I'm just tired of hearing drama about tf2center tbh
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SentinelWhen i said i wasnt involved, i simply meant that i never bothered replying or giving my input on the matters at hand. But yes i do know of, and use all those services youve mentioned and i know about the people behind them, I was there for the whole FTC fiasco, i read the entire bloody 18 page thread.
All those services were created by people working together. The new rival site isnt that kind of project. It's a revenge project against an already well established community website that the average user has no interest in leaving. Thats why i think its going to fail, unless the people behind it invest massive amounts of effort.
You've missed the point entirely, this isn't a revenge project in the slightest. Every step of the way the community supported TF2C, acted to create chances for the leadership to own up to mistakes and improve because of them. And thus far that leadership has not only refused to take responsibility for actions taken, but has removed admins for attempting to right the wrongs, banned players for speaking out critically of the administration, and driven away all but a handful of highly dedicated members of staff.
MN has shown that he will use his position of influence as the owner of TF2C to attempt to force other organizations to cater to his wishes. And he has no problem mistreating his staff.
I'm not saying he can't change. No one involved in the replacement project is saying he can't change. But we aren't going to sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for someone else to do something. We are going to do what the TF2 community has done time and time again. We are going to build something better.
Whether that comes in the form of actions taken by MN to repair the reputation of TF2C and move it forward from this situation, or if it comes in the form of a brand new service that replaces it like TF2C replaced the old lobbies doesn't really matter.
[quote=Sentinel]When i said i wasnt involved, i simply meant that i never bothered replying or giving my input on the matters at hand. But yes i do know of, and use all those services youve mentioned and i know about the people behind them, I was there for the whole FTC fiasco, i read the entire bloody 18 page thread.
All those services were created by people working together. The new rival site isnt that kind of project. It's a revenge project against an already well established community website that the average user has no interest in leaving. Thats why i think its going to fail, unless the people behind it invest massive amounts of effort.[/quote]
You've missed the point entirely, this isn't a revenge project in the slightest. Every step of the way the community supported TF2C, acted to create chances for the leadership to own up to mistakes and improve because of them. And thus far that leadership has not only refused to take responsibility for actions taken, but has removed admins for attempting to right the wrongs, banned players for speaking out critically of the administration, and driven away all but a handful of highly dedicated members of staff.
MN has shown that he will use his position of influence as the owner of TF2C to attempt to force other organizations to cater to his wishes. And he has no problem mistreating his staff.
I'm not saying he can't change. No one involved in the replacement project is saying he can't change. But we aren't going to sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for someone else to do something. We are going to do what the TF2 community has done time and time again. We are going to build something better.
Whether that comes in the form of actions taken by MN to repair the reputation of TF2C and move it forward from this situation, or if it comes in the form of a brand new service that replaces it like TF2C replaced the old lobbies doesn't really matter.
All those services were created by people working together. The new rival site isnt that kind of project. It's a revenge project against an already well established community website that the average user has no interest in leaving. Thats why i think its going to fail, unless the people behind it invest massive amounts of effort.[/quote]
You've missed the point entirely, this isn't a revenge project in the slightest. Every step of the way the community supported TF2C, acted to create chances for the leadership to own up to mistakes and improve because of them. And thus far that leadership has not only refused to take responsibility for actions taken, but has removed admins for attempting to right the wrongs, banned players for speaking out critically of the administration, and driven away all but a handful of highly dedicated members of staff.
MN has shown that he will use his position of influence as the owner of TF2C to attempt to force other organizations to cater to his wishes. And he has no problem mistreating his staff.
I'm not saying he can't change. No one involved in the replacement project is saying he can't change. But we aren't going to sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for someone else to do something. We are going to do what the TF2 community has done time and time again. We are going to build something better.
Whether that comes in the form of actions taken by MN to repair the reputation of TF2C and move it forward from this situation, or if it comes in the form of a brand new service that replaces it like TF2C replaced the old lobbies doesn't really matter.
eeeComangliaEh, TF2center is probably going to die after match making is released from being both lead by imcompetency, less convenient and not be able to rank up.have u ever even PLAYED CS?
like really idk why people just dont even bother to look at the shit that is similar to TF2 and instead just say dumb stuff
If you want to compare it to csgo, then actually think about it.
TF2
tf2c = lowest level
pugme/ESEA pugs = highest level
CSGO
Matchmaking = lowest level (until you get to ~supreme/global)
CEVO pugs = somewhat similar to matchmaking in terms of skill, depending on your rank, obviously.
ESEA pugs = highest level
Matchmaking, if done correctly, should replace tf2c at the low levels. There isn't a need for an external website for the lowest levels of tf2 if matchmaking is good. A smarter idea would be to expand pugme to replicate something like CEVO pugs in csgo if it is needed once matchmaking comes out.
If an external website is needed for the lowest level of tf2, then matchmaking is a failed attempt.
Edit: I forgot about tf2pickup, which is similar to pugme
[quote=eee][quote=Comanglia]Eh, TF2center is probably going to die after match making is released from being both lead by imcompetency, less convenient and not be able to rank up.[/quote]
have u ever even PLAYED CS?
like really idk why people just dont even bother to look at the shit that is similar to TF2 and instead just say dumb stuff[/quote]
If you want to compare it to csgo, then actually think about it.
TF2
tf2c = lowest level
pugme/ESEA pugs = highest level
CSGO
Matchmaking = lowest level (until you get to ~supreme/global)
CEVO pugs = somewhat similar to matchmaking in terms of skill, depending on your rank, obviously.
ESEA pugs = highest level
Matchmaking, if done correctly, should replace tf2c at the low levels. There isn't a need for an external website for the lowest levels of tf2 if matchmaking is good. A smarter idea would be to expand pugme to replicate something like CEVO pugs in csgo if it is needed once matchmaking comes out.
If an external website is needed for the lowest level of tf2, then matchmaking is a failed attempt.
Edit: I forgot about tf2pickup, which is similar to pugme
have u ever even PLAYED CS?
like really idk why people just dont even bother to look at the shit that is similar to TF2 and instead just say dumb stuff[/quote]
If you want to compare it to csgo, then actually think about it.
TF2
tf2c = lowest level
pugme/ESEA pugs = highest level
CSGO
Matchmaking = lowest level (until you get to ~supreme/global)
CEVO pugs = somewhat similar to matchmaking in terms of skill, depending on your rank, obviously.
ESEA pugs = highest level
Matchmaking, if done correctly, should replace tf2c at the low levels. There isn't a need for an external website for the lowest levels of tf2 if matchmaking is good. A smarter idea would be to expand pugme to replicate something like CEVO pugs in csgo if it is needed once matchmaking comes out.
If an external website is needed for the lowest level of tf2, then matchmaking is a failed attempt.
Edit: I forgot about tf2pickup, which is similar to pugme
There was a time when people refused to use a web based pug system or esea pugs cause everyone was already on irc using tf2pickup, tf2.gather.us, tf2.pug.na, tf2.pug, tf2mix
There was a time when people refused to use a web based pug system or esea pugs cause everyone was already on irc using tf2pickup, tf2.gather.us, tf2.pug.na, tf2.pug, tf2mix
there was a time when floor_master walked the planet and life was good and people did lobby til you drop tournaments for cbs dirty poker money.
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.
there was a time when floor_master walked the planet and life was good and people did lobby til you drop tournaments for cbs dirty poker money.
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.
flamethere was a time when floor_master walked the planet and life was good and people did lobby til you drop tournaments for cbs dirty poker money.
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.
Havent played a single batman game :c
[quote=flame]there was a time when floor_master walked the planet and life was good and people did lobby til you drop tournaments for cbs dirty poker money.
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.[/quote]
Havent played a single batman game :c
now we have plebs like "masternoob" scamming bitches and OPs who are the type of people who preorder batman games.
what is life.[/quote]
Havent played a single batman game :c
SentinelHavent played a single batman game :c
So it is preordered though
[quote=Sentinel]
Havent played a single batman game :c[/quote]
So it [b]is[/b] preordered though
Havent played a single batman game :c[/quote]
So it [b]is[/b] preordered though
couch_sitterSentinelHavent played a single batman game :c
So it is preordered though
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[quote=couch_sitter][quote=Sentinel]
Havent played a single batman game :c[/quote]
So it [b]is[/b] preordered though[/quote]
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Havent played a single batman game :c[/quote]
So it [b]is[/b] preordered though[/quote]
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I hope you do realize there's 1) a reddit post about this that's getting tons of exposure and 2) streamers like stabby have already boycotted the service and that his followers are likely to do the same (and other streamers are likely to follow suit)
The playerbase of TF2C cares (at least those who are informed, which is a lot more than you think. MasterNoob and the other incompetent admins have "touched" a lot of people with their special brand of idiocy). They'd just rather enjoy the game than quit without any viable alternative. As for MN, you act like this is the first time he's ever done anything wrong and that only people on this thread know about it. He and his admin team have fucked up multiple times with being ban-happy, bullying users, and being unable to reason with. And the people he's done it to range from members of this community to randos who decide to come onto TF2center only to get banned because they didn't join a lobby quick enough (not to say nobody on the site is banned for a legitimate reason).
I hope you do realize there's 1) a reddit post about this that's getting tons of exposure and 2) streamers like stabby have already boycotted the service and that his followers are likely to do the same (and other streamers are likely to follow suit)
The playerbase of TF2C cares (at least those who are informed, which is a lot more than you think. MasterNoob and the other incompetent admins have "touched" a lot of people with their special brand of idiocy). They'd just rather enjoy the game than quit without any viable alternative. As for MN, you act like this is the first time he's ever done anything wrong and that only people on this thread know about it. He and his admin team have fucked up multiple times with being ban-happy, bullying users, and being unable to reason with. And the people he's done it to range from members of this community to randos who decide to come onto TF2center only to get banned because they didn't join a lobby quick enough (not to say nobody on the site is banned for a legitimate reason).
The playerbase of TF2C cares (at least those who are informed, which is a lot more than you think. MasterNoob and the other incompetent admins have "touched" a lot of people with their special brand of idiocy). They'd just rather enjoy the game than quit without any viable alternative. As for MN, you act like this is the first time he's ever done anything wrong and that only people on this thread know about it. He and his admin team have fucked up multiple times with being ban-happy, bullying users, and being unable to reason with. And the people he's done it to range from members of this community to randos who decide to come onto TF2center only to get banned because they didn't join a lobby quick enough (not to say nobody on the site is banned for a legitimate reason).
Thank you for saying this Sentinel. I agree completely.
I think tf2c will die because everyone is sick of playing games where one side is almost always unfairly weighted.
Thank you for saying this Sentinel. I agree completely.
I think tf2c will die because everyone is sick of playing games where one side is almost always unfairly weighted.
I think tf2c will die because everyone is sick of playing games where one side is almost always unfairly weighted.
Does anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.
Does anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.
SentinelDoes anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.
Don't flatter yourself, it's not even close.
[quote=Sentinel]Does anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.[/quote]
Don't flatter yourself, it's not even close.
Don't flatter yourself, it's not even close.
There's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me
There's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me
I'm referring to mana BTW
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don't ban me
I'm referring to mana BTW
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[spoiler]don't ban me[/spoiler]
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owlThere's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm
[quote=owl]There's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me[/quote]
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm
owlI'm referring to mana BTW
I'M BUYING MY PLANE TICKET TO GXL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
[quote=owl]I'm referring to mana BTW[/quote]
I'M BUYING MY PLANE TICKET TO GXL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
I'M BUYING MY PLANE TICKET TO GXL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
SentinelowlThere's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort
[quote=Sentinel][quote=owl]There's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me[/quote]
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm[/quote]
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm[/quote]
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort
owlNah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort
This thing right here. Thank you for this. It just shows how people here operate. "This thread is getting a lot of -frags. LOL TL;DR, BETTER -FRAG AND MOVE ON"
[quote=owl]Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort[/quote]
This thing right here. Thank you for this. It just shows how people here operate. "This thread is getting a lot of -frags. LOL TL;DR, BETTER -FRAG AND MOVE ON"
This thing right here. Thank you for this. It just shows how people here operate. "This thread is getting a lot of -frags. LOL TL;DR, BETTER -FRAG AND MOVE ON"
SentinelDoes anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.
Threads > Hot > All Time > Last page
http://puu.sh/iTtSk/afd6514cd4.png
Good luck with that.
[quote=Sentinel]Does anyone know what's the most disliked thread on the forums? Cause i think mine might have broken the record. Boy, what a way to enter the community.[/quote]
Threads > Hot > All Time > Last page
[img]http://puu.sh/iTtSk/afd6514cd4.png[/img]
Good luck with that.
Threads > Hot > All Time > Last page
[img]http://puu.sh/iTtSk/afd6514cd4.png[/img]
Good luck with that.
owlSentinelowlThere's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort
[quote=owl][quote=Sentinel][quote=owl]There's something about the way that you post that really annoys the shit out of me[/quote]
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm[/quote]
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort[/quote]
[img]http://media.giphy.com/media/azhZXBAc6SkRG/giphy.gif[/img]
Should I start a fundraiser for a personal PR manager?
*EDIT* i just read your second post, nvm[/quote]
Nah man I'm not even willing to put effort into reading the longass shit you write, it's clear just from reading a sentence or two that you have no idea what you're talking about and never will have an idea of what you're talking about and 2 weeks from now nobody is going to even remember you or this thread so why waste effort[/quote]
[img]http://media.giphy.com/media/azhZXBAc6SkRG/giphy.gif[/img]
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