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Lenovo 1440p 240Hz 0.5ms GtG monitor
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIHRRTj7wuU

Lenovo Legion Y27gq

LenovoThe Lenovo Legion Y27gq is an ultrapowerful monitor that elevates your gaming experience. This monitor is designed to dominate with an impeccable blend of 240Hz refresh rate, 0.5ms response time, and the latest NVIDIA®️ G-SyncTM HDR technology. This 27-inch gaming monitor with its NearEdgeless QHD display and detachable Harman Kardon certified speaker takes your gaming experience to a whole new level.

Some extra specs I've been digging up.

TN panel
0.5ms GtG with OD and 3ms GtG without OD for comparison most 1ms TN panels are 1ms GtG with OD and 5ms GtG without OD.

most likely 10bit color (8bit + RFC)

Since this monitor has the actual G-Sync chipset on it this means it will have really really good VRR as well as an auto controlled OD setting to Nvidia Certification spec requirements, so a lot of things like Ghosting, Blanking, and other artifacts common among alot of other non-gsync TN panels that use vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) should not occur or be a lot less noticeable.

But since it is

  1. 27in
  2. 2560x1440
  3. 240Hz
  4. G-Sync
  5. HDR

Expect having to put a 2nd mortgage on your house, selling your car and walking to work, and selling at least 1 of your kidneys in order to afford this.

Discuss.

P.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.

Update Jan. 10th 2019

TFT CentralThe Y27gq is expected to be available around April at a retail price of $999.99 USD.

source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIHRRTj7wuU

Lenovo Legion Y27gq

[quote=Lenovo]The Lenovo Legion Y27gq is an ultrapowerful monitor that elevates your gaming experience. This monitor is designed to dominate with an impeccable blend of 240Hz refresh rate, 0.5ms response time, and the latest NVIDIA®️ G-SyncTM HDR technology. This 27-inch gaming monitor with its NearEdgeless QHD display and detachable Harman Kardon certified speaker takes your gaming experience to a whole new level.[/quote]

Some extra specs I've been digging up.

TN panel
0.5ms GtG with OD and 3ms GtG without OD for comparison most 1ms TN panels are 1ms GtG with OD and 5ms GtG without OD.

most likely 10bit color (8bit + RFC)

Since this monitor has the actual G-Sync chipset on it this means it will have really really good VRR as well as an auto controlled OD setting to Nvidia Certification spec requirements, so a lot of things like Ghosting, Blanking, and other artifacts common among alot of other non-gsync TN panels that use vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) [i]should[/i] not occur or be a lot less noticeable.

But since it is
[olist]
[*] 27in
[*] 2560x1440
[*] 240Hz
[*] G-Sync
[*] HDR
[/olist]

Expect having to put a 2nd mortgage on your house, selling your car and walking to work, and selling at least 1 of your kidneys in order to afford this.

Discuss.

P.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.

[b]Update Jan. 10th 2019[/b]
[quote=TFT Central]The Y27gq is expected to be available around April at a retail price of $999.99 USD.[/quote] [url=http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/lenovo-legion-y27gq-with-27-240hz-tn-film-panel-1440p-resolution-and-g-sync/]source[/url]
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ComangliaP.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.

i'm not that smart but does this mean I would be able to use g-sync on the freesync monitor I have?

[quote=Comanglia]
P.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.[/quote]
i'm not that smart but does this mean I would be able to use g-sync on the freesync monitor I have?
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vulcComangliaP.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.
i'm not that smart but does this mean I would be able to use g-sync on the freesync monitor I have?

most likely if you set it up correctly in the next driver update.

No idea exactly how it's done yet but I look forward to trying.

[quote=vulc][quote=Comanglia]
P.S.
Nvidia will be allowing users to use "G-Sync" on all vesa adaptive sync (this includes freesync) monitors if you manually configure it in the drivers in the next driver update that's expected to be released on January 15th.[/quote]
i'm not that smart but does this mean I would be able to use g-sync on the freesync monitor I have?[/quote]

most likely if you set it up correctly in the next driver update.

No idea exactly how it's done yet but I look forward to trying.
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wish it wasnt so large but other than that i want it

wish it wasnt so large but other than that i want it
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whats the point of esports in 1440p? Nobody plays it for its graphics. Marketing error imo. I'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.

whats the point of esports in 1440p? Nobody plays it for its graphics. Marketing error imo. I'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.
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TwiggyI'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.

Move your monitor back like 5 inches. I don't think it offers any significant competitive advantage, but that's a stretch.

The target audience is "people who can afford top-of-the-line monitors" so getting a higher resolution and a size that's impressive is better than not in that regard, even if it's not better for competitive gaming.

[quote=Twiggy]I'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.[/quote]
Move your monitor back like 5 inches. I don't think it offers any significant competitive advantage, but that's a stretch.

The target audience is "people who can afford top-of-the-line monitors" so getting a higher resolution and a size that's impressive is better than not in that regard, even if it's not better for competitive gaming.
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Twiggywhats the point of esports in 1440p? Nobody plays it for its graphics. Marketing error imo. I'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.

What makes you think this is targeted at eSports specifically?

HDR? - almost everyone is used to 8bit (6bit + RFC) in esports already and this offers no real advantage anyway

Actual G-Sync module. - BenQ studied this specifically and they found the vast majority of pro and upcoming FPS players specifically didn't want/didn't use this feature.

1440p monitors is going to be where it's at for high refresh gaming for the next ~4 years, and potentially longer. 2160p requires to much graphical power, and requires to much bandwidth on video cables

To save myself time I'm going to quote a reddit post I made

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ComangliaIt's hard to say "when" after reading alot of the comments that have been here for a few months it seems people are neglecting a few details. 1440p 240Hz WILL be a thing.

Why? 1080p is a dying market, now it's not going to die fast BUT for high-end eSport targeted monitors almost none of them will be 1080p in a year or so and with basically every top FPS player in the world using or wanting a 240Hz monitor 4k WILL NOT be the resolution of choice it just takes to much bandwidth 1440p on the other hand is already technically doable especially if you want to start to throw in things like 10bit (8-bit + FRC) with no subsampling and 4k at anything over 120Hz just isn't going to happen for awhile with that kind of support at those refresh rates.

Lets take the ASUS PG27UQ the top of the line gaming focus 4k monitor. It supports 144Hz, G-Sync, 10-bit (8-bit + FRC) etc. But it can't do all of that at the same time. Going past ~98Hz on the monitor makes it either lose 10-bit color and go to 8-bit or you start using chroma sub-sampling 4:2:2 at 144Hz you HAVE to use Chroma sub-sampling but you can still use the 10bit color space. At this point I must ask... Why? 4:2:2 2160p should have the same amount of color information as 4:4:4 1440p assuming same bit-rate. TL;DR good, high refresh, plus 4k is a LONG way off.

Basically the eSport niche of wanting super high refresh rates + general consumer demands is going to cause the death of 1080p panels in the 22in-30in range should lead to 1440p panels with 240Hz since 1080p 240Hz already exists and no one at the top level of a esport will downgrade refresh rate for more pixels.

A 24-27in 1440p panel with true 8-bit or 8-bit + FRC that's capable of doing 240Hz + Freesync or G-Sync would likely be a major success. Hell 24in 1440p would have enough PPI to have pixels be indistinguishable for ~50% of users at their normal view distance.

Tangent about DP I also wouldn't get my hopes up to high with DP 1.5 for 4k beyond 120Hz 8-bit (let alone 10-bit) technically speaking the PG27UQ is operating outside of spec for DP 1.4 at 120Hz (8-bit 4:4:4) with ~9.9Gbps per channel where DP 1.4 which uses HBR3 is specified for ~8.1Gbps per channel. Given how VESA has been pushing the spec of DP and what is already being said about DP 1.5 it'll likely be ~10.8Gbps per channel 4k 144Hz 8bit would still require more than this at 12Gbps. But DP 1.5 assuming it's 10.8Gbps would be enough for 1440p 10-bit 240Hz (think about that a HDR 240Hz panel with about 110-125ppi)

Links to various sources PPI (Pixels Per Inch) calculator https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/
Display Bandwidth calculator https://k.kramerav.com/support/BWcalculator.asp
VESA specification sheet for DP (check page 13) https://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/VESA-DP-Tech-Update-62117.pdf

The 240Hz and the 0.5ms GtG are their mostly to say that it IS a definitive upgrade over any previous gaming 1440p panel and since it's 1440p it already distinguishes itself from other 1080p 240Hz panels.

Plus the whole thing about 27in being to large is actually really wrong, before 240Hz monitors were released an extremely large portion of CSGO pros used 27in 1080p 144Hz monitors.

[quote=Twiggy]whats the point of esports in 1440p? Nobody plays it for its graphics. Marketing error imo. I'd go as far as saying playing esports on a monitor that large is a disadvantage because it requires more eye movement.[/quote]

What makes you think this is targeted at eSports specifically?

HDR? - almost everyone is used to 8bit (6bit + RFC) in esports already and this offers no real advantage anyway

Actual G-Sync module. - BenQ studied this specifically and they found the vast majority of pro and upcoming FPS players specifically didn't want/didn't use this feature.

1440p monitors is going to be where it's at for high refresh gaming for the next ~4 years, and potentially longer. 2160p requires to much graphical power, and requires to much bandwidth on video cables

To save myself time I'm going to quote a reddit post I made

[spoiler][quote=Comanglia]It's hard to say "when" after reading alot of the comments that have been here for a few months it seems people are neglecting a few details. 1440p 240Hz WILL be a thing.

Why? 1080p is a dying market, now it's not going to die fast BUT for high-end eSport targeted monitors almost none of them will be 1080p in a year or so and with basically every top FPS player in the world using or wanting a 240Hz monitor 4k WILL NOT be the resolution of choice it just takes to much bandwidth 1440p on the other hand is already technically doable especially if you want to start to throw in things like 10bit (8-bit + FRC) with no subsampling and 4k at anything over 120Hz just isn't going to happen for awhile with that kind of support at those refresh rates.

Lets take the ASUS PG27UQ the top of the line gaming focus 4k monitor. It supports 144Hz, G-Sync, 10-bit (8-bit + FRC) etc. But it can't do all of that at the same time. Going past ~98Hz on the monitor makes it either lose 10-bit color and go to 8-bit or you start using chroma sub-sampling 4:2:2 at 144Hz you HAVE to use Chroma sub-sampling but you can still use the 10bit color space. At this point I must ask... Why? 4:2:2 2160p should have the same amount of color information as 4:4:4 1440p assuming same bit-rate. TL;DR good, high refresh, plus 4k is a LONG way off.

Basically the eSport niche of wanting super high refresh rates + general consumer demands is going to cause the death of 1080p panels in the 22in-30in range should lead to 1440p panels with 240Hz since 1080p 240Hz already exists and no one at the top level of a esport will downgrade refresh rate for more pixels.

A 24-27in 1440p panel with true 8-bit or 8-bit + FRC that's capable of doing 240Hz + Freesync or G-Sync would likely be a major success. Hell 24in 1440p would have enough PPI to have pixels be indistinguishable for ~50% of users at their normal view distance.

Tangent about DP I also wouldn't get my hopes up to high with DP 1.5 for 4k beyond 120Hz 8-bit (let alone 10-bit) technically speaking the PG27UQ is operating outside of spec for DP 1.4 at 120Hz (8-bit 4:4:4) with ~9.9Gbps per channel where DP 1.4 which uses HBR3 is specified for ~8.1Gbps per channel. Given how VESA has been pushing the spec of DP and what is already being said about DP 1.5 it'll likely be ~10.8Gbps per channel 4k 144Hz 8bit would still require more than this at 12Gbps. But DP 1.5 assuming it's 10.8Gbps would be enough for 1440p 10-bit 240Hz (think about that a HDR 240Hz panel with about 110-125ppi)

Links to various sources PPI (Pixels Per Inch) calculator https://www.designcompaniesranked.com/resources/is-this-retina/
Display Bandwidth calculator https://k.kramerav.com/support/BWcalculator.asp
VESA specification sheet for DP (check page 13) https://www.vesa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/VESA-DP-Tech-Update-62117.pdf[/quote][/spoiler]

The 240Hz and the 0.5ms GtG are their mostly to say that it IS a definitive upgrade over any previous gaming 1440p panel and since it's 1440p it already distinguishes itself from other 1080p 240Hz panels.

Plus the whole thing about 27in being to large is actually really wrong, before 240Hz monitors were released an extremely large portion of CSGO pros used 27in 1080p 144Hz monitors.
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Any recommendations for a 240hz? 27in+ preferred

Any recommendations for a 240hz? 27in+ preferred
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Artz_HispanianAny recommendations for a 240hz? 27in+ preferred

Currently the only ones I know are available are

$599 - BenQ XL2740
$599 - Acer Predator XB272
$449 - LG 27GK750F
*prices are the MSRP

All of them are 1080p, the BenQ has the + of being on the "G-Sync compatible" list from Nvidia so enabling G-Sync on it should be relatively easy. Even if you don't enable it the compatibility approval means that the monitor actually has pretty decent OverDrive settings and relatively minimal pixel overshoot.

I personally wouldn't get the LG one 2ms rated GtG and LG tends to make pretty meh gaming monitors.

Otherwise you have to wait for the coming 1440p 240Hz 27in monitors of which I wouldn't be surprised to see one from basically all the typical brands Acer, ASUS, BenQ and a strong likely hood of seeing Samsung, LG, Dell and Viewsonic along with the already mentioned Lenovo monitor all here in the next 6 - 18 months.

[quote=Artz_Hispanian]Any recommendations for a 240hz? 27in+ preferred[/quote]

Currently the only ones I know are available are

$599 - BenQ XL2740
$599 - Acer Predator XB272
$449 - LG 27GK750F
*prices are the MSRP

All of them are 1080p, the BenQ has the + of being on the "G-Sync compatible" [url=https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/]list from Nvidia[/url] so enabling G-Sync on it should be relatively easy. Even if you don't enable it the compatibility approval means that the monitor actually has pretty decent OverDrive settings and relatively minimal pixel overshoot.

I personally wouldn't get the LG one 2ms rated GtG and LG tends to make pretty meh gaming monitors.

Otherwise you have to wait for the coming 1440p 240Hz 27in monitors of which I wouldn't be surprised to see one from basically all the typical brands Acer, ASUS, BenQ and a strong likely hood of seeing Samsung, LG, Dell and Viewsonic along with the already mentioned Lenovo monitor all here in the next 6 - 18 months.
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