Hopefully, this will be the last we ever hear about about the giant shitfest.
Here is the result:
Clockwork: Banned for 2 days for Invite Conduct Policy. Coming into mumble and saying faggot 4 times. Although I understand his frustration and probably would have done exactly the same, there's a time and a place.
Justin: Banned for 7 days for Invite Conduct Policy. Coming into mumble uninvited to disrupt the cast. The reason Justin't ban is longer than Clockwork's is because he intentionally went in to ruin the cast, clock was just pissed.
Fully Torqued: Fined 2.5%. It probably should have been more but this is what we've been authorized to take. The evidence was damning but not enough to take a huge chunk. This should be regarded as more of a warning shot than anything, seed fixing will be not be tolerated.
Off-Classing in Invite: If ft were just off classing but there was no evidence to show that they were also intentionally throwing to fix the seeds, there would be no fine. With that said, Carson and I have begun discussions on next season's policy for Invite off classing. This is obviously a tricky subject, the players pay to do as they wish but, just as Invite Conduct Policy rules, they are to be held to higher standard than the rest of us common folks. More news will be released closer to the start of S14.
Looking forward to an exciting playoffs and an amazing LAN!
Hopefully, this will be the last we ever hear about about the giant shitfest.
Here is the result:
Clockwork: Banned for 2 days for Invite Conduct Policy. Coming into mumble and saying faggot 4 times. Although I understand his frustration and probably would have done exactly the same, there's a time and a place.
Justin: Banned for 7 days for Invite Conduct Policy. Coming into mumble uninvited to disrupt the cast. The reason Justin't ban is longer than Clockwork's is because he intentionally went in to ruin the cast, clock was just pissed.
Fully Torqued: Fined 2.5%. It probably should have been more but this is what we've been authorized to take. The evidence was damning but not enough to take a huge chunk. This should be regarded as more of a warning shot than anything, seed fixing will be not be tolerated.
Off-Classing in Invite: If ft were just off classing but there was no evidence to show that they were also intentionally throwing to fix the seeds, there would be no fine. With that said, Carson and I have begun discussions on next season's policy for Invite off classing. This is obviously a tricky subject, the players pay to do as they wish but, just as Invite Conduct Policy rules, they are to be held to higher standard than the rest of us common folks. More news will be released closer to the start of S14.
Looking forward to an exciting playoffs and an amazing LAN!
MAN OH MAN, I AM FUCKING MAD.
MAN OH MAN, I AM FUCKING MAD.
Killing, do keep in mind that off-classing may be entirely necessary for teams. Say your demo main goes on vacation for two weeks. Some teams might very understandably switch almost everyone's role on the team for the matches in the interim period. Instead of a policy banning specific things (i.e. off-classing), maybe think about having a subjectively judged policy requiring teams give an "honest effort" at the invite level.
Killing, do keep in mind that off-classing may be entirely necessary for teams. Say your demo main goes on vacation for two weeks. Some teams might very understandably switch almost everyone's role on the team for the matches in the interim period. Instead of a policy banning specific things (i.e. off-classing), maybe think about having a subjectively judged policy requiring teams give an "honest effort" at the invite level.
I could understand rules for off-classing during match of the week. Maybe additional penalties for off-classing while clearly throwing the game would be worthwhile.
I could understand rules for off-classing during match of the week. Maybe additional penalties for off-classing while clearly throwing the game would be worthwhile.
Banning offclassing is indeed a tricky subject indeed.
Banning offclassing is indeed a tricky subject indeed.
Banning off classing isn't that tricky. There is a difference between having a single person playing a different class (animeman on demo) and having your entire team attempting to throw the game. Don't ascribe it to quantitative measures or force people to announce their main heading into the season or something, just make it known that if you throw the game you're going to be penalized.
If that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.
Banning off classing isn't that tricky. There is a difference between having a single person playing a different class (animeman on demo) and having your entire team attempting to throw the game. Don't ascribe it to quantitative measures or force people to announce their main heading into the season or something, just make it known that if you throw the game you're going to be penalized.
If that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.
^ ??????? that's never going to happen
^ ??????? that's never going to happen
wait so the ban is from now? so clocks 2 days doesn't really affect him at all?
wait so the ban is from now? so clocks 2 days doesn't really affect him at all?
2 days or 2 matches? Or meaning a ban from using the pugs that no one uses?
2 days or 2 matches? Or meaning a ban from using the pugs that no one uses?
@Dunder
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clock obviously can't use ESEA's premium pug service while he is banned?
@Dunder
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clock obviously can't use ESEA's premium pug service while he is banned?
And here I was thinking Ggglygy actually did it.
And here I was thinking Ggglygy actually did it.
Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh. They can do what they want in their matches. They shouldn't be worried about ESEA getting involved, as the players are paying to play. They shouldn't be worried about anything other than the community and the spectators being super pissed.
my 2 cents
Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh. They can do what they want in their matches. They shouldn't be worried about ESEA getting involved, as the players are paying to play. They shouldn't be worried about anything other than the community and the spectators being super pissed.
my 2 cents
CanFoBanning offclassing is indeed a tricky subject indeed.
If it's left to the discretion of the admins, then I don't think it's actually that tricky. There's a difference between having your scouts run heavy and sniper on least and having every player on your team play classes that differ from what they'd been all season prior. It shouldn't be too hard for the admins to make a decision, and I think the punishments they levied here were entirely fair.
Edit: That's not to say that all instances of offclassing like FT should receive punishments, but if they're going to alter the seeding going into lan then I think it should be understandable.
[quote=CanFo]Banning offclassing is indeed a tricky subject indeed.[/quote]
If it's left to the discretion of the admins, then I don't think it's actually that tricky. There's a difference between having your scouts run heavy and sniper on least and having every player on your team play classes that differ from what they'd been all season prior. It shouldn't be too hard for the admins to make a decision, and I think the punishments they levied here were entirely fair.
Edit: That's not to say that all instances of offclassing like FT should receive punishments, but if they're going to alter the seeding going into lan then I think it should be understandable.
2sy_morphiendIf that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.
I played in both of those... I've been killing eSports all along.
sry tttttttteeeeeaaaaammmm
[quote=2sy_morphiend]If that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.[/quote]
I played in both of those... I've been killing eSports all along.
sry tttttttteeeeeaaaaammmm
PAN SCOUT LEGEND
i remember going through that demo to get timestamps and once he would've killed someone but twitched like 90 degreed away from them right before it hit and he died cause of it
i pay too much attention
PAN SCOUT LEGEND
i remember going through that demo to get timestamps and once he would've killed someone but twitched like 90 degreed away from them right before it hit and he died cause of it
i pay too much attention
Lange2sy_morphiendIf that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.
I played in both of those... I've been killing eSports all along.
sry tttttttteeeeeaaaaammmm
and so the real villain was lange all along
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[quote=Lange][quote=2sy_morphiend]If that means we don't get ghos7 on pan scout or get to watch AG run 5 heavies on badlands again then so be it, at least we don't have to deal with people throwing matches.[/quote]
I played in both of those... I've been killing eSports all along.
sry tttttttteeeeeaaaaammmm[/quote]
and so the real villain was lange all along
directed by m. night shymalainamalian
Fox@Dunder
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clock obviously can't use ESEA's premium pug service while he is banned?
it's ok guys music time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsaB0Uune8
[quote=Fox]@Dunder
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clock obviously can't use ESEA's premium pug service while he is banned?[/quote]
it's ok guys music time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrsaB0Uune8
ESEA should really let all invite players play for free without having to pay league fee's and premium if they wish to:
a) Help make TF2 a more legitimate e-sport
b) Mandate penalties and fines for off classing and seed fixing
If you pay for a service, you should have the right to off class as you please and choose to play to win or play to loose. How can you justify telling someone "pay to play in this league but you can't play any class you wish"
Taking away the fee that invite players must play to participate in ESEA will aliviate these problems and allow ESEA more power and and control to mandate such things as fines and penalties, punishment for playing to lose and off classing.
ESEA should really let all invite players play for free without having to pay league fee's and premium if they wish to:
a) Help make TF2 a more legitimate e-sport
b) Mandate penalties and fines for off classing and seed fixing
If you pay for a service, you should have the right to off class as you please and choose to play to win or play to loose. How can you justify telling someone "pay to play in this league but you can't play any class you wish"
Taking away the fee that invite players must play to participate in ESEA will aliviate these problems and allow ESEA more power and and control to mandate such things as fines and penalties, punishment for playing to lose and off classing.
Invite players already get free premium, if they didn't have to pay fees then ESEA would be losing even MORE money on TF2.
Invite players already get free premium, if they didn't have to pay fees then ESEA would be losing even MORE money on TF2.
fees go towards the prize pot, really
the only "problem" is the way the league is even currently set up right now, once someone's secured a LAN spot they don't have to worry about the rest of the season. that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's connected to incidents like this, and punishing players for treating their matches insincerely is totally reasonable if they "get away" with it in terms of whether they get to be part of the tournament.
fees go towards the prize pot, really
the only "problem" is the way the league is even currently set up right now, once someone's secured a LAN spot they don't have to worry about the rest of the season. that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's connected to incidents like this, and punishing players for treating their matches insincerely is totally reasonable if they "get away" with it in terms of whether they get to be part of the tournament.
Next time my team loses I'm going to submit a ticket that they threw the match for seedings just so my team has to pay 2.5% for being bad.
Next time my team loses I'm going to submit a ticket that they threw the match for seedings just so my team has to pay 2.5% for being bad.
if your team was fined for being bad rr- would owe ESEA money
if your team was fined for being bad rr- would owe ESEA money
TwitchTVJohnAgree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.
ESEA_RULESWe reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.
[quote=TwitchTVJohn]Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.[/quote]
[quote=ESEA_RULES]We reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.[/quote]
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.
Off-classing should be ok if the teams agree to have a fun match like mix^ and those other guys imo
Off-classing should be ok if the teams agree to have a fun match like mix^ and those other guys imo
frknTwitchTVJohnAgree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.
ESEA_RULESWe reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.
Teams in professional sports throw games to get the seed they want for the playoffs. This is not something new in esports or real sports for that matter. These teams do not get fined for this.
[quote=frkn][quote=TwitchTVJohn]Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.[/quote]
[quote=ESEA_RULES]We reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.[/quote]
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.[/quote]
Teams in professional sports throw games to get the seed they want for the playoffs. This is not something new in esports or real sports for that matter. These teams do not get fined for this.
TwitchTVJohnfrknTwitchTVJohnAgree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.
ESEA_RULESWe reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.
Teams in professional sports throw games to get the seed they want for the playoffs. This is not something new in esports or real sports for that matter. These teams do not get fined for this.
This is true but I would still argue that it is not good sportsmanship. Which is required by the rules. I don't care either way on the fine. *shrug*
[quote=TwitchTVJohn][quote=frkn][quote=TwitchTVJohn]Agree with everything but the FT fine. Really, unless it's stated in the conduct policy that they aren't allowed to throw a match/not take it seriously, the fine is meh.[/quote]
[quote=ESEA_RULES]We reserve the right to change, modify, or adapt all rules as deemed appropriate by ESEA in order to uphold and maintain a spirit of overall fairness and good sportsmanship.
All players and teams are to uphold the spirit of fair play at all times.[/quote]
Throwing a match/seed fixing is not in a spirit of fairness and good sportsmanship.[/quote]
Teams in professional sports throw games to get the seed they want for the playoffs. This is not something new in esports or real sports for that matter. These teams do not get fined for this.[/quote]
This is true but I would still argue that it is not good sportsmanship. Which is required by the rules. I don't care either way on the fine. *shrug*