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#301
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alfaI don't get how the euro scene even gets involved in a NA matter

ESEA European TF2 Open Division maybe

[quote=alfa]I don't get how the euro scene even gets involved in a NA matter[/quote]
ESEA European TF2 Open Division maybe
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#302
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PUFFPoint is, most of the player base has some goal in mind...whether it is winning open or main or not having a negative record at the end of the season. Invite LAN isn't the "end-game" for all and if it was you wouldn't see so many invite capable players dodging it or not attempting invite.

LAN is good for the top teams because they are the best and put on a good show, but at the end of the day, the game should be about YOU and your personal competitive experience. Would I have loved to make LAN? Ya!....but oh well it didn't happen so I'll continue to play this game with people I like and continue having competitive games in whatever division I play in.

And you're right. I guess that what I was trying to say was that LAN is the literal end game for all players and also invite players. iT/Mixup is the final boss. It's a dumb metaphor anyways.

Point is, LAN can't happen without the support of the entire community and if the community is no longer interested in supporting it then so be it.

The only reasons to stay with ESEA is because:

1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)
2. You want to support the Invite players with LAN

If we don't need their league support and don't want LAN then as long as league support is taken care of in some other way there is no point in staying with ESEA.

[quote=PUFF]Point is, most of the player base has some goal in mind...whether it is winning open or main or not having a negative record at the end of the season. Invite LAN isn't the "end-game" for all and if it was you wouldn't see so many invite capable players dodging it or not attempting invite.

LAN is good for the top teams because they are the best and put on a good show, but at the end of the day, the game should be about YOU and your personal competitive experience. Would I have loved to make LAN? Ya!....but oh well it didn't happen so I'll continue to play this game with people I like and continue having competitive games in whatever division I play in.[/quote]

And you're right. I guess that what I was trying to say was that LAN is the literal end game for all players and also invite players. iT/Mixup is the final boss. It's a dumb metaphor anyways.

Point is, LAN can't happen without the support of the entire community and if the community is no longer interested in supporting it then so be it.

The only reasons to stay with ESEA is because:

1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)
2. You want to support the Invite players with LAN

If we don't need their league support and don't want LAN then as long as league support is taken care of in some other way there is no point in staying with ESEA.
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#303
14 Frags +

isn't epsilon the end boss of tf2 now?

isn't epsilon the end boss of tf2 now?
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#304
6 Frags +
PUFF....but oh well it didn't happen so I'll continue to play this game with people I like and continue having competitive games in whatever division I play in.

Dawww... I like you too, Puff.

[quote=PUFF]....but oh well it didn't happen so I'll continue to play this game with people I like and continue having competitive games in whatever division I play in.[/quote]

Dawww... I like you too, Puff.
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#305
2 Frags +

Crap sorry. I did a post but quoted it all wrong...lol. Trying to fix it. Sorry I will edit this in a few when I find the right quote again....my b! Well at least there is a bit of Nahannni comic relief here....right?!! <3

Crap sorry. I did a post but quoted it all wrong...lol. Trying to fix it. Sorry I will edit this in a few when I find the right quote again....my b! Well at least there is a bit of Nahannni comic relief here....right?!! <3
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#306
RGB LAN
19 Frags +
MR_SLIN
1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)

Stats - Could be taken care of with sizzling stats or something similar. It wouldn't be the exact same experience, but I think we could make it work just fine.

Match scheduling - ESEA's match scheduling is absolutely nothing to speak of. It's mediocre. If something unfortunate happens or two teams just can't agree on a day within about four days, then it's either a forfeit or a coin toss. Sick system.

Pugs - Never used.

Scrim servers - Seldom used.

Forums - Never used.

Admins - l0l.

Support - Submit a trouble ticket.

I'm not really pushing to stay with ESEA or to go elsewhere, but making league support a point for trying to convince someone to stay with ESEA is just not that great.

[quote=MR_SLIN]

1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)

[/quote]

Stats - Could be taken care of with sizzling stats or something similar. It wouldn't be the exact same experience, but I think we could make it work just fine.

Match scheduling - ESEA's match scheduling is absolutely nothing to speak of. It's mediocre. If something unfortunate happens or two teams just can't agree on a day within about four days, then it's either a forfeit or a coin toss. Sick system.

Pugs - Never used.

Scrim servers - Seldom used.

Forums - Never used.

Admins - l0l.

Support - Submit a trouble ticket.

I'm not really pushing to stay with ESEA or to go elsewhere, but making league support a point for trying to convince someone to stay with ESEA is just not that great.
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#307
17 Frags +
radium If CEVO is to be taken seriously as a replacement for ESEA....

Stop saying that CEVO is "replacing" ESEA!! That is not the goal or the focus!! ESEA can be here and is an important piece for invite. Again I think everyone recognizes that. CEVO needs to be supported for a community based league that ESEA is not currently giving. Period. If people want ESEA lan and ESEA then play it! No one is stopping you here. There should not be any reason why the community should be able to support CEVO in having a league they can call home. Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.

All this bickering back and forth because people have it in their heads it is one or the other. If teams choose CEVO over ESEA because of what happened then great. If they want to play both to keep ESEA going and help support CEVO then fine. If people just play ESEA and not support CEVO then I don't ever want to hear again how TF2 doesn't have a good community league and how ESEA is shit ever again!!!! CEVO and I are giving you an opportunity to build a league that is "community based and supported". It is simply up to the community to now step up to the plate, show their support and help us make it happen. If ESEA lives then great, our invite players can still fight it out for the lan that ESEA provides; then go for it guys! I wish you luck! I wish none of you any ill will and still hold you in high regard.

[quote=radium] If CEVO is to be taken seriously as a replacement for ESEA....[/quote]

Stop saying that CEVO is "replacing" ESEA!! That is not the goal or the focus!! ESEA can be here and is an important piece for invite. Again I think everyone recognizes that. CEVO needs to be supported for a community based league that ESEA is not currently giving. Period. If people want ESEA lan and ESEA then play it! No one is stopping you here. There should not be any reason why the community should be able to support CEVO in having a league they can call home. Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.[u]That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.[/u]

All this bickering back and forth because people have it in their heads it is one or the other. If teams choose CEVO over ESEA because of what happened then great. If they want to play both to keep ESEA going and help support CEVO then fine. If people just play ESEA and not support CEVO then I don't ever want to hear again how TF2 doesn't have a good community league and how ESEA is shit ever again!!!! CEVO and I are giving you an opportunity to build a league that is "community based and supported". It is simply up to the community to now step up to the plate, show their support and help us make it happen. If ESEA lives then great, our invite players can still fight it out for the lan that ESEA provides; then go for it guys! I wish you luck! I wish none of you any ill will and still hold you in high regard.
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#308
-5 Frags +
Nahanni Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.

im pretty sure the arguement has evolved past invite needing lan and more into tf2 needing invite

[quote=Nahanni] Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.[u]That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.[/quote]

im pretty sure the arguement has evolved past invite needing lan and more into tf2 needing invite
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#309
2 Frags +
And you're right. I guess that what I was trying to say was that LAN is the literal end game for all players and also invite players. iT/Mixup is the final boss. It's a dumb metaphor anyways

i watch rr's stream enough can we stop with all the rpg/mmo metaphors ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)

[quote]And you're right. I guess that what I was trying to say was that LAN is the literal end game for all players and also invite players. iT/Mixup is the final boss. It's a dumb metaphor anyways[/quote]

i watch rr's stream enough can we stop with all the rpg/mmo metaphors ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)
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#310
2 Frags +
Nahanniradium If CEVO is to be taken seriously as a replacement for ESEA....
Stop saying that CEVO is "replacing" ESEA!! That is not the goal or the focus!! ESEA can be here and is an important piece for invite. Again I think everyone recognizes that. CEVO needs to be supported for a community based league that ESEA is not currently giving. Period. If people want ESEA lan and ESEA then play it! No one is stopping you here. There should not be any reason why the community should be able to support CEVO in having a league they can call home. Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.

All this bickering back and forth because people have it in their heads it is one or the other. If teams choose CEVO over ESEA because of what happened then great. If they want to play both to keep ESEA going and help support CEVO then fine. If people just play ESEA and not support CEVO then I don't ever want to hear again how TF2 doesn't have a good community league and how ESEA is shit ever again!!!! CEVO and I are giving you an opportunity to build a league that is "community based and supported". It is simply up to the community to now step up to the plate, show their support and help us make it happen. If ESEA lives then great, our invite players can still fight it out for the lan that ESEA provides; then go for it guys! I wish you luck! I wish none of you any ill will and still hold you in high regard.

Thank you for the clarification. This is the first time that I've heard someone say that CEVO is NOT going to replace ESEA. This needed to be said a while back. I look forward to CEVO updates as they come along.

I'll be doing both leagues next season.

[quote=Nahanni][quote=radium] If CEVO is to be taken seriously as a replacement for ESEA....[/quote]

Stop saying that CEVO is "replacing" ESEA!! That is not the goal or the focus!! ESEA can be here and is an important piece for invite. Again I think everyone recognizes that. CEVO needs to be supported for a community based league that ESEA is not currently giving. Period. If people want ESEA lan and ESEA then play it! No one is stopping you here. There should not be any reason why the community should be able to support CEVO in having a league they can call home. Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.[u]That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.[/u]

All this bickering back and forth because people have it in their heads it is one or the other. If teams choose CEVO over ESEA because of what happened then great. If they want to play both to keep ESEA going and help support CEVO then fine. If people just play ESEA and not support CEVO then I don't ever want to hear again how TF2 doesn't have a good community league and how ESEA is shit ever again!!!! CEVO and I are giving you an opportunity to build a league that is "community based and supported". It is simply up to the community to now step up to the plate, show their support and help us make it happen. If ESEA lives then great, our invite players can still fight it out for the lan that ESEA provides; then go for it guys! I wish you luck! I wish none of you any ill will and still hold you in high regard.[/quote]

Thank you for the clarification. This is the first time that I've heard someone say that CEVO is NOT going to replace ESEA. This needed to be said a while back. I look forward to CEVO updates as they come along.

I'll be doing both leagues next season.
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#311
6 Frags +
mNahanni Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.
im pretty sure the arguement has evolved past invite needing lan and more into tf2 needing invite

It is an interesting point of view that TF2 needs invite. No offense but if it wasn't for the support of OPEN, IM and MAIN teams there wouldn't be an invite with a prize pot of over 14k+. The lower brackets dont get the respect they all deserve. They are the foundation to invite. Isn't this the really big elephant in the room? I have always told new invite teams (new ones going into invite) that I have sponsored and all of you who know me should remember these words, "Dont ever forget where you have come from and who supported you getting here." If ESEA really does care about TF2 and Lan ect I guess they will keep things going! Hmmmmmmm funny how the world turns.

[quote=m][quote=Nahanni] Invite needs ESEA and lan as CEVO at this point cannot compete with the ESEA lan and prize pot. At least not at this point.[u]That does not mean it wont be able to in the future.[/quote]

im pretty sure the arguement has evolved past invite needing lan and more into tf2 needing invite[/quote]

It is an interesting point of view that TF2 needs invite. No offense but if it wasn't for the support of OPEN, IM and MAIN teams there wouldn't be an invite with a prize pot of over 14k+. The lower brackets dont get the respect they all deserve. They are the foundation to invite. Isn't this the really big elephant in the room? I have always told new invite teams (new ones going into invite) that I have sponsored and all of you who know me should remember these words, [i]"Dont ever forget where you have come from and who supported you getting here."[/i] If ESEA really does care about TF2 and Lan ect I guess they will keep things going! Hmmmmmmm funny how the world turns.
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#312
-16 Frags +

i played in open back before there was intermediate or main. i never expected to get respect for playing in open. i played with the goal of making invite in mind and finally getting recognized and noticed there. the only thing that should really be getting casted at all in open/im/main is playoffs. that's not to say if someone wants to cast a lower division game they shouldn't, the more casted games the merrier. but honestly its regular season and invite matches are played at a much higher skill level and more interesting to watch, if you want recognition get better and make invite. don't expect it handed to you while you're still playing against weaker competition.

thats not to say im trying to shit on newer players. but if your goal is to get recognized then keep practicing and keep getting better and eventually you will be. just enjoy it, have fun. honestly some of the most fun i had playing the game was back when i was in open/ugc. there was so much competition and i had clear goals that i wanted to achieve.

i played in open back before there was intermediate or main. i never expected to get respect for playing in open. i played with the goal of making invite in mind and finally getting recognized and noticed there. the only thing that should really be getting casted at all in open/im/main is playoffs. that's not to say if someone wants to cast a lower division game they shouldn't, the more casted games the merrier. but honestly its regular season and invite matches are played at a much higher skill level and more interesting to watch, if you want recognition get better and make invite. don't expect it handed to you while you're still playing against weaker competition.

thats not to say im trying to shit on newer players. but if your goal is to get recognized then keep practicing and keep getting better and eventually you will be. just enjoy it, have fun. honestly some of the most fun i had playing the game was back when i was in open/ugc. there was so much competition and i had clear goals that i wanted to achieve.
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#313
27 Frags +
harbleui played in open back before there was intermediate or main. i never expected to get respect for playing in open. i played with the goal of making invite in mind and finally getting recognized and noticed there. the only thing that should really be getting casted at all in open/im/main is playoffs. that's not to say if someone wants to cast a lower division game they shouldn't, the more casted games the merrier. but honestly its regular season and invite matches are played at a much higher skill level and more interesting to watch, if you want recognition get better and make invite. don't expect it handed to you while you're still playing against weaker competition.

to be honest, most of the invite matches this season have been boring as hell to watch

[quote=harbleu]i played in open back before there was intermediate or main. i never expected to get respect for playing in open. i played with the goal of making invite in mind and finally getting recognized and noticed there. the only thing that should really be getting casted at all in open/im/main is playoffs. that's not to say if someone wants to cast a lower division game they shouldn't, the more casted games the merrier. but honestly its regular season and invite matches are played at a much higher skill level and [b]more interesting to watch[/b], if you want recognition get better and make invite. don't expect it handed to you while you're still playing against weaker competition.[/quote]
to be honest, most of the invite matches this season have been boring as hell to watch
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#314
-7 Frags +
frknto be honest, most of the invite matches this season have been boring as hell to watch

depends, most of the ones with us/iT against other teams are. but the middle of the pack of invite is pretty competitive. i've enjoyed watching a lot of their matches.

[quote=frkn]to be honest, most of the invite matches this season have been boring as hell to watch[/quote]
depends, most of the ones with us/iT against other teams are. but the middle of the pack of invite is pretty competitive. i've enjoyed watching a lot of their matches.
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#315
26 Frags +
harbleuthats not to say im trying to shit on newer players. but if your goal is to get recognized then keep shitposting, hacking, trolling in pugs, and dicksucking.
[quote=harbleu]thats not to say im trying to shit on newer players. but if your goal is to get recognized then keep [b]shitposting, hacking, trolling in pugs, and dicksucking.[/b][/quote]
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#316
0 Frags +
harbleuHildrethUS is bigger than Europe and slightly more expensive, but for a country that prides itself for doing things bigger and better than any other nation on earth, it shouldn't be a problem right?you do know that nobody besides rednecks and idiots actually believes that, right? also did you just try to imply that pride will help pay the extra amount it costs to attend lan here? i'll have to let them know that next time i book my flight.HildrethRemember, I-series is to, a community LAN based in the UK in which during the summer, the European TF2 community has turned into the best TF2 event of the year.a community lan with tons of sponsor support and piggybacking off an already huge lan event. there are only 3 lans i can think of that have that here, and only one that is central. quakecon would be the only possible option right now. ETS and PAX are both east coast and would make it too hard for anyone from cali to attend.HildrethIt can be done, don't delude yourselves that is can't. It just requires people to actually pull out the stops and sacrifice things, even if it is mostly focusing on one side of the country to begin with, the others will flock in. For i-series, majority of people in attendance are from Western Europe but we do have a lot of Eastern/Central/Scandinavians attend. Only the community can make it happen though...again please don't try to compare european lans to american ones. flights in europe cost maybe half of what they do here. if a flight to texas only cost me $150 i would be fine paying the whole trip myself every 4 months. i agree a community driven lan is possible and i would love to see it happen, but to try and argue that because the i-series lan works that one would work as simply here is completely ignoring all of the differences between our continents. if we wanted to only have 1 huge lan a year like europe does then that's fine with me, but it better be a damn good one and people better attend. i feel that if we switched over to this new system everyone wants most people wouldn't even attend a lan because they're either too young or they wouldn't have $500 to pay for flights and hotels to attend it.

I-series is an example of the power of community in TF2, it's a worthwhile comparison to any community driven project. The differences in continent act only as barriers, a big community LAN with an attractive prize pool, a selection of invite players + a good amount of players attending AND ESEA LAN? Those two things together would be amazing.

Also why didn't you answer my questions for HL interview, I worked hard on them. :(

[quote=harbleu][quote=Hildreth]US is bigger than Europe and slightly more expensive, but for a country that prides itself for doing things bigger and better than any other nation on earth, it shouldn't be a problem right?[/quote]
you do know that nobody besides rednecks and idiots actually believes that, right? also did you just try to imply that pride will help pay the extra amount it costs to attend lan here? i'll have to let them know that next time i book my flight.
[quote=Hildreth]Remember, I-series is to, a community LAN based in the UK in which during the summer, the European TF2 community has turned into the best TF2 event of the year.[/quote]
a community lan with tons of sponsor support and piggybacking off an already huge lan event. there are only 3 lans i can think of that have that here, and only one that is central. quakecon would be the only possible option right now. ETS and PAX are both east coast and would make it too hard for anyone from cali to attend.
[quote=Hildreth]It can be done, don't delude yourselves that is can't. It just requires people to actually pull out the stops and sacrifice things, even if it is mostly focusing on one side of the country to begin with, the others will flock in. For i-series, majority of people in attendance are from Western Europe but we do have a lot of Eastern/Central/Scandinavians attend. Only the community can make it happen though...[/quote]
again please don't try to compare european lans to american ones. flights in europe cost maybe half of what they do here. if a flight to texas only cost me $150 i would be fine paying the whole trip myself every 4 months. i agree a community driven lan is possible and i would love to see it happen, but to try and argue that because the i-series lan works that one would work as simply here is completely ignoring all of the differences between our continents. if we wanted to only have 1 huge lan a year like europe does then that's fine with me, but it better be a damn good one and people better attend. i feel that if we switched over to this new system everyone wants most people wouldn't even attend a lan because they're either too young or they wouldn't have $500 to pay for flights and hotels to attend it.[/quote]

I-series is an example of the power of community in TF2, it's a worthwhile comparison to any community driven project. The differences in continent act only as barriers, a big community LAN with an attractive prize pool, a selection of invite players + a good amount of players attending AND ESEA LAN? Those two things together would be amazing.

Also why didn't you answer my questions for HL interview, I worked hard on them. :(
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#317
0 Frags +
TheFragileMR_SLIN
1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)

snip

thats why I said

MR_SLIN
If we don't need their league support and don't want LAN then as long as league support is taken care of in some other way there is no point in staying with ESEA.

I'm saying there's no point in staying with ESEA since we take care of all that stuff anyways. Or CEVO would have to. or whatever.

[quote=TheFragile][quote=MR_SLIN]

1. You want their league support (stats/match scheduling/pugs/scrim servers/forums/admins/support)

[/quote]

snip[/quote]

thats why I said

[quote=MR_SLIN]

If we don't need their league support and don't want LAN then as long as league support is taken care of in some other way there is no point in staying with ESEA.

[/quote]

I'm saying there's no point in staying with ESEA since we take care of all that stuff anyways. Or CEVO would have to. or whatever.
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#318
33 Frags +
harbleueither you're invite or you're bad and aren't worthy of any interest for casting purposes.... oh, unless it's playoffs

is it also a requirement, that if I want to make invite, I have to act like a complete condescending asshole?

[quote=harbleu]either you're invite or you're bad and aren't worthy of any interest for casting purposes.... oh, unless it's playoffs[/quote]

is it also a requirement, that if I want to make invite, I have to act like a complete condescending asshole?
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#319
8 Frags +

the main matches have been the most fun to watch and play in imo

the main matches have been the most fun to watch and play in imo
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#320
-11 Frags +
shocka1is it also a requirement, that if I want to make invite, I have to act like a complete condescending asshole?

im speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick. i was bad at this game. im not one of these players who was invite since the game came out. i started out at the bottom. again in no way was i trying to mock lower divisions, but the fact that they act so entitled to think they deserve to be casted over invite games is beyond me.

maybe i just had a different mentality back when i was new. i never thought a game of mine was worth casting until i made playoffs with vires s5 and got to the finals.

[quote=shocka1]is it also a requirement, that if I want to make invite, I have to act like a complete condescending asshole?[/quote]
im speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick. i was bad at this game. im not one of these players who was invite since the game came out. i started out at the bottom. again in no way was i trying to mock lower divisions, but the fact that they act so entitled to think they deserve to be casted over invite games is beyond me.

maybe i just had a different mentality back when i was new. i never thought a game of mine was worth casting until i made playoffs with vires s5 and got to the finals.
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#321
4 Frags +

have people been parading around begging to be casted? Most people I see asking for open matches to be casted aren't the players in that match, but rather people who want to watch it.

have people been parading around begging to be casted? Most people I see asking for open matches to be casted aren't the players in that match, but rather people who want to watch it.
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#322
7 Frags +

honestly not having a lan would be a joke, when are we ever going to witness this again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGmu9I7-qfE

honestly not having a lan would be a joke, when are we ever going to witness this again

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGmu9I7-qfE[/youtube]
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#323
2 Frags +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syk1A2VxOhc

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syk1A2VxOhc[/youtube]
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#324
1 Frags +
Mr_Owli can tell you that there are quite a few people who will play where the invite players play, because that's where the best competition is. Like it or not, they do hold a pretty sizable portion of the community in their hands,

If that's true and they are "leaders" (is that a fair term to give them, given that they have a sizeable portion of the community in their hands?) isn't their moral, or social responsibilities as leaders to do what's the best for everyone in the community? And since ESEA has acted unethically(breaking of consumer trust) shouldn't invite responsibly lead us away from ESEA?

Forgive me if there's something i'm missing, but if they are acting for the very best interest of their followers (as leaders usually should do) shouldn't they give up ESEA/ESEA lan. i mean i don't know lan won't magically make tf2 into a super E-sport title, so is its use pretty much for invite players? And if invite players just want to act out what's best for themselves(and not their followers which you apparently stated they have) shouldn't we just say fuck them?

I honestly don't care, however it seems like the defense for ESEA is invite players want a LAN, and therefore others should stick around to keep funding it. And apparently others actually will stick around just because invite players tell them to/stick around themselves?(that's just what i got from you saying other will follow them)

[quote=Mr_Owl]i can tell you that there are quite a few people who will play where the invite players play, because that's where the best competition is. Like it or not, [b]they do hold a pretty sizable portion of the community in their hands[/b], [/quote]


If that's true and they are "leaders" (is that a fair term to give them, given that they have a sizeable portion of the community in their hands?) isn't their moral, or social responsibilities as leaders to do what's the best for everyone in the community? And since ESEA has acted unethically(breaking of consumer trust) shouldn't invite responsibly lead us away from ESEA?

Forgive me if there's something i'm missing, but if they are acting for the very best interest of their followers (as leaders usually should do) shouldn't they give up ESEA/ESEA lan. i mean i don't know lan won't magically make tf2 into a super E-sport title, so is its use pretty much for invite players? And if invite players just want to act out what's best for themselves(and not their followers which you apparently stated they have) shouldn't we just say fuck them?

I honestly don't care, however it seems like the defense for ESEA is invite players want a LAN, and therefore others should stick around to keep funding it. And apparently others actually will stick around just because invite players tell them to/stick around themselves?(that's just what i got from you saying other will follow them)
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#325
22 Frags +
harbleuim speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick.

I didn't edit, I paraphrased for you.

harbleui was bad at this game.

now you're bad at being humble.

harbleuim not one of these players who was invite since the game came out. i started out at the bottom. again in no way was i trying to mock lower divisions, but the fact that they act so entitled to think they deserve to be casted over invite games is beyond me.

haven't seen this at all. as other people were stating, it gets requested by players OUTSIDE of the team that could get casted. and it has nothing to do with entitlement. Unlike Invite players who are so used to being casted that it is pretty much meaningless to them, us lower division shitties get excited when we might get casted.

harbleumaybe i just had a different mentality back when i was new. i never thought a game of mine was worth casting until i made playoffs with vires s5 and got to the finals.

that sounds completely subjective now doesn't it...

[quote=harbleu]im speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick. [/quote]

I didn't edit, I paraphrased for you.

[quote=harbleu]i was bad at this game.[/quote]
now you're bad at being humble.

[quote=harbleu]im not one of these players who was invite since the game came out. i started out at the bottom. again in no way was i trying to mock lower divisions, but the fact that they act so entitled to think they deserve to be casted over invite games is beyond me.[/quote]

haven't seen this at all. as other people were stating, it gets requested by players OUTSIDE of the team that could get casted. and it has nothing to do with entitlement. Unlike Invite players who are so used to being casted that it is pretty much meaningless to them, us lower division shitties get excited when we might get casted.

[quote=harbleu]maybe i just had a different mentality back when i was new. i never thought a game of mine was worth casting until i made playoffs with vires s5 and got to the finals.[/quote]

that sounds completely subjective now doesn't it...
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#326
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shocka1harbleuim speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick.
I didn't edit, I paraphrased for you.

then you did a really bad job at it, since you completely destroyed the original message/intent behind my post.

shocka1harbleui was bad at this game.now you're bad at being humble.

its not being humble when its true. or are you implying that i was never bad at this game? which if thats the case then thank you :3.

shocka1haven't seen this at all. as other people were stating, it gets requested by players OUTSIDE of the team that could get casted. and it has nothing to do with entitlement. Unlike Invite players who are so used to being casted that it is pretty much meaningless to them, us lower division shitties get excited when we might get casted.

thats sad that you refer to yourself as a shitty :( why would you do that? its still a sense of entitlement from lower level players in general that their matches deserve to be casted. nobody is stopping anyone from those divisions from casting games in their own division, but the truth is more people like watching NFL over high school football. its the same with invite and open.

[quote=shocka1][quote=harbleu]im speaking from past experience. good job editing my quote though to make me look like a dick. [/quote]

I didn't edit, I paraphrased for you.[/quote]
then you did a really bad job at it, since you completely destroyed the original message/intent behind my post.

[quote=shocka1][quote=harbleu]i was bad at this game.[/quote]
now you're bad at being humble.
[/quote]
its not being humble when its true. or are you implying that i was never bad at this game? which if thats the case then thank you :3.

[quote=shocka1]haven't seen this at all. as other people were stating, it gets requested by players OUTSIDE of the team that could get casted. and it has nothing to do with entitlement. Unlike Invite players who are so used to being casted that it is pretty much meaningless to them, us lower division shitties get excited when we might get casted.[/quote]
thats sad that you refer to yourself as a shitty :( why would you do that? its still a sense of entitlement from lower level players in general that their matches deserve to be casted. nobody is stopping anyone from those divisions from casting games in their own division, but the truth is more people like watching NFL over high school football. its the same with invite and open.
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#327
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i wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...

i wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...
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#328
huds.tf
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Bubbai wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...

Probably what he did in the mix^ thread

[quote=Bubba]i wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...[/quote]

Probably what he did in the [url=http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/14055-mix/14#post-415]mix^ thread[/url]
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#329
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omniBubbai wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...
Probably what he did in the mix^ thread

i don't thinkt aht's actually him

[quote=omni][quote=Bubba]i wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...[/quote]

Probably what he did in the [url=http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/14055-mix/14#post-415]mix^ thread[/url][/quote]
i don't thinkt aht's actually him
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#330
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omniBubbai wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...
Probably what he did in the mix^ thread

http://play.esea.net/users/4 not him

[quote=omni][quote=Bubba]i wonder what lpkane would do if he saw this thread...[/quote]

Probably what he did in the [url=http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/14055-mix/14#post-415]mix^ thread[/url][/quote]
http://play.esea.net/users/4 not him
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