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methodpine_beetleTo be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving then

well it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them

[quote=method][quote=pine_beetle]To be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.[/quote]
if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving then[/quote]
well it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them
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Bolshevikmethodpine_beetleTo be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving thenwell it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them

yeah, if they disclose it early enough i'm not going to become involved with them. I won't hate them or be any less their friend, I would just have no desire to be romantically involved with them. If they disclose it late enough, i'm going to feel betrayed and deceived, and they would no longer be the person that I thought I loved for it

doesn't make me a bigot

[quote=Bolshevik][quote=method][quote=pine_beetle]To be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.[/quote]
if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving then[/quote]
well it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them[/quote]
yeah, if they disclose it early enough i'm not going to become involved with them. I won't hate them or be any less their friend, I would just have no desire to be romantically involved with them. If they disclose it late enough, i'm going to feel betrayed and deceived, and they would no longer be the person that I thought I loved for it

doesn't make me a bigot
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Bolshevikmethodpine_beetleTo be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving thenwell it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them

It's a shitty situation for both parties involved

Like if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shit

Ofc it's not fair for me to say that you should be accepting/attracted of or to someone in that situation but yeah

Only way you can fix that is a fucking expensive surgery (or in the case of trans guys, an expensive fucking surgery that doesn't really give the desired results)

tl;dr dating sucks become a monk and shave your head

[quote=Bolshevik][quote=method][quote=pine_beetle]To be completely honest it would be a huge turn off if I found out the girl I was dating was a trans. It definitely would feel like I've been lied to. You can argue it's not lying blah blah, but you are hiding the truth and deceiving the person.[/quote]
if they disclose it to you early though, before youve put the dick in/kissed/on first date etc. its not really being decieving then[/quote]
well it wouldn't matter at that point would it? you would have made your decision if you wish to pursue a relationship with them[/quote]

It's a shitty situation for both parties involved

Like if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shit

Ofc it's not fair for me to say that you should be accepting/attracted of or to someone in that situation but yeah

Only way you can fix that is a fucking expensive surgery (or in the case of trans guys, an expensive fucking surgery that doesn't really give the desired results)

tl;dr dating sucks become a monk and shave your head
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destiny

destiny
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I haven't read anything in this thread, and the first thing I see is this:

NokomnLike if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shit

wtfffffffff

I haven't read anything in this thread, and the first thing I see is this:
[quote=Nokomn]Like if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shit[/quote]
wtfffffffff
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cage-I haven't read anything in this thread, and the first thing I see is this:NokomnLike if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shitwtfffffffff

I guess most people do not start a book at the last chapter.

Edit- I also feel like Smaka asks for a blood test before having sex with anyone, to only make sure they were never a man. I am starting this sentence without knowing a single thing about you, but from the way you think I am guessing you're still single at 30. This is not trying to shit on you, nor am I trying to hurt you personally, but I think everyone that dated if I have forced them to have a blood test they would be upset and likely leave me.

[quote=cage-]I haven't read anything in this thread, and the first thing I see is this:
[quote=Nokomn]Like if you just wanna have a normal dating life without everyone outright rejecting you because of your genitals and shit[/quote]
wtfffffffff[/quote]

I guess most people do not start a book at the last chapter.

Edit- I also feel like Smaka asks for a blood test before having sex with anyone, to only make sure they were never a man. I am starting this sentence without knowing a single thing about you, but from the way you think I am guessing you're still single at 30. This is not trying to shit on you, nor am I trying to hurt you personally, but I think everyone that dated if I have forced them to have a blood test they would be upset and likely leave me.
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I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.

I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.
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RhetoricalAnarchistI haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.

<3

[quote=RhetoricalAnarchist]I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.[/quote]

<3
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RhetoricalAnarchistI haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.

well said

[quote=RhetoricalAnarchist]I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.[/quote]
well said
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this thread gave me a huge headache from reading all the wall of text

this thread gave me a huge headache from reading all the wall of text
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RhetoricalAnarchistI haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.

Its easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....

[quote=RhetoricalAnarchist]I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.[/quote]

Its easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....
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SpaceCadetIts easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....

For sure. I can't say with any certainty that I could just resume a sexual relationship as before, but I would make an effort, because regardless of a physical difference, they would be mentally the same person, and that's the person I love.

[quote=SpaceCadet]Its easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....[/quote]

For sure. I can't say with any certainty that I could just resume a sexual relationship as before, but I would make an effort, because regardless of a physical difference, they would be mentally the same person, and that's the person I love.
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How old are you RhetoricalAnarchist?

Are you in a relationship?

Just wondering.

How old are you RhetoricalAnarchist?

Are you in a relationship?

Just wondering.
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I am eighteen Ruwin, and I am in a relationship of two years.

Edit: I'm not quite sure why Ruwin is getting minus frags, it was a valid question. It's always a good idea to examine the ethos of a rhetor, and he wanted to know what qualifications I had to speak on the subject, which are albeit limited.

I am eighteen Ruwin, and I am in a relationship of two years.

Edit: I'm not quite sure why Ruwin is getting minus frags, it was a valid question. It's always a good idea to examine the ethos of a rhetor, and he wanted to know what qualifications I had to speak on the subject, which are albeit limited.
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SpaceCadetRhetoricalAnarchistI haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.
Its easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....

"yogurt slinger" fucking genius

[quote=SpaceCadet][quote=RhetoricalAnarchist]I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.[/quote]

Its easy to say that now but I would think that when faced with the new yogurt slinger, things might change. Maybe I am just speaking for myself but who knows....[/quote]

"yogurt slinger" fucking genius
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if someone isn't looking for advice don't give them any.
assess your own lifestyle choices/personality. The best you can do is lead by example.
if you want to make impact on someones life you have to show them love. You won't be helping them choose what you believe they prefer by invalidating them and their choices.

Edit: spacing

if someone isn't looking for advice don't give them any.
assess your own lifestyle choices/personality. The best you can do is lead by example.
if you want to make impact on someones life you have to show them love. You won't be helping them choose what you believe they prefer by invalidating them and their choices.

Edit: spacing
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would you guys still love your gfs if they were secretly fat?

would you guys still love your gfs if they were secretly fat?
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this thread is triggering me (obese demisexual waterbottle)

the amount of thin privilege in this thread is actually disgusting. Smaka has an unbelievable amount of cisprivies and he needs to be dealt with. I felt dirty after reading this thread, it's almost as if I visited Texas.

Please lock, my ptsd (from highscool in the midwest) is flaring

this thread is triggering me (obese demisexual waterbottle)

the amount of thin privilege in this thread is actually disgusting. Smaka has an unbelievable amount of cisprivies and he needs to be dealt with. I felt dirty after reading this thread, it's almost as if I visited Texas.

Please lock, my ptsd (from highscool in the midwest) is flaring
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loljk
I don't think you know what the term prejudiced means.

prej
[quote=loljk]

I don't think you know what the term prejudiced means.

prej
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methodmy point is although you are technically right...

I respect that chromosomes aren't relevant to your life. It doesn't change that they are, and always will be, the sex that they were at birth, regardless of their societal gender role.

methodokay let me ask you this, what if you could change your chromosomes in the future to be equal to a woman? then even genetically they would be female sexd, does it still bother you?

It doesn't bother me now, and it wouldn't bother me in that situation, either. That person would still be male because they were born male. If science could grow them a uterus and give them the ability to have children and make them 100% female, I think I could consider them female. I still wouldn't want to be romantically involved with them knowing they were male at birth.

methodthis is the kind of stuff that comes off as bigoted really, again their is absolutely nothing about the person that really makes them male beyond chromosomes.And again the law backs it up, since trans women can get married in states where gay marriage is illegal.

I'm not really sure how you evaluate that into bigotry. I'm not putting them down, stepping on their toes, or trying to infringe upon their rights. It's OK that the law backs them up. I back them up, too. I hope they're happy with each other. I would just not consider a man straight when he is romantically involved with another man.

methodI obviously do not believe that, but its again one of those things where the only real difference is potentially chromosomal, and then at that point, when you look at all the different types of intersex people, you can't really just pick and chose which ones you percieve as men and women.

You keep saying that the only difference is chromosomal, but that's just not the case. I'm sure there are many, many transgender males who look female, but there is definitely more to differentiate them than chromosomes. I am not familiar with any existing surgeries to add fallopian tubes or ovaries to transgender men. I'm sure there is some surgical procedure to shave down an adam's apple, but I have never seen a transgender who didn't have a prominent adam's apple.

methodto summarize how i interpret your posts:

I just feel like you consider trans women men, and their is basically nothing that will change your opinion on that. You consider them to be men off of some basis that either they had male genitalia at some point, or due to chromosomes. Even though they could have potentially lived even their elementary school lives, and onward as their desired gender. Basically had every experience growing up socially similar to a female. etc

like its honestly just a really huge setback for trans rights and whatnot for people to just be like "oh they're still men"

I completely understand holding that opinion over a non-passable transwoman (ex. man in a dress), but for someone who successfully integrates into society as a woman there's just no real reason to hold that prejudice against them.

to me its vaguely the equivalent of not dating someone because they used to have some sort of facial deformity, or tumor or something, earlier in their life that they had to get fixed. (a stretch i know but yeah)

You are basically correct here. I do consider them men and there is absolutely nothing that will change that. I can steal a crown and gown and sit on a throne, but I am not a king. I could have been adopted by a king when I was a toddler, raised alongside a prince, schooled with the royal family, and I could grow up socially identical to a prince, but I'm not one. A somewhat archaic comparison, but similar nonetheless.

method
Out of curiosity try to answer this pretty outlandish hypothetical question.

if, in the future, they come out with brain transplants for trans people. And a trans woman gets her brain put into a cis female body. would you still consider them male? Keeping in mind that studies show that transgender individuals have brains that are generally more female than male--

If, in the future, your body became destroyed but your brain could be placed into a female body to save your life, would you still be yourself or would you be the female whose body you're in? This is a tough hypothetical that there's really no way for me to answer without being called out and having my answer reapplied to other instances.

On the one hand, if I respond that I think they're still male, the retort becomes that in another hypothetical, I stated I could consider them female if they had ovaries and everything else. If I respond that I think they're female, the retort becomes that a transgender person is already one sex trapped in the opposite body. Fortunately this is an unlikely scenario, so I don't have to pick one. :p

Nokomn

Nah, it doesn't matter who you find attractive. I don't use the word 'pretty' to define anything masculine. I won't argue with you if you call a guy pretty, but it won't be a word I choose to describe that.

Fzero
Edit- I also feel like Smaka asks for a blood test before having sex with anyone, to only make sure they were never a man. I am starting this sentence without knowing a single thing about you, but from the way you think I am guessing you're still single at 30. This is not trying to shit on you, nor am I trying to hurt you personally, but I think everyone that dated if I have forced them to have a blood test they would be upset and likely leave me.

Errr, what? I don't know why you are assuming that because I have these feelings, I let this dominate every moment of my life. In reality, I very very rarely even think about this. I have, to my knowledge, never mistaken a transgender man for a female. I have never 'asked for a blood test' nor do I intend to do so. I do, however, look for obvious signs like an adam's apple. If I get fooled, shame on me.

I am single at 30, but not for the reason you assume. My fiancee received an incredible job offer when she was studying abroad and I opted not to uproot my entire life and move to another country--which I kind of regret now, actually.

RhetoricalAnarchistI haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.

I do agree that love and sex are completely separate. The difference here is that you're suggesting you're in a loving relationship and she wants to, openly, make that change. The situations described before involve willful deceit. Would you continue to love her if she cheated on you? Maybe you would, but many would not. In the situation you describe, I would probably continue to love the person for who they are, but I would not want to continue a romantic relationship with them.

[quote=method]
my point is although you are technically right...
[/quote]

I respect that chromosomes aren't relevant to your life. It doesn't change that they are, and always will be, the sex that they were at birth, regardless of their societal gender role.

[quote=method]
okay let me ask you this, what if you could change your chromosomes in the future to be equal to a woman? then even genetically they would be female sexd, does it still bother you?
[/quote]

It doesn't bother me now, and it wouldn't bother me in that situation, either. That person would still be male because they were born male. If science could grow them a uterus and give them the ability to have children and make them 100% female, I think I could consider them female. I still wouldn't want to be romantically involved with them knowing they were male at birth.

[quote=method]
this is the kind of stuff that comes off as bigoted really, again their is absolutely nothing about the person that really makes them male beyond chromosomes.And again the law backs it up, since trans women can get married in states where gay marriage is illegal.
[/quote]

I'm not really sure how you evaluate that into bigotry. I'm not putting them down, stepping on their toes, or trying to infringe upon their rights. It's OK that the law backs them up. I back them up, too. I hope they're happy with each other. I would just not consider a man straight when he is romantically involved with another man.

[quote=method]
I obviously do not believe that, but its again one of those things where the only real difference is potentially chromosomal, and then at that point, when you look at all the different types of intersex people, you can't really just pick and chose which ones you percieve as men and women.
[/quote]

You keep saying that the only difference is chromosomal, but that's just not the case. I'm sure there are many, many transgender males who look female, but there is definitely more to differentiate them than chromosomes. I am not familiar with any existing surgeries to add fallopian tubes or ovaries to transgender men. I'm sure there is some surgical procedure to shave down an adam's apple, but I have never seen a transgender who didn't have a prominent adam's apple.

[quote=method]
to summarize how i interpret your posts:

I just feel like you consider trans women men, and their is basically nothing that will change your opinion on that. You consider them to be men off of some basis that either they had male genitalia at some point, or due to chromosomes. Even though they could have potentially lived even their elementary school lives, and onward as their desired gender. Basically had every experience growing up socially similar to a female. etc

like its honestly just a really huge setback for trans rights and whatnot for people to just be like "oh they're still men"

I completely understand holding that opinion over a non-passable transwoman (ex. man in a dress), but for someone who successfully integrates into society as a woman there's just no real reason to hold that prejudice against them.

to me its vaguely the equivalent of not dating someone because they used to have some sort of facial deformity, or tumor or something, earlier in their life that they had to get fixed. (a stretch i know but yeah)
[/quote]

You are basically correct here. I do consider them men and there is absolutely nothing that will change that. I can steal a crown and gown and sit on a throne, but I am not a king. I could have been adopted by a king when I was a toddler, raised alongside a prince, schooled with the royal family, and I could grow up socially identical to a prince, but I'm not one. A somewhat archaic comparison, but similar nonetheless.


[quote=method]

Out of curiosity try to answer this pretty outlandish hypothetical question.

if, in the future, they come out with brain transplants for trans people. And a trans woman gets her brain put into a cis female body. would you still consider them male? Keeping in mind that studies show that transgender individuals have brains that are generally more female than male--
[/quote]

If, in the future, your body became destroyed but your brain could be placed into a female body to save your life, would you still be yourself or would you be the female whose body you're in? This is a tough hypothetical that there's really no way for me to answer without being called out and having my answer reapplied to other instances.

On the one hand, if I respond that I think they're still male, the retort becomes that in another hypothetical, I stated I could consider them female if they had ovaries and everything else. If I respond that I think they're female, the retort becomes that a transgender person is already one sex trapped in the opposite body. Fortunately this is an unlikely scenario, so I don't have to pick one. :p

[quote=Nokomn]
[/quote]
Nah, it doesn't matter who you find attractive. I don't use the word 'pretty' to define anything masculine. I won't argue with you if you call a guy pretty, but it won't be a word I choose to describe that.

[quote=Fzero]

Edit- I also feel like Smaka asks for a blood test before having sex with anyone, to only make sure they were never a man. I am starting this sentence without knowing a single thing about you, but from the way you think I am guessing you're still single at 30. This is not trying to shit on you, nor am I trying to hurt you personally, but I think everyone that dated if I have forced them to have a blood test they would be upset and likely leave me.[/quote]

Errr, what? I don't know why you are assuming that because I have these feelings, I let this dominate every moment of my life. In reality, I very very rarely even think about this. I have, to my knowledge, never mistaken a transgender man for a female. I have never 'asked for a blood test' nor do I intend to do so. I do, however, look for obvious signs like an adam's apple. If I get fooled, shame on me.

I am single at 30, but not for the reason you assume. My fiancee received an incredible job offer when she was studying abroad and I opted not to uproot my entire life and move to another country--which I kind of regret now, actually.

[quote=RhetoricalAnarchist]I haven't had time to read this entire thread, but I have seen the idea of love thrown around a lot, and its relations to genitals. You can love someone without having a sexual relationship. In fact, in my opinion love and sex are entirely separate things. From a sexual standpoint, a relationship with a trans person can be an awkward ordeal, however that should never deter a person from loving them. I actually had a conversation with my girlfriend a while ago where she asked that if she became a trans guy would I still love her, and I said yes of course. She asked if I would still have sex with her, and while I couldn't say yes immediately, given a little bit of time to get used to her change I would. This was all hypothetical though, she very much identifies and is happy as a woman, so I guess it's easier for me to say that now than to have it actually happen.[/quote]

I do agree that love and sex are completely separate. The difference here is that you're suggesting you're in a loving relationship and she wants to, openly, make that change. The situations described before involve willful deceit. Would you continue to love her if she cheated on you? Maybe you would, but many would not. In the situation you describe, I would probably continue to love the person for who they are, but I would not want to continue a romantic relationship with them.
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fucking pATRIARCHY SMAKA

fucking pATRIARCHY SMAKA
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;)

;)
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i really am on tumblr

i really am on tumblr
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wow reading this thread was a total waste of an hour

time to go to bed and be less fat tomorrow than I was today

Gotta lose them xtra pounds to make my waifu proud

wow reading this thread was a total waste of an hour

time to go to bed and be less fat tomorrow than I was today


Gotta lose them xtra pounds to make my waifu proud
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meh

I think it sucks that you consider trans women men but hey, it's your opinion

I'll show myself out now nothing else to see here

meh

I think it sucks that you consider trans women men but hey, it's your opinion

I'll show myself out now nothing else to see here
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Cat shaming

http://i.imgur.com/pHZjR.jpg

Cat shaming

[img]http://i.imgur.com/pHZjR.jpg[/img]
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note to thread starters on tf.tv: don't start threads on tf.tv or it will turn into this

note to thread starters on tf.tv: don't start threads on tf.tv or it will turn into this
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smakaErrr, what? I don't know why you are assuming that because I have these feelings, I let this dominate every moment of my life. In reality, I very very rarely even think about this.

thats exactly it though!!! i think you might just be a tactless dbag and not a bigot

it costs next to nothing to refer to a person as the gender they want and means absolutely everything to them; its not a frivoulous decision and people dont take hormones and get their genitals surgically altered as a joke. youve already said that you realize lgbt people have been dealt a shit hand in life so its really just a question of politeness respect and common courtesy. youre free to have your own opinions on the matter but dont act surprised that people argue about things that matter so much more to them than they should to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E

[quote=smaka]Errr, what? I don't know why you are assuming that because I have these feelings, I let this dominate every moment of my life. In reality, I very very rarely even think about this. [/quote]
thats exactly it though!!! i think you might just be a tactless dbag and not a bigot

it costs next to nothing to refer to a person as the gender they want and means absolutely everything to them; its not a frivoulous decision and people dont take hormones and get their genitals surgically altered as a joke. youve already said that you realize lgbt people have been dealt a shit hand in life so its really just a question of politeness respect and common courtesy. youre free to have your own opinions on the matter but dont act surprised that people argue about things that matter so much more to them than they should to you.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQl5aYhkF3E[/youtube]
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So lying is politeness and respect? You can say it costs nothing and you can argue appearance and social acceptance and call him a bigot tactless dbag all you want. A lie is a lie, whether it is the courteous thing or not.

So lying is politeness and respect? You can say it costs nothing and you can argue appearance and social acceptance and call him a bigot tactless dbag all you want. A lie is a lie, whether it is the courteous thing or not.
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