this community does this motivation appeal?

I hope that someone could maybe answer these questions. It would help solidify the differences between FITES and ETS that are not location.

The main draw of ETS appears to be the size and prestige of the event. I ask the questions, what does a TF2 tourney at ETS get us? How would it advance TF2 as an esport? Do we stand to gain traction in public appetite and sponsor willingness? Given the size and apparent past misgivings, is it possible for TF2 to become a big enough focus at the LAN itself? In addition, to whom in this community does this motivation appeal?

I hope that someone could maybe answer these questions. It would help solidify the differences between FITES and ETS that are not location.
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#36
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Gonna try and attend FITES as long as my schedule permits.

Gonna try and attend FITES as long as my schedule permits.
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#37
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i thought we went to lans because we liked the people at the lan and the game is fun

was the whole point of gxl/major lans to get tf2 to be an esport?

i dont think i understand the question

im fine to throw up on beds in either the us or canada but i rly dont like mechanicsburg that place is fuckin desolate

i thought we went to lans because we liked the people at the lan and the game is fun

was the whole point of gxl/major lans to get tf2 to be an esport?

i dont think i understand the question

im fine to throw up on beds in either the us or canada but i rly dont like mechanicsburg that place is fuckin desolate
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#38
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If we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.

If we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.
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#39
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pl3xIf we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.

you're seriously talking out of your ass, not quite sure the point you're trying to get across but ETS had the biggest turn out for tf2 players up until GXL happened

[quote=pl3x]If we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.[/quote]

you're seriously talking out of your ass, not quite sure the point you're trying to get across but ETS had the biggest turn out for tf2 players up until GXL happened
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#40
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either one if no elections in canada land

either one if no elections in canada land
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#41
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defypl3xIf we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.

you're seriously talking out of your ass, not quite sure the point you're trying to get across but ETS had the biggest turn out for tf2 players up until GXL happened

He does have a point with the smaller LANs thing. Since ETS doesn't really like us and probably won't give us a tournament this year (or possibly won't let us use any servers for TF2, idk how servers work at LANs though), we can go to smaller LANs like FITES and GXL and others around the country to prove we can get enough people to host tournaments.

Pretty sure that was not what he was trying to say though.

As a side note, will the next CEVO LAN finals, if they happen, be held at whichever LAN we choose?

[quote=defy][quote=pl3x]If we really want TF2 to advance as an esport, my opinion is that we should headline smaller LANs and drum up interest from bigger LANs.

Trying to get into ETS will be like a bug trying to get the attention of a mountain. There just isn't enough interest from the organizers or the standing in the video game world to make it work. There also needs to be more teams into the higher levels of the game. The gap between Open and Invite is too big as-is, and having the same like 3 good teams or so at every LAN will do nothing to help TF2's popularity.[/quote]

you're seriously talking out of your ass, not quite sure the point you're trying to get across but ETS had the biggest turn out for tf2 players up until GXL happened[/quote]
He does have a point with the smaller LANs thing. Since ETS doesn't really like us and probably won't give us a tournament this year (or possibly won't let us use any servers for TF2, idk how servers work at LANs though), we can go to smaller LANs like FITES and GXL and others around the country to prove we can get enough people to host tournaments.

Pretty sure that was not what he was trying to say though.

As a side note, will the next CEVO LAN finals, if they happen, be held at whichever LAN we choose?
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#42
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I'd rather FITES

I'd rather FITES
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#43
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I would like to attend both, but my biggest problem would be bringing a computer. I know shipping or buying a laptop could solve the problem, but renting a PC feels more straightforward. The easiest way (for me) to get to these events would be flying and knowing that I got a PC helps tremendously.

I guess i'd need to get in touch with future attendees and see if they have spares.

I would like to attend both, but my biggest problem would be bringing a computer. I know shipping or buying a laptop could solve the problem, but renting a PC feels more straightforward. The easiest way (for me) to get to these events would be flying and knowing that I got a PC helps tremendously.

I guess i'd need to get in touch with future attendees and see if they have spares.
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#44
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id probably do fites

id probably do fites
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#45
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I will be going to FITES.

I will be going to FITES.
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#46
newbie.tf
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Will probably go to fites.

Will probably go to fites.
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#47
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Id be down for either, but would vastly prefer ETS as montreal is just a much more interesting city.
I'm also pretty sure you could find a place to rent PCs in montreal
p.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun

Id be down for either, but would vastly prefer ETS as montreal is just a much more interesting city.
I'm also pretty sure you could find a place to rent PCs in montreal
p.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun
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#48
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I would want to go to FITS over ETS, schedule-pending.

I would want to go to FITS over ETS, schedule-pending.
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#49
Tip of the Hats
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downpourp.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun

The community would not be this big and we wouldn't have these events if it weren't for us crazy folk trying to advance TF2. GXL took six months to make happen. I started writing code in April, immediately after Tip of the Hats 2014 concluded (and TotH alone was 3 months of full-time work). eXtine, Dashner, and TheFragile were planning logistics well before that. The only reason we secured Corsair as a sponsor is because I was at PAX Prime networking my ass off for this game (and because STAR_ and Jerma introduced me to some important people). A major reason we put that kind of effort in is because of potential long-term benefits to the game and our community.

[quote=downpour]p.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun[/quote]

The community would not be this big and we wouldn't have these events if it weren't for us crazy folk trying to advance TF2. GXL took six months to make happen. I started writing code in April, immediately after Tip of the Hats 2014 concluded (and TotH alone was 3 months of full-time work). eXtine, Dashner, and TheFragile were planning logistics well before that. The only reason we secured Corsair as a sponsor is because I was at PAX Prime networking my ass off for this game (and because STAR_ and Jerma introduced me to some important people). A major reason we put that kind of effort in is because of potential long-term benefits to the game and our community.
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#50
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Langedownpourp.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun
The community would not be this big and we wouldn't have these events if it weren't for us crazy folk trying to advance TF2. GXL took six months to make happen. I started writing code in April, immediately after Tip of the Hats 2014 concluded (and TotH alone was 3 months of full-time work). eXtine, Dashner, and TheFragile were planning logistics well before that. The only reason we secured Corsair as a sponsor is because I was at PAX Prime networking my ass off for this game (and because STAR_ and Jerma introduced me to some important people). A major reason we put that kind of effort in is because of potential long-term benefits to the game and our community.

Do you have any such ambitions for ETS?

[quote=Lange][quote=downpour]p.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun[/quote]

The community would not be this big and we wouldn't have these events if it weren't for us crazy folk trying to advance TF2. GXL took six months to make happen. I started writing code in April, immediately after Tip of the Hats 2014 concluded (and TotH alone was 3 months of full-time work). eXtine, Dashner, and TheFragile were planning logistics well before that. The only reason we secured Corsair as a sponsor is because I was at PAX Prime networking my ass off for this game (and because STAR_ and Jerma introduced me to some important people). A major reason we put that kind of effort in is because of potential long-term benefits to the game and our community.[/quote]

Do you have any such ambitions for ETS?
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#51
Tip of the Hats
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kaceDo you have any such ambitions for ETS?

If I were to participate in ETS/FITES production, my involvement would be more low-key than GXL. ETS/FITES would be done using tried and true methods, we likely wouldn't develop any new toys for it. We haven't yet learned how to fully utilize all the tools we have though, so there would still be room for us to improve in our execution and make ETS/FITES a better show than GXL.

[quote=kace]Do you have any such ambitions for ETS?[/quote]

If I were to participate in ETS/FITES production, my involvement would be more low-key than GXL. ETS/FITES would be done using tried and true methods, we likely wouldn't develop any new toys for it. We haven't yet learned how to fully utilize all the tools we have though, so there would still be room for us to improve in our execution and make ETS/FITES a better show than GXL.
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#52
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downpourp.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun

we get it you're not good enough for invite so you don't care about the growth of the game. relax.

[quote=downpour]
p.s. stop trying to "advance tf2 as an esport" and just be happy that the community is as big as it is after the game being out for 7 years, play to have fun[/quote]

we get it you're not good enough for invite so you don't care about the growth of the game. relax.
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#53
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lol

lol
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#54
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muh esbords

muh esbords
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#55
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tbh let's just stop playing in leagues and just pug

in fact, we don't need pugs when we already have public servers available, let's just play vanilla tf22 in those

tbh let's just stop playing in leagues and just pug

in fact, we don't need pugs when we already have public servers available, let's just play vanilla tf22 in those
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#56
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i feel like people grossly misinterpreted what i meant there, but i guess i worded it poorly.
i didn't mean don't try and make the game competitive, i mean don't expect the game to ever become a big esport, even with huge amounts of effort. theres no community that tries as hard as the TF2 community, except maybe SSBM, to become a recognizable esport. its amazing that we got corsair to sponsor the GXL tournament along with Zowie (who has helped out many times now), and while they might sponsor tournaments again, I'll be surprised if they ever contribute more than a few keyboards/mice/headsets (although those keyboards from GXL are pretty swag.)

Still, the amount of effort that people put into casting/production/promoting is pretty spectacular.

tl;dr - Trying to advance and promote the competitive aspects of TF2 is a great thing, but trying to "make it a bigger esport" is somewhat of a wasted effort.

also, @marmaduke
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3362176
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3392924

i feel like people grossly misinterpreted what i meant there, but i guess i worded it poorly.
i didn't mean don't try and make the game competitive, i mean don't expect the game to ever become a big esport, even with huge amounts of effort. theres no community that tries as hard as the TF2 community, except maybe SSBM, to become a recognizable esport. its amazing that we got corsair to sponsor the GXL tournament along with Zowie (who has helped out many times now), and while they might sponsor tournaments again, I'll be surprised if they ever contribute more than a few keyboards/mice/headsets (although those keyboards from GXL are pretty swag.)

Still, the amount of effort that people put into casting/production/promoting is pretty spectacular.

tl;dr - Trying to advance and promote the competitive aspects of TF2 is a great thing, but trying to "make it a bigger esport" is somewhat of a wasted effort.

also, @marmaduke
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3362176
http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&d=match&id=3392924
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#57
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It's not a wasted effort for those of us who can see how the growth of the competitive scene is continuing to increase. Yes, a lot of us realize that TF2 will never be a premier-tier game without developer support, but that doesn't prevent us from continuing to expand and moving closer to our maximum potential.

It's not a wasted effort for those of us who can see how the growth of the competitive scene is continuing to increase. Yes, a lot of us realize that TF2 will never be a premier-tier game without developer support, but that doesn't prevent us from continuing to expand and moving closer to our maximum potential.
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#58
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im sorry but in my opinion tf2 has already hit that

im sorry but in my opinion tf2 has already hit that
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#59
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And there are those of us in production that disagree after looking at the results of the past year. You're free to think otherwise, but we will put in the effort based on what we think we can accomplish.

And there are those of us in production that disagree after looking at the results of the past year. You're free to think otherwise, but we will put in the effort based on what we think we can accomplish.
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#60
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downpour, there's a lot more to this than you're able to see. There are always things happening in the backstage.

downpour, there's a lot more to this than you're able to see. There are always things happening in the backstage.
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