Both sides of the gun debate are wrong and here is the reason why.

Both sides, Pro-Gun and Anti-Gun, take EVERYTHING the other side says to the absolute extreme. 99% of the time it is a totally unrealistic situation and that is exactly why they cannot find common ground for the real issues.

Guns are not to blame for these shootings. Crazy is to blame for these mass shootings. In my opinion, the only way to combat these crazy shooters is to have responsible trained gun owners around who are armed and prepared to respond in defense of their life. Agree with it or not, this is how I live my life and if a situation like this happen near me, I may or may not die but I will respond in kind.

Over and over these "mass shooters" run around in a turkey shoot, killing everyone they see because they already know the chances of one of them being armed is low. If ordinary people started dropping these shooters, I believe, a lot of copy-cat shooters will think twice about doing this stuff. Will it stop them all, No, but maybe a few.

Discussions about Gun Control and this incident are useless. He obtained both guns he had 100% legally. My major problem is that he was on the FBI watch list and apparently had "2 investigations" opened on him in the past. That ALONE should have made him unable to legally purchase guns in this country. That said, you can't stop Crazy. If he did not get the guns legally, he would find some other avenue to purchase them.

I am 1000% Pro-Gun and hate all these attacks on legit gun owners. Changes need to be made in some respects and if you want to talk about "Gun Control" go after the people who raise red flags just like this guy. If you are on a government watch list for mostly anything, every gun shop in the country should deny your purchase after a background check. PERIOD. The "gunshow loophole" should also be dealt with as well because it is completely idiotic to allow people to purchase guns in that fashion.

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For sure, it could be either Cog design as well or at least something close. It still puts the time frame way beyond Ancient shipmaking like the Romans, Greek, Etc. I have to feel that a large amount of ships can be constructed in this fashion in a short amount of time for transport only, and not for conbat.

I die a little more every time the pens win. I am not sure if I am emotionally stable enough to watch them lift another cup before the Flyers. Lets pick up the pace San Jose

Never heard of this type of person before.

There is literally never a good excuse or good reason to willingly play on a team with a known cheater......unless you simply don't give a fuck either way. If that is the case stop making excuses and just tell everyone you don't give a fuck. It would end this conversation quickly.

So because I am a warfare history buff I decided to take a much closer look at this ship conversation. After doing some research I think we are all in error, especially when talking about the types of ships being shown on TV and relating them to human history time periods. There is no way any of the ships in GoT are Persian, Roman, Greek or anything of that time period.

From the TV appearances, I see 2 distinct types of ships and they are both visible in this photo side by side. That photo is from the Backwater Battle at Kings Landing before the fire was ignited. As you can see, there is 1 larger ship that sits higher in the water on the right side. It is flanked by smaller ships on either side. You can also see construction of both ships is very different and for good reason. One ship is a Warship/Transport Vessel design (right) and the other is more of a Merchant Ship design for carrying cargo/troops (left).

The ship design makes another appearance when Price Oberyn from Dorme sails into Kings Landing. Here is his Ship

Yet another example of this design is Jon Snow’s fleet at the retreat from Hardhome. Ships Seen Here

The last example is the fleet we are talking about specifically. The Iron Fleet seen here. You can clearly see the same exact ship design on the 4 ships closest on the left but as you look further out, it is difficult to see exact designs and there may be smaller ships in that flotilla.

These ships in GoT are almost exact replicas of the Caravel or possibly Carrack type ships from our past.

This puts them in or around the 15th century. I have not seen any ships powered by oarsman on GoT so the ships used are not “Galleys” by definition. That I believe explains the larger Warship/Transport.

The Smaller ships are very similar to Knarr Vessels which are old Viking Merchant Ships. I do not believe it would be possible to “quickly build” 1000 of the Caravel ships but it may be very possible to simply build merchant transports of the Knarr type to ferry large amounts of cargo.

In the most recent episode, if you watch the director talk about what happens, he specifically mentions the Ironborn as being of Viking Inspiration. This makes perfect sense when you look at both types of ships being used. The Knarr and Caravel ships are built from Viking Shipbuilding techniques so it all does connect.

Can we also completely remove Freight from the rotation?

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During that battle the Ionian Rebels had their own ships. Perhaps some were made along that coast for the fleet but not the bulk of the battle fleet. You may need to consult a historical map but the "Persian Empire" of this time period used the Persian Gulf area to expand East, not West.

The Persians controlled all of the coastline from beyond Armenia (current day Georgia and Russia) down to Egypt at the top of Africa. If you look at the map you understand what an incredible amount of coastline that includes. Getting 1000 ships from that vast stretch of coastline was easily possible and they had over 1200 for the battle.

In either case, I doubt we will see any naval action on GoT. Without gunpowder, Naval engagements boiled down to positioning based on the wind and geography. Setting up ramming attacks on enemy ships and boarding parties to kill the enemy. Perhaps that could be enjoyable on GoT in some sense but I doubt it will happen.

One of the main reasons 1000 ships is kinda crazy when you compare to actual human history is size. From what I understand, the ironborn do not have incredibly large amounts of land under their control.

The Persian fleet you mention was full of ships ordered to that location from all over the empire and the Persian empire was incredibly vast. The same can be said about the Romans as they gained land and resources.

The Spanish Armada was full of huge ships that were more geared towards combat then anything else. It was and always will be faster and cheater to build ships that are just for carrying cargo/troops. I am not sure about Naval combat in GoT but there is no gunpowder for cannons so you can't really compare it to the era of the Spanish Armada. Probably the best comparison would be to Late Greek and Early Roman shipbuilding if they had advanced metalworking

Basically, if you just want to build transport vessels and have an entire population behind you, it is feasible to build a crazy amount of ships in a short time. 1000 ships is a little out of control but who knows.