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The Savior of Team Fortress 2
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Hello, let's dive right into it I don't like wasting people's time.

Stop crying about valve, that company will always strive to be incredibly successful and profitable, and if that means giving no help to a community that is divided and unorganized then so be it. Ask not what valve can do for you, rather what can you do for valve? This community is small, historically all fps games have been relatively small. Now, I say relative because we as gamers have witnessed the huge popularity and attraction to games such as league of legends and dota. When you a step back and observe this community, you can see many elements that cause adversities that directly effect competitive tf2 6v6. Knowledge is power, the more information we have the more we can attempt to make a positive outcome for the future of 6v6.

In the gaming industry we can compare certain aspects of successful games to tf2, specifically formats which are arguably the most important element in anything that is competitive. Dota 2 and CS:GO each have one competitive format. Now on this same note, there are things that we can not compare to tf2. Yes those games have direct dev support for their competitive functions, but you must recognize the time difference as well. Team Fortress 2 has been out for seven years now, whereas Dota 2 was officially released on July 9, 2013 and CS:GO on August 21, 2012.

Prior to League of Legends which was released October 27, 2009, not many of us could have foreseen the insane popularity that has led to this new-age of e-sports. As I have previously stated, Valve is going to continue to be in it for the money, whatever they decide to do. Valve knew they could take a piece of the LoL pie by releasing Dota 2. This is important because it directly relates to the upcoming release from Blizzard, Overwatch.

Overwatch is very similar to tf2 (visually) and we know that it is an fps with other added features. We know that Overwatch is going to have competitive scene, and if it is of any respectable size, Valve is going to have some sort of response, whether it be a Source 2 port for tf2 with integrated matchmaking etc. or a whole new Team Fortress 3. Whatever it may be, we know that if there is profit to be made, valve will step up to the plate and do it better. If anything, Overwatch may be exactly what saves competitive tf2. There's just one problem, what is competitive team fortress 2? Unfortunately as of now this is something that is in the hands of the community.

For the past seven years we have had multiple leagues ranging from the old days of CAL to TWL to CEVO, ESEA and UGC. This is where this post becomes a nightmare and the ultimate debate begins.

Approximate player count:
UGC NA HL: 5250
UGC NA 6s: 2850
ESEA (Open, IM, and Invite combined): 400

If UGC truly cared about the future of competitive Team Fortress 2, they would drop Highlander AND their 6s divisions right now. The overall size of comp tf2 barely supports one league, to divide it into two or three is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. UGC has created a double standard for tf2 which has served as nothing other than a cancer for the growth of 6v6. In retrospect what they have done is created a special olympics for non-handicapped people. Instead of having to compete in the obviously more challenging league (ESEA) you can now run around with your medal that says you played Platinum and you get that warm fuzzy feeling as if you are the best of the best. Having different leagues for a competitive scene only ~3000 players in size is absolutely detrimental -strength through unity. Imagine if those 2850 6s players in UGC would gather the courage to register for ESEA-Open, stick with their teammates and work their way up the ranks, we may have had a stronger league (population wise) and who knows, maybe even a competitor worthy of contesting or beating Froyotech. Instead we have no teams in invite and no one on the horizon to give LAN viewers an exciting match or at least a hope that there will be a new champion. In fact we have the exact opposite, everyone panicking and screaming that the game is dead. I don't want to see one single response post to this about how you play UGC because its free, if you have the time in your life to grind 80+hrs/2weeks for 6v6, you can definitely throw down the ~30$ it costs to play a season of ESEA, you aren't fooling anyone kid.

This game needs one competitive format to be seen and taken seriously. Seen by who you might ask? Pubs are the lifeblood of Team Fortress 2, pubs are what give this game the frequent top #3 daily rank on the steam stats page. If the day comes where those 3 million+ monthly active pub players launch their game and they see a button on their home menu that says "Play Competitive" which format do you want that button to que them in? Lets say Valve does do something, and this community somehow gets exactly what it wants, what format do you think Valve is going to chose to implement as the official competitive format of tf2? Now yes, valve could do absolutely nothing and not care one ounce about the future of tf2 or their competition with Blizzard. If I was a betting person, I would put my money on Valve doing something to attract as many players interested in Overwatch and get them interested in tf2. Finally, what Valve does is not up to us. We have to make the best of what we have, and right now all we have is a serious 400 people versus 5250 cringey anime spergs that somehow enjoy playing the most cancerous format in e-sports history. Don't abandon 6v6, the next 12 months could mean the death or survival of this awesome format. Show Valve why 6v6 deserves more, its up to you.

Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.

Hello, let's dive right into it I don't like wasting people's time.

Stop crying about valve, that company will always strive to be incredibly successful and profitable, and if that means giving no help to a community that is divided and unorganized then so be it. Ask not what valve can do for you, rather what can you do for valve? This community is small, historically all fps games have been relatively small. Now, I say relative because we as gamers have witnessed the huge popularity and attraction to games such as league of legends and dota. When you a step back and observe this community, you can see many elements that cause adversities that directly effect competitive tf2 6v6. Knowledge is power, the more information we have the more we can attempt to make a positive outcome for the future of 6v6.

In the gaming industry we can compare certain aspects of successful games to tf2, specifically formats which are arguably the most important element in anything that is competitive. Dota 2 and CS:GO each have one competitive format. Now on this same note, there are things that we can not compare to tf2. Yes those games have direct dev support for their competitive functions, but you must recognize the time difference as well. Team Fortress 2 has been out for seven years now, whereas Dota 2 was officially released on July 9, 2013 and CS:GO on August 21, 2012.

Prior to League of Legends which was released October 27, 2009, not many of us could have foreseen the insane popularity that has led to this new-age of e-sports. As I have previously stated, Valve is going to continue to be in it for the money, whatever they decide to do. Valve knew they could take a piece of the LoL pie by releasing Dota 2. This is important because it directly relates to the upcoming release from Blizzard, Overwatch.

Overwatch is very similar to tf2 (visually) and we know that it is an fps with other added features. We know that Overwatch is going to have competitive scene, and if it is of any respectable size, Valve is going to have some sort of response, whether it be a Source 2 port for tf2 with integrated matchmaking etc. or a whole new Team Fortress 3. Whatever it may be, we know that if there is profit to be made, valve will step up to the plate and do it better. If anything, Overwatch may be exactly what saves competitive tf2. There's just one problem, what is competitive team fortress 2? Unfortunately as of now this is something that is in the hands of the community.

For the past seven years we have had multiple leagues ranging from the old days of CAL to TWL to CEVO, ESEA and UGC. This is where this post becomes a nightmare and the ultimate debate begins.

Approximate player count:
UGC NA HL: 5250
UGC NA 6s: 2850
ESEA (Open, IM, and Invite combined): 400

If UGC truly cared about the future of competitive Team Fortress 2, they would drop Highlander AND their 6s divisions right now. The overall size of comp tf2 barely supports one league, to divide it into two or three is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. UGC has created a double standard for tf2 which has served as nothing other than a cancer for the growth of 6v6. In retrospect what they have done is created a special olympics for non-handicapped people. Instead of having to compete in the obviously more challenging league (ESEA) you can now run around with your medal that says you played Platinum and you get that warm fuzzy feeling as if you are the best of the best. Having different leagues for a competitive scene only ~3000 players in size is absolutely detrimental -strength through unity. Imagine if those 2850 6s players in UGC would gather the courage to register for ESEA-Open, stick with their teammates and work their way up the ranks, we may have had a stronger league (population wise) and who knows, maybe even a competitor worthy of contesting or beating Froyotech. Instead we have no teams in invite and no one on the horizon to give LAN viewers an exciting match or at least a hope that there will be a new champion. In fact we have the exact opposite, everyone panicking and screaming that the game is dead. I don't want to see one single response post to this about how you play UGC because its free, if you have the time in your life to grind 80+hrs/2weeks for 6v6, you can definitely throw down the ~30$ it costs to play a season of ESEA, [b]you aren't fooling anyone kid.[/b]

This game needs one competitive format to be seen and taken seriously. Seen by who you might ask? Pubs are the lifeblood of Team Fortress 2, pubs are what give this game the frequent top #3 daily rank on the steam stats page. If the day comes where those 3 million+ monthly active pub players launch their game and they see a button on their home menu that says "Play Competitive" which format do you want that button to que them in? Lets say Valve does do something, and this community somehow gets exactly what it wants, what format do you think Valve is going to chose to implement as the official competitive format of tf2? Now yes, valve could do absolutely nothing and not care one ounce about the future of tf2 or their competition with Blizzard. If I was a betting person, I would put my money on Valve doing something to attract as many players interested in Overwatch and get them interested in tf2. Finally, what Valve does is not up to us. We have to make the best of what we have, and right now all we have is a serious 400 people versus 5250 cringey anime spergs that somehow enjoy playing the most cancerous format in e-sports history. Don't abandon 6v6, the next 12 months could mean the death or survival of this awesome format. Show Valve why 6v6 deserves more, its up to you.

Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.
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#2
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bit hostile there bud

bit hostile there bud
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#3
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nice

nice
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Hi! You seem like you might be new to competitive and steam in general so let me know if you need any help :] If you like frag videos you should check out our cool frag video page. If you are looking for a team I'd suggest starting in UGC!

Hi! You seem like you might be new to competitive and steam in general so let me know if you need any help :] If you like frag videos you should check out our cool frag video page. If you are looking for a team I'd suggest starting in UGC!
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#6
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nice alt

nice alt
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#7
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who cares

who cares
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#8
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lmao

lmao
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#9
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Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.

inb4 lange alt

[quote]Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.[/quote]
inb4 lange alt
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#10
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yoyre relly dumn

yoyre relly dumn
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#11
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http://puu.sh/dqROB/0a9078c041.png

[img]http://puu.sh/dqROB/0a9078c041.png[/img]
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#12
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So you're saying that we should get rid of our free competitive tf2 league and force everyone to pay up for ESEA? I'm pretty sure that this system of yours will result in more people not playing at all if the only way to play comp is to pay.

So you're saying that we should get rid of our free competitive tf2 league and force everyone to pay up for ESEA? I'm pretty sure that this system of yours will result in more people not playing at all if the only way to play comp is to pay.
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u dum

u dum
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The_Savior Imagine if those 2850 6s players in UGC would gather the courage to register for ESEA-Open, stick with their teammates and work their way up the ranks, we may have had a stronger league (population wise) and who knows, maybe even a competitor worthy of contesting or beating Froyotech.

lol good joke

[quote=The_Savior] Imagine if those 2850 6s players in UGC would gather the courage to register for ESEA-Open, stick with their teammates and work their way up the ranks, we may have had a stronger league (population wise) and who knows, maybe even a competitor worthy of contesting or beating Froyotech.[/quote]
lol good joke
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You just called an entire competitive scene "cringey anime spergs that somehow enjoy playing the most cancerous format in e-sports history". Kinda douchey, don't you think?
Also, who is picking on lange?
Since when disagreeing with one's opinion is picking?
Your elitist/shitty attitude towards highlander in general is what keeps this game from growing.

You just called an entire competitive scene "cringey anime spergs that somehow enjoy playing the most cancerous format in e-sports history". Kinda douchey, don't you think?
Also, who is picking on lange?
Since when disagreeing with one's opinion is picking?
Your elitist/shitty attitude towards highlander in general is what keeps this game from growing.
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#16
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Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.

I am pretty sure literally everyone who has commented on Lange and his video over the past couple days is fully well aware that he has done a shit ton for the community and hasn't said a word different.

bad troll is bad

[quote]Oh and stop picking on Lange, that kid has done more for this community than any of you ever have or ever will, show some appreciation.[/quote]

I am pretty sure literally everyone who has commented on Lange and his video over the past couple days is fully well aware that he has done a shit ton for the community and hasn't said a word different.

bad troll is bad
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#17
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The_Idiot would have been a better forum name for you op :)

The_Idiot would have been a better forum name for you op :)
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n1 geknaiir

n1 geknaiir
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There is nothing that will kill TF2 faster than having the only league be a paid 6v6 league. Highlander is great for TF2, 6v6 doesn't really make sense in this game, but it will in Overwatch, see y'all there.

There is nothing that will kill TF2 faster than having the only league be a paid 6v6 league. Highlander is great for TF2, 6v6 doesn't really make sense in this game, but it will in Overwatch, see y'all there.
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Excuse me, but I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as competitive TF2, is in fact, 6v6/TF2, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, 6s plus TF2. TF2 is not a competitive video game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning competitive system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full competitive community as defined by Gotfrag and teamfortress.tv. Many computer users play a modified version of the TF2 system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of competitive TF2 which is widely used today is often called “Highlander”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the 6v6 system, developed by the 6v6 Project. There really is a competitive Highlander TF2, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. 6v6 is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of a competitive community, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete community. TF2 is normally used in combination with the 6v6 gametype: the whole system is basically 6v6 with TF2 added, or 6v6/TF2. All the so-called “competitive TF2” distributions are really distributions of 6v6/TF2.

Excuse me, but I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as competitive TF2, is in fact, 6v6/TF2, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, 6s plus TF2. TF2 is not a competitive video game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning competitive system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full competitive community as defined by Gotfrag and teamfortress.tv. Many computer users play a modified version of the TF2 system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of competitive TF2 which is widely used today is often called “Highlander”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the 6v6 system, developed by the 6v6 Project. There really is a competitive Highlander TF2, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. 6v6 is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of a competitive community, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete community. TF2 is normally used in combination with the 6v6 gametype: the whole system is basically 6v6 with TF2 added, or 6v6/TF2. All the so-called “competitive TF2” distributions are really distributions of 6v6/TF2.
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m4risaThere is nothing that will kill TF2 faster than having the only league be a paid 6v6 league. Highlander is great for TF2...

agree, I think I'll upfrag

m4risa6v6 doesn't really make sense in this game, but it will in Overwatch, see y'all there.

disagree, must downfrag

I'm really confused

[quote=m4risa]There is nothing that will kill TF2 faster than having the only league be a paid 6v6 league. Highlander is great for TF2...[/quote] agree, I think I'll upfrag [quote=m4risa]6v6 doesn't really make sense in this game, but it will in Overwatch, see y'all there.[/quote] disagree, must downfrag

I'm really confused
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I guess I mistyped what I meant to say. 6v6 doesn't make sense to the vast majority of players. I've introduced a lot of friends into competitive TF2 and 6v6 is very strange to them.

I guess I mistyped what I meant to say. 6v6 doesn't make sense to the vast majority of players. I've introduced a lot of friends into competitive TF2 and 6v6 is very strange to them.
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if you got rid of UGC that would basically kill comp instantly

if you got rid of UGC that would basically kill comp instantly
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#24
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Ecksif you got rid of UGC that would basically kill comp instantly

explain

[quote=Ecks]if you got rid of UGC that would basically kill comp instantly[/quote]
explain
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#25
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Ground floor

Ground floor
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zigzter: are you The_Savior
kirby`: no
kirby`: why
zigzter: i think ur lying

I am offended, but I feel like I brought this on myself somehow.

zigzter: are you The_Savior
kirby`: no
kirby`: why
zigzter: i think ur lying

I am offended, but I feel like I brought this on myself somehow.
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im in the process of making a revolutionary greasemonkey script

It takes walls of text and formats it as a concise sentence that will be understandable to all people

im having difficulty with the script not giving a fuck tho

im in the process of making a revolutionary greasemonkey script

It takes walls of text and formats it as a concise sentence that will be understandable to all people

im having difficulty with the script not giving a fuck tho
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what did i just read

what did i just read
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#29
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can everyone stop making threads just to get their opinion visibility

Show Content
please
can everyone stop making threads just to get their opinion visibility
[spoiler]please[/spoiler]
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#30
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u from hindsdale, new hampshire op?

u from hindsdale, new hampshire op?
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