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Cheater/Hacker thread
961
#961
5 Frags +
deetrSidewaysWhoopiI've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015
Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.

This should be the 96% one: http://na.serveme.tf/uploads/76561197988022174-86100-15-20150615.zip It's on gully. The only way I could see 96% as being reasonable is if the other team gave up or went afk mid match and just handed out free kills.

xo"dont ban this person, hes my friend!"

this is getting old. Evidence speaks for itself. If you think someone isn't cheating all of a sudden because you know them, then you shouldn't be in this thread.

Exactly. We are not going to ignore hard evidence because someone is your friend and it is your personal opinion that they do not cheat. If you have some proof that they don't cheat, present it. However I don't think such proof exists or is even possible to provide (short of attending a LAN and getting some outrageous stats). 96% is so outrageous it would be very difficult to do even with lock-on aimbot, due to firing shots right as someone dies, or as they are moving around corners, or clearing sticky traps etc.

deetrI'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.

Look at some of b4nnys logs from lobbies. I looked through a few pages and they were pretty much mostly around high 60's to low 70's. I'm not sure of any other invite scouts that regularly play lobbies besides b4nny at least on their main account.

[quote=deetr][quote=SidewaysWhoopi]I've been playing with Yuri for years and have played a few seasons with her and I can honestly say that she's gotten better but not enough to be called a cheater. Personally I think these accusations are really stupid, it's really not that hard to stand out in lobbies. Free Yuri 2015[/quote]

Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.[/quote]

This should be the 96% one: http://na.serveme.tf/uploads/76561197988022174-86100-15-20150615.zip It's on gully. The only way I could see 96% as being reasonable is if the other team gave up or went afk mid match and just handed out free kills.

[quote=xo]"dont ban this person, hes my friend!"

this is getting old. Evidence speaks for itself. If you think someone isn't cheating all of a sudden because you know them, then you shouldn't be in this thread.[/quote]

Exactly. We are not going to ignore hard evidence because someone is your friend and it is your personal opinion that they do not cheat. If you have some proof that they don't cheat, present it. However I don't think such proof exists or is even possible to provide (short of attending a LAN and getting some outrageous stats). 96% is so outrageous it would be very difficult to do even with lock-on aimbot, due to firing shots right as someone dies, or as they are moving around corners, or clearing sticky traps etc.

[quote=deetr]I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.[/quote]

Look at some of b4nnys logs from lobbies. I looked through a few pages and they were pretty much mostly around high 60's to low 70's. I'm not sure of any other invite scouts that regularly play lobbies besides b4nny at least on their main account.
962
#962
-1 Frags +
dollarlayerstuff about the demo of yuri

could you make a video for those of us who are too lazy to download it

[quote=dollarlayer]stuff about the demo of yuri[/quote]
could you make a video for those of us who are too lazy to download it
963
#963
1 Frags +
aieradollarlayerstuff about the demo of yuricould you make a video for those of us who are too lazy to download it

This
I would do it buy my PC is out of commission

[quote=aiera][quote=dollarlayer]stuff about the demo of yuri[/quote]
could you make a video for those of us who are too lazy to download it[/quote]

This
I would do it buy my PC is out of commission
964
#964
10 Frags +

I'm gonna watch it and record anything fishy I see, will update this post with a video when I am done

Edit: Ok it has become very apparently very quickly that she is cheating. Wish I could have seen this demo before I watched those other two. Will still add clips when I'm done watching it

Edit2: There don't really seem to be many "that was clearly cheats" moments. It's just that she never misses. I could upload the entire demo if people want to watch it in their browsers at 2x speed or something, but there isn't really much to upload in terms of just clips. The 1 thing I thought might be blatant cheats actually looks less like cheats when I watched at 0.25x speed.

I'm gonna watch it and record anything fishy I see, will update this post with a video when I am done

Edit: Ok it has become very apparently very quickly that she is cheating. Wish I could have seen this demo before I watched those other two. Will still add clips when I'm done watching it

Edit2: There don't really seem to be many "that was clearly cheats" moments. It's just that she never misses. I could upload the entire demo if people want to watch it in their browsers at 2x speed or something, but there isn't really much to upload in terms of just clips. The 1 thing I thought might be blatant cheats actually looks less like cheats when I watched at 0.25x speed.
965
#965
5 Frags +

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

everyone's favourite streamer is back

edit: went offline pretty quickly after i said something, you can see his vod though, still extremely blatant.

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

everyone's favourite streamer is back

edit: went offline pretty quickly after i said something, you can see his vod though, still extremely blatant.
966
#966
4 Frags +
Gabiduohttp://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

everyone's favourite streamer is back

edit: went offline pretty quickly after i said something, you can see his vod though, still extremely blatant.

Nice find!

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2/b/670125647?t=59m44s

It's most obvious when he snipes starting @ 1hr. He really has the silent aimbot fov cranked up! Several of his shots you can see he was clearly aiming at a scout and he hits a pryo thats further away from his crosshair. This sort of thing happens multiple times if you pay attention. Flag his twitch for cheating again maybe they'll take it down for good?

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2/b/670125647?t=1h13m28s

"....Because I talked to a twitch rep and he said as long as I am not blatantly showing cheats on the stream, they weren't going to do anything.... So.... If you think I'm cheating that's great. But I say I'm not."

[quote=Gabiduo]http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

everyone's favourite streamer is back

edit: went offline pretty quickly after i said something, you can see his vod though, still extremely blatant.[/quote]

Nice find!

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2/b/670125647?t=59m44s

It's most obvious when he snipes starting @ 1hr. He really has the silent aimbot fov cranked up! Several of his shots you can see he was clearly aiming at a scout and he hits a pryo thats further away from his crosshair. This sort of thing happens multiple times if you pay attention. Flag his twitch for cheating again maybe they'll take it down for good?

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2/b/670125647?t=1h13m28s

[i]"....Because I talked to a twitch rep and he said as long as I am not blatantly showing cheats on the stream, they weren't going to do anything.... So.... If you think I'm cheating that's great. But I say I'm not."[/i]
967
#967
6 Frags +

What a loser

I don't get why kids like acle and bullet keep coming back after getting caught again and again.

Do they really think there's a day where they won't be caught? Why do they keep trying? Do they want to play that badly or do they have nothing better to do with their lives but live in their parents basement playing video games?
Kids...

What a loser

I don't get why kids like acle and bullet keep coming back after getting caught again and again.

Do they really think there's a day where they won't be caught? Why do they keep trying? Do they want to play that badly or do they have nothing better to do with their lives but live in their parents basement playing video games?
Kids...
968
#968
5 Frags +
DoctorMiggyWhat a loser

I don't get why kids like acle and bullet keep coming back after getting caught again and again.

Do they really think there's a day where they won't be caught? Why do they keep trying? Do they want to play that badly or do they have nothing better to do with their lives but live in their parents basement playing video games?
Kids...

they come back specifically because of posts like this one and threads like these

it's funny to make people mad

granted, they go a lot farther to do that than most of us but it's the same premise as making dump posts or trolling in lobbies or whatever

and im not saying that this thread is a bad thing, as a community we can sniff them out as fast as they can keep going and with any luck there wont be enough time between them making a new account and getting caught for it to even be worth it

[quote=DoctorMiggy]What a loser

I don't get why kids like acle and bullet keep coming back after getting caught again and again.

Do they really think there's a day where they won't be caught? Why do they keep trying? Do they want to play that badly or do they have nothing better to do with their lives but live in their parents basement playing video games?
Kids...[/quote]

they come back specifically because of posts like this one and threads like these

it's funny to make people mad

granted, they go a lot farther to do that than most of us but it's the same premise as making dump posts or trolling in lobbies or whatever

and im not saying that this thread is a bad thing, as a community we can sniff them out as fast as they can keep going and with any luck there wont be enough time between them making a new account and getting caught for it to even be worth it
969
#969
4 Frags +

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970
#970
9 Frags +

http://i.imgur.com/ewDfUbX.jpg

looks like i tuned into his stream at the perfect time, his stream went down and came back up shortly after, live right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

http://i.imgur.com/ewDfUbX.jpg

looks like i tuned into his stream at the perfect time, his stream went down and came back up shortly after, live right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2
971
#971
6 Frags +

he just turned on a triggerbot pretty sure, just submit a report if you happen to stop by his stream

he just turned on a triggerbot pretty sure, just submit a report if you happen to stop by his stream
972
#972
1 Frags +
Gabiduohttp://i.imgur.com/ewDfUbX.jpg

looks like i tuned into his stream at the perfect time, his stream went down and came back up shortly after, live right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2

I just hopped into his stream and he is talking about how he doesn't support cheating and he thinks its wrong lol

[quote=Gabiduo]http://i.imgur.com/ewDfUbX.jpg

looks like i tuned into his stream at the perfect time, his stream went down and came back up shortly after, live right now.

http://www.twitch.tv/acletf2[/quote]

I just hopped into his stream and he is talking about how he doesn't support cheating and he thinks its wrong lol
973
#973
2 Frags +

pretty sure his channel just got flagged down?

pretty sure his channel just got flagged down?
974
#974
1 Frags +

sooner or later he'll realize that he's lonely and wished he'd made different choices

Kryptpretty sure his channel just got flagged down?

yeah, appears so. i certainly reported him, took me less than 3 seconds to do. we win.

sooner or later he'll realize that he's lonely and wished he'd made different choices

[quote=Krypt]pretty sure his channel just got flagged down?[/quote]

yeah, appears so. i certainly reported him, took me less than 3 seconds to do. we win.
975
#975
0 Frags +

does noone know who sikeji is ????

does noone know who sikeji is ????
976
#976
-3 Frags +
phobiadoes noone know who sikeji is ????

He plays scout on my ugc team. I seriously doubt that he cheats, these were the logs from our match wednesday.
http://logs.tf/877691?highlight=76561198066923067
It was probably just a good day against lobby players.

[quote=phobia]does noone know who sikeji is ????[/quote]
He plays scout on my ugc team. I seriously doubt that he cheats, these were the logs from our match wednesday.
http://logs.tf/877691?highlight=76561198066923067
It was probably just a good day against lobby players.
977
#977
4 Frags +

Idk if this guy has been reported already but I'm pretty sure (like 99.9% sure) that I just played him on mge and he was cheating, he would do the most weird as fuck flicks with rocket and then change to shotgun immediatly and hit always first shot for 80+, he couldn't even jump because when he tried to jump the aim flicked and the rocket was fired in my direction lmao, even so he lost against me, smh...

He only has 1 log on that account from a lobby.

No etf2l account and no team on ugc tho.

Idk if [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198163449419]this guy[/url] has been reported already but I'm pretty sure (like 99.9% sure) that I just played him on mge and he was cheating, he would do the most weird as fuck flicks with rocket and then change to shotgun immediatly and hit always first shot for 80+, he couldn't even jump because when he tried to jump the aim flicked and the rocket was fired in my direction lmao, even so he lost against me, smh...

He only has [url=http://logs.tf/877003?highlight=76561198163449419]1 log[/url] on that account from a lobby.

No etf2l account and no team on ugc tho.
978
#978
0 Frags +
KanecoIdk if this guy has been reported already but I'm pretty sure (like 99.9% sure) that I just played him on mge and he was cheating, he would do the most weird as fuck flicks with rocket and then change to shotgun immediatly and hit always first shot for 80+, he couldn't even jump because when he tried to jump the aim flicked and the rocket was fired in my direction lmao, even so he lost against me, smh...

He only has 1 log on that account from a lobby with 93% accuracy on sniper.

No etf2l account and no team on ugc tho.

That is dmg done on sniper rifle, not accuracy

[quote=Kaneco]Idk if [url=http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198163449419]this guy[/url] has been reported already but I'm pretty sure (like 99.9% sure) that I just played him on mge and he was cheating, he would do the most weird as fuck flicks with rocket and then change to shotgun immediatly and hit always first shot for 80+, he couldn't even jump because when he tried to jump the aim flicked and the rocket was fired in my direction lmao, even so he lost against me, smh...

He only has [url=http://logs.tf/877003?highlight=76561198163449419]1 log[/url] on that account from a lobby with 93% accuracy on sniper.

No etf2l account and no team on ugc tho.[/quote]

That is dmg done on sniper rifle, not accuracy
979
#979
0 Frags +
Vash
That is dmg done on sniper rifle, not accuracy

Oh yeahh, my bad, im used to seeing logs with the extended stats plugins and just assume % are accuraccy stats. Still my hackusation stands, the weirdest part is that he only jumped once in an entire match of mge on badlands middle and it was when I was dead, all the other times he tried to do it I saw his aim flick to me and fire a rocket. Fishy as fuck

[quote=Vash]

That is dmg done on sniper rifle, not accuracy[/quote]
Oh yeahh, my bad, im used to seeing logs with the extended stats plugins and just assume % are accuraccy stats. Still my hackusation stands, the weirdest part is that he only jumped once in an entire match of mge on badlands middle and it was when I was dead, all the other times he tried to do it I saw his aim flick to me and fire a rocket. Fishy as fuck
980
#980
3 Frags +

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981
#981
15 Frags +

96% accuracy on scout is better than most top invite level scouts. Most top level invite scouts probably have 60-85% (maybe even 90 if ur clockwork or b4nny lol -- even then, 90 is still pretty crazy) accuracy but not 96%. To see a mid/high open level player hit 96% is fucking crazy and instantly makes me believe that she is hacking. I just don't believe it's possible, I want to believe that it's possible but it just seems so unlikely. Also, I like how the only people that are posting on this thread trying to protect her are her very close friends. Give it up, it's over... Time for a VACation??

96% accuracy on scout is better than most top invite level scouts. Most top level invite scouts probably have 60-85% (maybe even 90 if ur clockwork or b4nny lol -- even then, 90 is still pretty crazy) accuracy but not 96%. To see a mid/high open level player hit 96% is fucking crazy and instantly makes me believe that she is hacking. I just don't believe it's possible, I want to believe that it's possible but it just seems so unlikely. Also, I like how the only people that are posting on this thread trying to protect her are her very close friends. Give it up, it's over... Time for a VACation??
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#982
0 Frags +
phobiadoes noone know who sikeji is ????

What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking

[quote=phobia]does noone know who sikeji is ????[/quote]

What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking
983
#983
0 Frags +
deetrphobiadoes noone know who sikeji is ????
What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking

He was talking about a post he made earlier

phobiaanyone ever heard of this guy before ?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/lolimm4rio/

http://logs.tf/876224
[quote=deetr][quote=phobia]does noone know who sikeji is ????[/quote]

What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking[/quote]
He was talking about a post he made earlier
[quote=phobia]anyone ever heard of this guy before ?

http://steamcommunity.com/id/lolimm4rio/

http://logs.tf/876224[/quote]
984
#984
1 Frags +
deetrphobiadoes noone know who sikeji is ????
What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking

wasn't accusing him of hacking, was just curious who he was cause he was doing crazy stuff in a lobby

[quote=deetr][quote=phobia]does noone know who sikeji is ????[/quote]

What? Are you trying to report him for being a hacker? I just played a lobby with him and he definitely wasn't hacking[/quote]
wasn't accusing him of hacking, was just curious who he was cause he was doing crazy stuff in a lobby
985
#985
0 Frags +
deetrYeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.

I looked through the logs yesterday, she shot her scattergun 364 times in the match and missed 14 times. That makes the average per hit 24 damage. I just watched through the demo and there's a fair amount of chip damage.

On the whole the demo actually doesn't look suspicious at all apart from the ridiculous hit rate. The misses I did notice were against a sticky jumping demoman and quite a few times against a seriously strafing medic. This supports the silent aim with low fov theory. Not every shot that hit did maximum damage either. It's unlikely but I guess possible that there were no hacks, but I would say that this is just a really smart cheater. If she removed the hacks she'd probably do well enough anyway, it's a pity.

edit: i'm a fucking idiot there's no hacks the logs are just fucked

[quote=deetr]Yeah watching her demos she didn't seem like a cheater, but 96% is insane. Say an average shot is 80 damage, she did 8400 damage that would mean that she missed 4 shots out of 105. I don't know that I can believe that's possible, regardless of how good you are. I'd love to see the opinion of somebody who is really good at scout because it might be completely plausible and I just have no clue how accurate you can be against players with bad movement.[/quote]
I looked through the logs yesterday, she shot her scattergun 364 times in the match and missed 14 times. That makes the average per hit 24 damage. I just watched through the demo and there's a fair amount of chip damage.

On the whole the demo actually doesn't look suspicious at all apart from the ridiculous hit rate. The misses I did notice were against a sticky jumping demoman and quite a few times against a seriously strafing medic. This supports the silent aim with low fov theory. Not every shot that hit did maximum damage either. It's unlikely but I guess possible that there were no hacks, but I would say that this is just a really smart cheater. If she removed the hacks she'd probably do well enough anyway, it's a pity.

edit: i'm a fucking idiot there's no hacks the logs are just fucked
986
#986
4 Frags +

| steamname: UberAce | hi
| steam3ID: [U:1:228690903]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:1:114345451
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198188956631
| customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/PootisHealer
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198188956631

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmhtw9awsecy52i/cheater4.zip?dl=0
http://logs.tf/profile/76561198188956631

saw him blatantly cheating in MGE earlier. idk if he's been reported already or not, but he also has logs with and is friends with ACLE.

edit: he was friends with acle. after i called him out he removed him.

| steamname: UberAce | hi
| steam3ID: [U:1:228690903]
| steamID32: STEAM_0:1:114345451
| steamID64: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198188956631
| customURL: http://steamcommunity.com/id/PootisHealer
| steamrep: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198188956631

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmhtw9awsecy52i/cheater4.zip?dl=0
http://logs.tf/profile/76561198188956631

saw him blatantly cheating in MGE earlier. idk if he's been reported already or not, but he also has logs with and is friends with ACLE.

edit: he was friends with acle. after i called him out he removed him.
987
#987
2 Frags +
anicca|
he also has logs with and is friends with ACLE.

edit: he was friends with acle. after i called him out he removed him.

Birds of a feather flock together

[quote=anicca]|
he also has logs with and is friends with ACLE.

edit: he was friends with acle. after i called him out he removed him.[/quote]

Birds of a feather flock together
988
#988
3 Frags +

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198125490454

STEAM_0:0:82612363

just played a lobby against him
http://logs.tf/880329?highlight=76561198028572994

i knew he was cheating when he hit an entire pistol clip on me from shutter while i was in choke pushing. he also went heavy at one point and was hitting literally every bullet on someone capping from the kit by main on last.

he's in UGC iron http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198125490454

he incredibly bad movement and almost no idea of how to play, yet hit 100% of his pistols from any range.

http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198125490454

STEAM_0:0:82612363

just played a lobby against him
http://logs.tf/880329?highlight=76561198028572994

i knew he was cheating when he hit an entire pistol clip on me from shutter while i was in choke pushing. he also went heavy at one point and was hitting literally every bullet on someone capping from the kit by main on last.

he's in UGC iron http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198125490454

he incredibly bad movement and almost no idea of how to play, yet hit 100% of his pistols from any range.
989
#989
0 Frags +
Air_http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198125490454

STEAM_0:0:82612363

just played a lobby against him
http://logs.tf/880329?highlight=76561198028572994

i knew he was cheating when he hit an entire pistol clip on me from shutter while i was in choke pushing. he also went heavy at one point and was hitting literally every bullet on someone capping from the kit by main on last.

he's in UGC iron http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198125490454

he incredibly bad movement and almost no idea of how to play, yet hit 100% of his pistols from any range.

they recently kicked this guy from their roster
http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack/

EDIT: your guy doesn't appear to be playing any matches or scrims with them, and that is the only log where he put up decent stats ever, and i can't load his sizzling stats profile. seems like we'll have to wait for him to cheat a little more.

[quote=Air_]http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198125490454

STEAM_0:0:82612363

just played a lobby against him
http://logs.tf/880329?highlight=76561198028572994

i knew he was cheating when he hit an entire pistol clip on me from shutter while i was in choke pushing. he also went heavy at one point and was hitting literally every bullet on someone capping from the kit by main on last.

he's in UGC iron http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561198125490454

he incredibly bad movement and almost no idea of how to play, yet hit 100% of his pistols from any range.[/quote]

they recently kicked this guy from their roster
http://steamcommunity.com/id/sellingsnustojack/

EDIT: your guy doesn't appear to be playing any matches or scrims with them, and that is the only log where he put up decent stats ever, and i can't load his sizzling stats profile. seems like we'll have to wait for him to cheat a little more.
990
#990
10 Frags +
BdonskidollarlayerYou may have me confused with a TF2C/UGC admin. To be clear, I am not an admin or on any kind of an "admin team." I'm just a player in the casual comp community that calls out cheaters when I see them. I personally was never arguing that they are not two different people (see the quote below). However I did state that if an admin thinks they are the same person (which is the correct assumption in 95% of cases probably) then they probably have shared multiple IP's and accounts together.Regardless, the people responsible for banning them are the same people who thought that yuri is atrocity's alt. And no, they don't even have the same IP, which makes this entire thing laughable

I've played against multiple high level scouts who's scatter accuracy has never come close to what she logged. Whats laughable is that your defending her because she is your friend. It's clear she hasn't come here to prove her innocence, but to have people like you make statements against the only place where cheaters have been exposed is just filth. I applaud the TF2C Admins and community for keeping the game legit for the players that still enjoy playing semi-competitive.

[quote=Bdonski][quote=dollarlayer]
You may have me confused with a TF2C/UGC admin. To be clear, I am not an admin or on any kind of an "admin team." I'm just a player in the casual comp community that calls out cheaters when I see them. I personally was never arguing that they are not two different people (see the quote below). However I did state that if an admin thinks they are the same person (which is the correct assumption in 95% of cases probably) then they probably have shared multiple IP's and accounts together.
[/quote]
Regardless, the people responsible for banning them are the same people who thought that yuri is atrocity's alt. And no, they don't even have the same IP, which makes this entire thing laughable[/quote]

I've played against multiple high level scouts who's scatter accuracy has never come close to what she logged. Whats laughable is that your defending her because she is your friend. It's clear she hasn't come here to prove her innocence, but to have people like you make statements against the only place where cheaters have been exposed is just filth. I applaud the TF2C Admins and community for keeping the game legit for the players that still enjoy playing semi-competitive.
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