-protook mustard you've hit ur post quota for this thread, time to find a new one!!
I will stop posting when the idiots stop being idiots
aka as soon as either I or the other people in this thread die
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-protook mustard you've hit ur post quota for this thread, time to find a new one!!
I will stop posting when the idiots stop being idiots
aka as soon as either I or the other people in this thread die
sheepy_dogs_handharvestyou LITERALLY just said white people should be judged better and treated better, then asked why you're being called a racist what the fuck
Sorry but i never said whites should be judged better or treated better. i said that whites have accomplished more which is a fact. I never anything about treated people differently. Try calming down and read things slowly next time.
too bad white people didn't invent civilization or agriculture or writing or mathematics or philosophy or science or religion then
I guess we should judge middle easterners as the best because they were the first to accomplish many of these things
oh wait, they're all muslim savages now, right sheepy???
We have discovered what happens when you take a deeply autistic child from his parents at a very young age and raise him in a klan compound
sheepy_dogs_handI'm proud of being white but how does that make me racist. Racism is disliking other races not being proud of your own.
"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."
"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."
"If you are born superior in certain aspects then you should still be proud of it."
P.S. people are prolly also -fragging you for the retarded second half of your post where you made it clear that you didn't read a single thing in this thread and have no idea what you're talking about
Nub_DanishmustardoverlordI mean he doesn't seem to have a problem with your opinion that people with gender identity issues need gender reassignment to help them. He's just stating from what he's seen it is treatable without gender reassignment. You seem to be more intolerant of him having this viewpoint, than he is of yours. This issue from what I've read the correct answer has not yet been determined and research is on going. Maybe if the research had been finished and a consensus reached by scientists as to what is correct you'd be justified in your aggressive shittalking of people with different opinions, but it's not so you are the bigot here tbh famNub_DanishmustardoverlordThe problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham themdollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.
The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence
I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant
Your reading comprehension skills are remarkably subpar given how confident you sound. I never said people with gender identity issues need "gender reassignment". Incidentally, there is no such thing as "gender reassignment", it's sexual reassignment because it changes someone's sex via surgery to match the gender they have in their head. In any case, as I already said in a previous post, many transgender people do not get SRS and choose to live pre-op for their entire lives. What hooli is saying is not that SRS is unnecessary, but that gender dysphoria can be "cured", via medication, to make people feel "male" or "female" again, because it's just a disorder like body dysmorphia is. This is utter nonsense and, as has been pointed out many times, the APA no longer subscribes to this view (even though they are historically very slow to change their mind on issues for far too long- see: homosexuality).
In the area I am talking about, the consensus HAS been reached.
Please stop acting so overconfident on issues you know absolutely nothing about.
showstopper, true to his name, has stopped the show.
dollarlayermustardoverlordMaybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???
If its not a disorder then why is it being treated with an antipsychotic drug often used to treat other delusional and paranoia disorders? Please look up Pimozide.
I tried to search up to see if pimozide was actually being used to treat gender dysphoria by ANYONE, even the most skeptical of doctors who literally believe transgender people are equivalent to schizophrenics, and I found only three things
1) that same 1996 article, conducted on ONE person, with no hint at any replicability
2) people on r/asktransgender making fun of said article
3) people on a catholic forum supporting said article
I don't think anyone in the world actually treats gender dysphoria with this particular medication, because doing so is loony
Nub_DanishmustardoverlordThe problem with arguing with you regressive lefties is whenever someone disagrees with you, you throw out the bigot card and sham themdollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.
The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
an ad hominem attack is only ad hominem if the insult takes the place of actual evidence
I gave evidence, and then used it to insult someone who was ignorant
AvasthooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
I think people are just downfragging hooli without actually taking the time to read his things or understand what he's saying.
His findings are not stating that gender dysphoria isn't real or that transgender people can't get reassignment surgery and live happy lives. It's simply stating that they often still have emotional issues after the fact that can be helped with pharmaceuticals.
That article is scientifically sound as it has received a high impact factor from reputable scientifically journal reviewers http://www.scimagojr.com/journalsearch.php?q=10600153309&tip=sid&clean=0
You are mistaken- this is what the articles are saying, but not what hooli is saying. hooli is misinterpreting the articles in an attempt to prove that gender dysphoria can be 'treated' such that people go back to being fine with their gender assigned at birth, just like anorexia or something
dollarlayersaturn_dollarlayer"gender identity disorder" was reclassified as gender dysphoria under the DSM-V, just as an fyi.harvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.
The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
It really doesn't matter what one organization reclassifies something as. GID is still a widely used and accepted term in the medical community. You can reclassify anything and say an apple is now a banana. But the fact still remains that it is still a widely accepted and used term, and a disorder is a treatable mental condition.
Look at hoolis above post for one way of treating the issue. I believe that drug was mentioned in the article that I read a couple weeks ago.
Maybe the reason it's being reclassified is that it's not a disorder? Did you ever consider that???
hooliPersons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
1. Persons with transsexualism before sex reassignment have higher risks for all of those things too.
2. "Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism"
You just proved my point, which is that gender dysphoria in and of itself is not responsible for the increased risks of depression, suicidal behavior, and mortality.
3. This study is only calling for continual treatment to deal with the depression and suicidal thoughts of the patient group, not to reverse the SRS, at least as far as I can tell.
hooliOUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
This is a single article from 1996, on ONE patient, with no hint as to whether or not the findings are replicable (most positive findings are not), and even then it suggests that pharmacotherapy works in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria- as in, if the person is wrong
dollarlayerharvestwhere those credible sources at tho
Literally just google Gender Identity disorder. Last I checked a disorder refers to a treatable mental illness.
The actual source I was talking about which talked about it being closely related to anorexic people I can not locate. I randomly stumbled upon it a couple weeks ago and didn't bookmark it. If I find it I will post it.
too bad the APA website, which I already linked, seems to agree that you're an ignorant bigot
hoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselvesOf course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.
dollarlayerhoolifatswimdudei hope youre not trying to say that gender dysphoria isnt real because a few people misdiagnosed themselvesOf course it's real but it is a treatable condition that doesn't have to involve hormones and sex reassignment surgery which can actually make the condition worse and can potential lead to suicide.
I agree. Many physiologists have already concluded that gender identity problems are psychological problems that are treatable through physiological help. They fall into the same category as anorexic people that still feel that they are fat but are actually dangerously thin.
you are both so painfully wrong that it hurts, and in 20 years people like you will seem as laughable as those who still believe in gay conversion therapy
for the record:
http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx
hoolihttp://www.sexchangeregret.com/
1. not nearly every trans person gets sexual reassignment surgery so this isn't universal in that regard
2. you cannot divorce the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they were actually wrong about what they wanted their genitalia to be from the percentage of people who feel 'regret' because they've been taught their whole lives that they're wrong for wanting to be a different gender and have been depressed and self-loathing for years before their surgery
3. example of the above: http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2015/11/02/firsthand-account-torture-conversion-therapy
4. there are also many people who claim to be "ex-gay" because they've also had bullshit crises of conscience due to their upbringings/societal pressure, I fail to see the distinction
Nub_DanishThere's nothing wrong with identifying as a different gender, but as with race and height the gender you were born with is what you factually are no matter what you do nothing will change this. How would you feel as a woman who spent her entire life training for the Olympics only to have a portion of the top male athletes decide they identify as female and then lose your chances because the men are genetically predisposed to be stronger and faster than you? While bathrooms for different genders exist no people who are not of that gender should not be able to enter, but I don't believe we are ready to have gender neutral bathroom/locker rooms so I guess this small percentage of people will have to suffer through pissing in the women's bathroom when they have a dick now. Although this isn't really a problem for people who look the gender they identify as there are no bathroom police checking your gender so you can go where you please.
side-note: those kids are idiots who have been taught that facts don't matter all that matters is what you believe...
you are using one term, gender, to describe two different things, gender and sex