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How's the comp scene these days?
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Hey y'all,

I used to play way back in the day, around ESEA Seasons 6-13 timeframe. I didn't pay attention for 8 years or so and I'm surprised to see this site still active and it looks like folks are still playing 6v6. Hows the state of 6s comp? How do leagues handle all the new items and whatnot? I swear I saw someone say something about a pocket scout, is that the meta now?

Hey y'all,

I used to play way back in the day, around ESEA Seasons 6-13 timeframe. I didn't pay attention for 8 years or so and I'm surprised to see this site still active and it looks like folks are still playing 6v6. Hows the state of 6s comp? How do leagues handle all the new items and whatnot? I swear I saw someone say something about a pocket scout, is that the meta now?
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#2
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ESEA is dead, RGL has taken it's place and has had questionable admin decisions according to many. Scout is arguably the most powerful class in the game, though demoman still deals the most damage. Soldiers are the most mobile but definitely the weakest class in the meta. The medic now runs at scout's speed if they're healing a scout so having a dedicated pocket scout to take ubers/catch the medic up to a bomber is meta. This relegates the other scout to play more on the flank, working with the roamer to do flank things. There are item whitelists that ban a few overpowered weapons, but most of the non-banned weapons are worse than stock, with the exception of things like the gunboats and the crusader's crossbow. I'm a fairly new player so I'm not sure how it exactly compares to 8-10 years ago, but that seems like a decent summary of modern 6s. If anyone wants to add anything else, please do so.

Also the map pool has changed a lot, with three KoTH maps currently in rotation alongside 5cp maps, which still reign king.

ESEA is dead, RGL has taken it's place and has had questionable admin decisions according to many. Scout is arguably the most powerful class in the game, though demoman still deals the most damage. Soldiers are the most mobile but definitely the weakest class in the meta. The medic now runs at scout's speed if they're healing a scout so having a dedicated pocket scout to take ubers/catch the medic up to a bomber is meta. This relegates the other scout to play more on the flank, working with the roamer to do flank things. There are item whitelists that ban a few overpowered weapons, but most of the non-banned weapons are worse than stock, with the exception of things like the gunboats and the crusader's crossbow. I'm a fairly new player so I'm not sure how it exactly compares to 8-10 years ago, but that seems like a decent summary of modern 6s. If anyone wants to add anything else, please do so.

Also the map pool has changed a lot, with three KoTH maps currently in rotation alongside 5cp maps, which still reign king.
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#3
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every team has to have at least one pedophile now

every team has to have at least one pedophile now
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#4
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Cant speak on Europe, but for NA esea stopped supporting tf2 after s31 and has been replaced by a league called RGL. There's been a lot of resistance and everyone hates them because of the admins and some drama but the numbers are doing really well with the lower divs taking in a lot of new players. LANs in generally kinda died after ESEA stopped theirs, and RGLs attempt at running their own LANs was stopped by covid. I'm still pretty hopeful that RGL will start running LANs once covid settles, and RGL is also supposed to be releasing a new pug system soon (within this year most likely) which will probably do a lot to grow the lower divs.

Scouts are really powerful. Pocket scout (you heard right) has replaced pocket soldier as the "leader" of the team. Flank scout has taken a more active role and coordination between scouts and how the they capitalize on openings is what defines a lot of teams. In general, scouts have become the aggressors while soldiers set up and support the scouts. There's been some changes to the whitelist, new items, reworks, disagreements over rules, new maps, but the game is still recognizable. The main difference I noticed between old and modern demos is that the team coordination looks more mature if that makes sense. It probably wont be as bad as what you might hear, but it will be a culture shock for sure. (take this part with a grain of salt because I'm not very good and never played back then; basing most of this off watching demos and what I've heard)

b4nny made a team called Froyotech and has dominated most seasons since. A lot of good players came in and out and some releases like Overwatch cut down a lot of the top players, but there's been some good storylines and matches are still fun to watch.

b4nny seems to be the only thing keeping comp tf2 relevant with new and casual players at this point. His stream is the only significant tf2 stream and unfortunately he's been hinting quite a bit that he's looking to move away from tf2 sometime soon. He painted RGL as tf2's "only hope", which I think has some truth to it, and I think if RGL doesn't deliver with their big promises of lans and inclusive pugs then comp tf2 could stagnate and slowly fall out of relevance. It also doesn't help that Valve stuck their foot in the door and dropped a half-baked competitive matchmaking mode, but hasn't done anything significant in about 3 and a half years. It's a situation similar to Smash Melee where some people want to try and work with unresponsive devs while others want to make a full promod.

Comp tf2 is in a precarious position right now. On one hand, RGL is doing and promising a lot to grow the game with new players, but covid has stopped a lot of progress, RGL is hated by most of the established players, and Valve doesn't really seem to notice us anymore. But ultimately I'm pretty hopeful for the future of tf2 (could be blind hope for rgl though), and if you're looking to play again now is about as good as ever.

Cant speak on Europe, but for NA esea stopped supporting tf2 after s31 and has been replaced by a league called RGL. There's been a lot of resistance and everyone hates them because of the admins and some drama but the numbers are doing really well with the lower divs taking in a lot of new players. LANs in generally kinda died after ESEA stopped theirs, and RGLs attempt at running their own LANs was stopped by covid. I'm still pretty hopeful that RGL will start running LANs once covid settles, and RGL is also supposed to be releasing a new pug system soon (within this year most likely) which will probably do a lot to grow the lower divs.

Scouts are really powerful. Pocket scout (you heard right) has replaced pocket soldier as the "leader" of the team. Flank scout has taken a more active role and coordination between scouts and how the they capitalize on openings is what defines a lot of teams. In general, scouts have become the aggressors while soldiers set up and support the scouts. There's been some changes to the whitelist, new items, reworks, disagreements over rules, new maps, but the game is still recognizable. The main difference I noticed between old and modern demos is that the team coordination looks more mature if that makes sense. It probably wont be as bad as what you might hear, but it will be a culture shock for sure. (take this part with a grain of salt because I'm not very good and never played back then; basing most of this off watching demos and what I've heard)

b4nny made a team called Froyotech and has dominated most seasons since. A lot of good players came in and out and some releases like Overwatch cut down a lot of the top players, but there's been some good storylines and matches are still fun to watch.

b4nny seems to be the only thing keeping comp tf2 relevant with new and casual players at this point. His stream is the only significant tf2 stream and unfortunately he's been hinting quite a bit that he's looking to move away from tf2 sometime soon. He painted RGL as tf2's "only hope", which I think has some truth to it, and I think if RGL doesn't deliver with their big promises of lans and inclusive pugs then comp tf2 could stagnate and slowly fall out of relevance. It also doesn't help that Valve stuck their foot in the door and dropped a half-baked competitive matchmaking mode, but hasn't done anything significant in about 3 and a half years. It's a situation similar to Smash Melee where some people want to try and work with unresponsive devs while others want to make a full promod.

Comp tf2 is in a precarious position right now. On one hand, RGL is doing and promising a lot to grow the game with new players, but covid has stopped a lot of progress, RGL is hated by most of the established players, and Valve doesn't really seem to notice us anymore. But ultimately I'm pretty hopeful for the future of tf2 (could be blind hope for rgl though), and if you're looking to play again now is about as good as ever.
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#5
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Hey, you hit your head pretty hard there! Whats this talk about "pocket scout" and rgl? Haha its 2012 lets go play inhouse pugs until 8 am

Hey, you hit your head pretty hard there! Whats this talk about "pocket scout" and rgl? Haha its 2012 lets go play inhouse pugs until 8 am
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#6
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in eu if u're licking each other ass u're high

in eu if u're licking each other ass u're high
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#7
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you deleted your comment but I know what you said...

you deleted your comment but I know what you said...
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#8
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Lupusyou deleted your comment but I know what you said...

it's downvote immidiatly cuz it's true)))

[quote=Lupus]you deleted your comment but I know what you said...[/quote]
it's downvote immidiatly cuz it's true)))
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TFNew
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not sure if the timeframe of you playing included i46 or not but in 2012 2 NA teams went to EU for the summer iseries lan and this trend has continued with international competition happening every year until 2020.

not sure if the timeframe of you playing included i46 or not but in 2012 2 NA teams went to EU for the summer iseries lan and this trend has continued with international competition happening every year until 2020.
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#10
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lots of cheaters...

lots of cheaters...
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#11
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JWBnot sure if the timeframe of you playing included i46 or not but in 2012 2 NA teams went to EU for the summer iseries lan and this trend has continued with international competition happening every year until 2020.

How could I forget the time we raised over 20k to watch Classic Mixup bitchslap a herd of euros?

[quote=JWB]not sure if the timeframe of you playing included i46 or not but in 2012 2 NA teams went to EU for the summer iseries lan and this trend has continued with international competition happening every year until 2020.[/quote]

How could I forget the time we raised over 20k to watch Classic Mixup bitchslap a herd of euros?
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#12
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#13
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i have this weird memory of you swedes idk, do you live in PA? and are you IRL friends with ghos7ayama?

i have this weird memory of you swedes idk, do you live in PA? and are you IRL friends with ghos7ayama?
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#14
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messiahi have this weird memory of you swedes idk, do you live in PA? and are you IRL friends with ghos7ayama?

I lived in VA when I played. I recognize the name ghos7ayama but I don't know him.

[quote=messiah]i have this weird memory of you swedes idk, do you live in PA? and are you IRL friends with ghos7ayama?[/quote]

I lived in VA when I played. I recognize the name ghos7ayama but I don't know him.
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#15
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i remember you, i think you were a scout player right?

i remember you, i think you were a scout player right?
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#16
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Hot shit its swedes

Hot shit its swedes
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#17
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phobiai remember you, i think you were a scout player right?

I played mostly soldier, but near the end I played a little demo and some scout.

[quote=phobia]i remember you, i think you were a scout player right?[/quote]

I played mostly soldier, but near the end I played a little demo and some scout.
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#18
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hey you were harbleu's friend right?

hey you were harbleu's friend right?
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#19
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mustardoverlordhey you were harbleu's friend right?

Yeah

[quote=mustardoverlord]hey you were harbleu's friend right?[/quote]
Yeah
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