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ESEA's possible demise?
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#91
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I don't think you guys realize how dead this game will be once ESEA is dead.

I don't think you guys realize how dead this game will be once ESEA is dead.
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#92
4 Frags +

I never got to play a full season of esea and now I probably never will :'(

I never got to play a full season of esea and now I probably never will :'(
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#93
5 Frags +

all those nukes because of a frieza cosplay? lange pls.

all those nukes because of a frieza cosplay? lange pls.
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#94
11 Frags +

Ain't no cp_sunshine when she's gone....

Only darkness every day

Ain't no cp_sunshine when she's gone....

Only darkness every day
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#95
19 Frags +

Look at EU tf2 with no lan other than the i series... The game isn't dead for them. Nor will it die anytime soon.

As long as people enjoy playing tf2, the game won't die. If you really need a LAN that badly to save the game, get involved with CEVO and help make it happen in due time. They already understand that LAN is the dealbreaker for higher level players and will work on it, given enough community support.

You can't expect the masses of open players to keep throwing money away at ESEA for shitty service, a shitty client, and shitty servers just to give the practically untouchable teams at the top of the pyramid a fun time at ESEA LAN every season. Not gonna happen.

Some people actually like playing this game, so before your pants are completely filled with shit, calm your tits, this scene won't die that easily.

Look at EU tf2 with no lan other than the i series... The game isn't dead for them. Nor will it die anytime soon.

As long as people enjoy playing tf2, the game won't die. If you really need a LAN that badly to save the game, get involved with CEVO and help make it happen in due time. They already understand that LAN is the dealbreaker for higher level players and will work on it, given enough community support.

You can't expect the masses of open players to keep throwing money away at ESEA for shitty service, a shitty client, and shitty servers just to give the practically untouchable teams at the top of the pyramid a fun time at ESEA LAN every season. Not gonna happen.

Some people actually like playing this game, so before your pants are completely filled with shit, calm your tits, this scene won't die that easily.
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#96
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#97
-1 Frags +

Wow both games I got into competitively will die. BFME2 died 4 years ago and now tf2? Just my luck.

Wow both games I got into competitively will die. BFME2 died 4 years ago and now tf2? Just my luck.
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#98
14 Frags +

It'd be a real shame to have a successful, competitive league drop our game. You can say this and that about ESEA, but in the end it has provided a healthy, successful, highly competitive environment for our game for years.

Pretty disappointing to have played this game for a long while and moved up through the divs to reach invite like so many others, to then have the opportunity taken away.

If there is no invite level division to compete in this season, I won't compete. All those old dudes who have been fraggin each other at lan for years aren't gonna compete if there is no lan. And dudes like serv0, fuuzion, cozen, the twins, and many others who have quickly moved up divs one season after another. Like damn, good talent gone to waste.

This game is small. We all know that losing one invite team hurts. And when you start losing people in front of you and those behind you fall off, there isn't a whole lotta fight left. I don't see cevo creating the level of competition needed to keep the fight alive.

It'd be a real shame to have a successful, competitive league drop our game. You can say this and that about ESEA, but in the end it has provided a healthy, successful, highly competitive environment for our game for years.

Pretty disappointing to have played this game for a long while and moved up through the divs to reach invite like so many others, to then have the opportunity taken away.

If there is no invite level division to compete in this season, I won't compete. All those old dudes who have been fraggin each other at lan for years aren't gonna compete if there is no lan. And dudes like serv0, fuuzion, cozen, the twins, and many others who have quickly moved up divs one season after another. Like damn, good talent gone to waste.

This game is small. We all know that losing one invite team hurts. And when you start losing people in front of you and those behind you fall off, there isn't a whole lotta fight left. I don't see cevo creating the level of competition needed to keep the fight alive.
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#99
20 Frags +

I read the entire first post and thoroughly skimmed everything else, but here's my two cents:

1) ESEA's higher divisions have never looked stronger than right now. Open is empty.
2) CEVO's initially registered teams and a majority of the currently 91 rosters are new players.

From my opinion as a relatively new player in this community, there is a large focus on the upper levels of competition. LAN, Invite players, high prize pools. While inviters and seasoned LAN players have most definitely paid their dues and worked their way up, that doesn't necessarily mean they deserve all the focus. The reason for ESEA's "impending death" is lack of support from the bottom. Yet, have any of you actually taken the time to talk to these people? Do you see any of them on these forums?

As London has said before, going insane with speculation and "begging" for open teams to sign up is ineffective-- especially when it's on these forums where new players either 1) don't go, or 2) are too intimidated to post in. You ask "why would anyone choose CEVO over ESEA" and beyond the circularness of this question, ask yourself what the reasoning behind their actions are. What are open teams looking for? What experience does playing in ESEA offer them beyond a $35 fee and 2 matches a week? You expect these people to join a league based on the premise that it's "the most competitive" and has the longest legacy. Again, how is that supposed to appeal to open teams?

I've added and talked to over 20 new leaders from cevo open teams in the past two days, trying to ensure that they are feeling welcome and up to date with everything going on, since CEVO is in its early stages and has a lot to be figured out right now. I can identify with them, because last season I was one of them. They're not looking at invite rosters and seeing how teams have rearranged themselves. They're wondering how scheduling works, what a whitelist is, and how to find scrims. That's why I created the Town Hall group, and that's why I plan on creating a group just for Open teams to have a place to actually know each other and talk rather than losing a few matches, getting discouraged and disbanding. There has to be a good experience when you start beyond just playing 2 matches a week. If you can show open teams a good time and something worth working towards, then they're more likely to stick it out through losses and try to stay together. That's how you get them to commit, and make them aspire to be like you someday. IM, Main, Invite, whatever.

But nowadays there's so much focus and attention around the upper levels of the community, it barely feels inviting to newcomers at all. How can we expect to sustain a competitive scene if we let the top 5% dominate without working to bring in and keep new players? That's why I volunteered to help staff CEVO. Because I love this freakin game. And again, I WANTED TO PLAY IN ESEA. (Seriously though, do I get my $45 back cos I already paid for three people... different issue.) But if ESEA is no longer viable, then I am willing to work as hard as I can to ensure that competitive 6s will continue. We all should, whether that means playing in ESEA or in CEVO.

I said in another thread, CEVO's got at least 65 teams now with committed payments. If you really expect all these open teams to suddenly up and pay another 6x35 = $210 to register in ESEA because you're begging them to on a forum they don't go to-- I wouldn't hold your breath. But rather, if you're the seasoned veteran who loves tf2 and wants to support competitive, why beg them to pay more when they barely have started the experience so that YOU can benefit? Yes, CEVO won't be perfect this season but ESEA was once open and invite too. The more teams that sign up now, the better chance you have of skipping a step and being placed in main, and the stronger S5 will be in the summer. I have nothing against ESEA. I'm not a total fan of CEVO. I'm an advocate for whatever supports competitive tf2 6s the most. And right now, that is CEVO. So if you love this game, wake up and be honest with yourselves and your teams about your options.

CEVO Registration closes at 11:59pm on Monday, February 17. Existing rosters will have an extra few days grace period to get 6 players paid and readied up if not "ready" by the deadline. CEVO players, please join the CEVO Town Hall group for further announcements and updates.

Good luck to all teams in their endeavors, hope to see you this season.

I read the entire first post and thoroughly skimmed everything else, but here's my two cents:

1) ESEA's higher divisions have never looked stronger than right now. Open is empty.
2) CEVO's initially registered teams and a majority of the currently 91 rosters are new players.

From my opinion as a relatively new player in this community, there is a large focus on the upper levels of competition. LAN, Invite players, high prize pools. While inviters and seasoned LAN players have most definitely paid their dues and worked their way up, that doesn't necessarily mean they deserve all the focus. The reason for ESEA's "impending death" is lack of support from the bottom. Yet, [b]have any of you actually taken the time to talk to these people? Do you see any of them on these forums?[/b]

As London has said before, going insane with speculation and "begging" for open teams to sign up is ineffective-- especially when it's on these forums where new players either 1) don't go, or 2) are too intimidated to post in. You ask "why would anyone choose CEVO over ESEA" and beyond the circularness of this question, ask yourself what the reasoning behind their actions are. What are open teams looking for? What experience does playing in ESEA offer them beyond a $35 fee and 2 matches a week? You expect these people to join a league based on the premise that it's "the most competitive" and has the longest legacy. Again, how is that supposed to appeal to open teams?

I've added and talked to over 20 new leaders from cevo open teams in the past two days, trying to ensure that they are feeling welcome and up to date with everything going on, since CEVO is in its early stages and has a lot to be figured out right now. I can identify with them, because last season [b]I was one of them[/b]. They're not looking at invite rosters and seeing how teams have rearranged themselves. They're wondering how scheduling works, what a whitelist is, and how to find scrims. That's why I created the Town Hall group, and that's why I plan on creating a group just for Open teams to have a place to actually know each other and talk rather than losing a few matches, getting discouraged and disbanding. There has to be a good experience when you start beyond just playing 2 matches a week. If you can show open teams a good time and something worth working towards, then they're more likely to stick it out through losses and try to stay together. That's how you get them to commit, and make them aspire to be like you someday. IM, Main, Invite, whatever.

But nowadays there's so much focus and attention around the upper levels of the community, it barely feels inviting to newcomers at all. How can we expect to sustain a competitive scene if we let the top 5% dominate without working to bring in and keep new players? That's why I volunteered to help staff CEVO. [b]Because I love this freakin game.[/b] And again, I WANTED TO PLAY IN ESEA. (Seriously though, do I get my $45 back cos I already paid for three people... different issue.) But if ESEA is no longer viable, then I am willing to work as hard as I can to ensure that competitive 6s will continue. We all should, whether that means playing in ESEA or in CEVO.

I said in another thread, CEVO's got at least 65 teams now with committed payments. [b]If you really expect all these open teams to suddenly up and pay another 6x35 = $210 to register in ESEA because you're begging them to on a forum they don't go to-- I wouldn't hold your breath.[/b] But rather, if you're the seasoned veteran who loves tf2 and wants to support competitive, why beg them to pay more when they barely have started the experience so that YOU can benefit? Yes, CEVO won't be perfect this season but ESEA was once open and invite too. The more teams that sign up now, the better chance you have of skipping a step and being placed in main, and the stronger S5 will be in the summer. I have nothing against ESEA. I'm not a total fan of CEVO. [b]I'm an advocate for whatever supports competitive tf2 6s the most.[/b] And right now, that is CEVO. So if you love this game, wake up and be honest with yourselves and your teams about your options.

CEVO Registration closes at 11:59pm on Monday, February 17. Existing rosters will have an extra few days grace period to get 6 players paid and readied up if not "ready" by the deadline. CEVO players, please join the [url=http://steamcommunity.com/groups/CEVOtf2TownHall]CEVO Town Hall[/url] group for further announcements and updates.

Good luck to all teams in their endeavors, hope to see you this season.
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#100
-11 Frags +

blendtec hit the issue pretty well on the head, most low level players will read forums like these and just soak up opinions on 'FUCK ESEA' and other crap, and then they refuse to play in the league, but the rest of us who could play in any league are forced into CEVO because of 1-2 people on the team who refuse to play esea.

I'd rather not see ESEA die, as alot of high level players will leave with it, but we're hitting around the time when most high level players are getting old and are ready to move on, and will without any incentive (LAN/Prize Money) to stick around.

blendtec hit the issue pretty well on the head, most low level players will read forums like these and just soak up opinions on 'FUCK ESEA' and other crap, and then they refuse to play in the league, but the rest of us who could play in any league are forced into CEVO because of 1-2 people on the team who refuse to play esea.

I'd rather not see ESEA die, as alot of high level players will leave with it, but we're hitting around the time when most high level players are getting old and are ready to move on, and will without any incentive (LAN/Prize Money) to stick around.
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#101
-11 Frags +
blinKleakyI would post but it seems like everything I want to say has already been said.
Play ESEA.

Say it in your own words. It's important even if it's already been said.

Okay, in my own words then.
Without a LAN and something to work towards, this game will die. People have been saying this forever and with good reasoning because its true, if you want to just play the game, and you dont care about supportng a LAN, then don't play competitive, thats with ANY e-Sport, play pugs or pubs. ESEA has had 15 successful seasons and season 16 is going to be the most exciting season thus far. Sure, you could say there have been a few bumps in the road but they have been all flattened out and taken care of. Problems come with ANY league, if you think CEVO will be different you are mistaken. You could say the whole " If you don't support it like everyone else ofcourse it won't work", but that argument can go both ways, and just supports bandwagoning. In the end, after all the bickering, if the entire community won't choose one or the other to commit to, there will be a huge divide in the community and this game will slowly die. Realistically, people do NOT have time to play both leagues, so why should we switch leagues in the first place if there is nothing wrong with what we already have. It would just further divide the community.

[quote=blinK][quote=leaky]I would post but it seems like everything I want to say has already been said.
Play ESEA.[/quote]

Say it in your own words. It's important even if it's already been said.[/quote]

Okay, in my own words then.
Without a LAN and something to work towards, this game will die. People have been saying this forever and with good reasoning because its true, if you want to just play the game, and you dont care about supportng a LAN, then don't play competitive, thats with ANY e-Sport, play pugs or pubs. ESEA has had 15 successful seasons and season 16 is going to be the most exciting season thus far. Sure, you could say there have been a few bumps in the road but they have been all flattened out and taken care of. Problems come with ANY league, if you think CEVO will be different you are mistaken. You could say the whole " If you don't support it like everyone else ofcourse it won't work", but that argument can go both ways, and just supports bandwagoning. In the end, after all the bickering, if the entire community won't choose one or the other to commit to, there will be a huge divide in the community and this game will slowly die. Realistically, people do NOT have time to play both leagues, so why should we switch leagues in the first place if there is nothing wrong with what we already have. It would just further divide the community.
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#102
11 Frags +

when ruwin and fragile came back into invite, too
fuckkkkk

when ruwin and fragile came back into invite, too
fuckkkkk
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#103
17 Frags +

This is stupid. What ESEA did with the malware client is stupid and shouldnt be forgiven. If you so damn well need a lan then go arrange yourself and talk to the different people that do arrange lans. I imagine its quite a few LANS in america. Find one that will support an 8 team tournament or whatever and let the community attend as it wants.

Thats how its been done in europe I dont see why it couldnt be done in america.

This is stupid. What ESEA did with the malware client is stupid and shouldnt be forgiven. If you so damn well need a lan then go arrange yourself and talk to the different people that do arrange lans. I imagine its quite a few LANS in america. Find one that will support an 8 team tournament or whatever and let the community attend as it wants.

Thats how its been done in europe I dont see why it couldnt be done in america.
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#104
0 Frags +
leaky season 16 is going to be the most exciting season thus far

uh

[quote=leaky] season 16 is going to be the most exciting season thus far[/quote]
uh
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#105
12 Frags +

To add on to what my teammates said. It just sucks to work hard over the last two seasons to move up and then have your goal taken away. Even though cevo-main might have some of the same teams as esea-invite its still not the same thing at all in my mind. If esea dies the only interest I have in competitive tf2 is offclassing in open.

To add on to what my teammates said. It just sucks to work hard over the last two seasons to move up and then have your goal taken away. Even though cevo-main might have some of the same teams as esea-invite its still not the same thing at all in my mind. If esea dies the only interest I have in competitive tf2 is offclassing in open.
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#106
-18 Frags +
CaspianIf esea dies the only interest I have in competitive tf2 is offclassing in open.

yeah if esea dies im sniping 24/7 in this game

[quote=Caspian]If esea dies the only interest I have in competitive tf2 is offclassing in open.[/quote]

yeah if esea dies im sniping 24/7 in this game
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#107
-8 Frags +
money_bLook at EU tf2 with no lan other than the i series... The game isn't dead for them. Nor will it die anytime soon.

As long as people enjoy playing tf2, the game won't die. If you really need a LAN that badly to save the game, get involved with CEVO and help make it happen in due time. They already understand that LAN is the dealbreaker for higher level players and will work on it, given enough community support.

You can't expect the masses of open players to keep throwing money away at ESEA for shitty service, a shitty client, and shitty servers just to give the practically untouchable teams at the top of the pyramid a fun time at ESEA LAN every season. Not gonna happen.

Some people actually like playing this game, so before your pants are completely filled with shit, calm your tits, this scene won't die that easily.

They have the I-Series.

We don't.

I like CEVO, or rather I like the idea of CEVO, but right now it does not offer half of what ESEA does. If you have a CEVO team, please sign up for ESEA as well. Nobody is saying CEVO sucks, but until they actually have a LAN and different levels of play, it just isnt up to being a truly top tier league. If we let ESEA drop TF2, we are literally watching comp TF2 dying.

[quote=money_b]Look at EU tf2 with no lan other than the i series... The game isn't dead for them. Nor will it die anytime soon.

As long as people enjoy playing tf2, the game won't die. If you really need a LAN that badly to save the game, get involved with CEVO and help make it happen in due time. They already understand that LAN is the dealbreaker for higher level players and will work on it, given enough community support.

You can't expect the masses of open players to keep throwing money away at ESEA for shitty service, a shitty client, and shitty servers just to give the practically untouchable teams at the top of the pyramid a fun time at ESEA LAN every season. Not gonna happen.

Some people actually like playing this game, so before your pants are completely filled with shit, calm your tits, this scene won't die that easily.[/quote]
They have the I-Series.

We don't.

I like CEVO, or rather I like the idea of CEVO, but right now it does not offer half of what ESEA does. If you have a CEVO team, please sign up for ESEA as well. Nobody is saying CEVO sucks, but until they actually have a LAN and different levels of play, it just isnt up to being a truly top tier league. If we let ESEA drop TF2, we are literally watching comp TF2 dying.
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#108
1 Frags +

If ESEA dies, high level tf2 dies. It might recover if CEVO has a LAN next season, which is highly unlikely.

If ESEA dies, high level tf2 dies. It [i]might[/i] recover if CEVO has a LAN next season, which is highly unlikely.
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#109
1 Frags +

Can we also talk about the fact that HALF of CEVO's prize pot was DONATED by a normal user? Is that sustainable? Will someone donate a thousand dollars out of their own pocket every season?

Can we also talk about the fact that HALF of CEVO's prize pot was DONATED by a normal user? Is that sustainable? Will someone donate a thousand dollars out of their own pocket every season?
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#110
-4 Frags +

Don't understand why the invite players won't support CEVO. They have shown that they have the potential of getting and organizing a LAN, but without support from top players I don't really see it coming to fruition.

The way I see it is that CEVO is willing to cater and take care of their new players, while ESEA is not and does not have any intention of caring about their new players. ESEA is a fucking dumpster if you aren't invite. Invite seems to be above the rules because I can recall several occasions where teams were forced to forfeit win because they could only field 4 players on a night and couldn't reschedule to a Monday, however I have seen invite teams postpone their matches for WEEKS.

ESEA: Open is getting ddos'd and has no stv, well if they were invite maybe we would care.

Don't understand why the invite players won't support CEVO. They have shown that they have the potential of getting and organizing a LAN, but without support from top players I don't really see it coming to fruition.

The way I see it is that CEVO is willing to cater and take care of their new players, while ESEA is not and does not have any intention of caring about their new players. ESEA is a fucking dumpster if you aren't invite. Invite seems to be above the rules because I can recall several occasions where teams were forced to forfeit win because they could only field 4 players on a night and couldn't reschedule to a Monday, however I have seen invite teams postpone their matches for WEEKS.

ESEA: Open is getting ddos'd and has no stv, well if they were invite maybe we would care.
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#111
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#112
3 Frags +

food for thought

[url=https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=tf2%20esea%2Ctf2%20cevo]food for thought[/url]
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#113
3 Frags +
spaceghostpurrpCan we also talk about the fact that HALF of CEVO's prize pot was DONATED by a normal user? Is that sustainable? Will someone donate a thousand dollars out of their own pocket every season?

all league fees from S4 will be going towards S5's prize pot. with a conservative estimate of 60 teams x min 6 players x $15 = $5400. And that's a very conservative estimate.

[quote=spaceghostpurrp]Can we also talk about the fact that HALF of CEVO's prize pot was DONATED by a normal user? Is that sustainable? Will someone donate a thousand dollars out of their own pocket every season?[/quote]

all league fees from S4 will be going towards S5's prize pot. with a conservative estimate of 60 teams x min 6 players x $15 = $5400. And that's a very conservative estimate.
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#114
12 Frags +

If esea dies high level competition will die with it. I see people saying stuff about only mixup saying they will stop playing or whatever, but it's more than that. Even if teams don't quit they sure as shit won't be trying as hard as they would in esea. I for sure know that without the incentive to go to lan and compete with the best then I won't be giving my all, which will eventually lead to me stopping playing this game far sooner than I would like.

Yeah there's the possibility that cevo could get a lan or something in a few seasons but what's to happen in the 3 seasons prior to that? People aren't going to keep competing at the top level for a few seasons in hope that they might get a lan in a few seasons. Without there being a top level and a lan to strive towards the foundation will crumble.

I think it was a big mistake having cevo do 2 matches per week. Teams need to play in both leagues for now, and that is out of the question for many with cevo having 2 matches a week; 1 is more reasonable for that.

If esea dies high level competition will die with it. I see people saying stuff about only mixup saying they will stop playing or whatever, but it's more than that. Even if teams don't quit they sure as shit won't be trying as hard as they would in esea. I for sure know that without the incentive to go to lan and compete with the best then I won't be giving my all, which will eventually lead to me stopping playing this game far sooner than I would like.

Yeah there's the possibility that cevo could get a lan or something in a few seasons but what's to happen in the 3 seasons prior to that? People aren't going to keep competing at the top level for a few seasons in hope that they might get a lan in a few seasons. Without there being a top level and a lan to strive towards the foundation will crumble.

I think it was a big mistake having cevo do 2 matches per week. Teams need to play in both leagues for now, and that is out of the question for many with cevo having 2 matches a week; 1 is more reasonable for that.
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#115
15 Frags +

honestly new comp players are pretty clueless, a brief history lesson for all you new players

TWL = dead
Cal = dead
Cevo = died, came back, died, came back, rinse repeat. when everyone was more tuned into esea during the the little cevo stint in the CS days eventually cevo just gave up because no one gave a shit and was so focused on one league (ESEA)

UGC is always gonna be going since the highlander community is massive
ESEA has been around for a while now ever since counter-strike, and its been going strong with TF2. despite all the retarded things that ESEA has done its still the premier league for NA FPS games I.E CS,TF2

there are zero guarantees that cevo will be around for a long time, real life happens...admins and/or people that currently support the revival of this on again off again league aren't gonna be around forever. cevo has always been extremely inconsistent with its survivability in comparison to other leagues, these aren't negative connotations...don't let my points rub you the wrong way. anyone who has played CS or any other FPS game in different leagues will tell you the exact same thing

honestly new comp players are pretty clueless, a brief history lesson for all you new players

TWL = dead
Cal = dead
Cevo = died, came back, died, came back, rinse repeat. when everyone was more tuned into esea during the the little cevo stint in the CS days eventually cevo just gave up because no one gave a shit and was so focused on one league (ESEA)

UGC is always gonna be going since the highlander community is massive
ESEA has been around for a while now ever since counter-strike, and its been going strong with TF2. despite all the retarded things that ESEA has done its still the premier league for NA FPS games I.E CS,TF2

there are zero guarantees that cevo will be around for a long time, real life happens...admins and/or people that currently support the revival of this on again off again league aren't gonna be around forever. cevo has always been extremely inconsistent with its survivability in comparison to other leagues, these aren't negative connotations...don't let my points rub you the wrong way. anyone who has played CS or any other FPS game in different leagues will tell you the exact same thing
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#116
6 Frags +

Goodbye TF2, 2007-2014, CEVOpocolypse.

Goodbye TF2, 2007-2014, CEVOpocolypse.
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#117
-3 Frags +
hoolifood for thought

yeah dude I actively search for dead leagues for my game all the time

[quote=hooli][url=https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=tf2%20esea%2Ctf2%20cevo]food for thought[/url][/quote]
yeah dude I actively search for dead leagues for my game all the time
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#118
7 Frags +

Isn't this whole thing ESEA's fault to begin with? And now the game is dead if we don't support ESEA?

I feel really weird right now.....

Like who should I be mad at? The people supporting CEVO and not ESEA....or I should still be mad at ESEA for fucking up the whole thing? Or should I be mad at all the people willing to leave the game so easily?

Isn't this whole thing ESEA's fault to begin with? And now the game is dead if we don't support ESEA?

I feel really weird right now.....

Like who should I be mad at? The people supporting CEVO and not ESEA....or I should still be mad at ESEA for fucking up the whole thing? Or should I be mad at all the people willing to leave the game so easily?
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#119
8 Frags +
hoolifood for thought

Even more food for thought

[quote=hooli][url=https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=tf2%20esea%2Ctf2%20cevo]food for thought[/url][/quote]
[url=https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=tf2%20esea%2C%20tf2%20cevo%2C%20tf2%20ugc&cmpt=q]Even more food for thought[/url]
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#120
-3 Frags +

If Open teams weren't so dominated by people who are condescending others, and the fact that most people are very closed minded creates this massive gap in regards to open and future teams. There won't be more teams unless the community is more open to give everyone a chance. Tbh, there's a massive amount of LFT's and I know for the most part, people are pretty frustrated because there's a wall that separates most people that deserve an opportunity to improve and grow. (Also explains why some of those people end up making teams).

Just my 2 cents.

If Open teams weren't so dominated by people who are condescending others, and the fact that most people are very closed minded creates this massive gap in regards to open and future teams. There won't be more teams unless the community is more open to give everyone a chance. Tbh, there's a massive amount of LFT's and I know for the most part, people are pretty frustrated because there's a wall that separates most people that deserve an opportunity to improve and grow. (Also explains why some of those people end up making teams).

Just my 2 cents.
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