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What happened with Episode III
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Recently it became apparent to me that there is still some confusion and frustration regarding the disappointment of the Episode III event. I thought I'd share my story to hopefully shed some light on it.

From the outset, Wade (of Rewind fame) offered to put me in touch with a venue in Long Beach who might be open to putting on a TF2 event. Shortly after I agreed, I was asked not to contact Thunder Gaming, and instead Brian (therat) from Matcherino was going to be in charge of the project and handle all the logistics and communications. It was also around this time that we spoke to Esports Arena, and one of the staff remaining did agree that it was extremely unlikely they would ever hold a TF2 event there again (due to internal politics and not actually our fault).

While we were very excited for the opportunity to create a new event, the process of releasing the teaser video at i63 made it immediately clear to me that I was going to have no direct control of the event or its planning in any way; I was only there to get the community to agree to whatever Matcherino wanted to do. I wasn't allowed to see or speak with the venue, review their contract (if there ever was one no one knows) or make any decision that directly impacted the event. Every detail was to go through Brian and therefore Matcherino. In exchange, there were a lot of financial promises made. I was highly skeptical about the financial promises, as well as the ability for an outside group to run a successful TF2 event without any experience or interest in TF2. I didn't want to sabotage the event by coming out against it, because it could still be a good opportunity for us if it was done well- but given how things were set up I literally wasn't allowed to help. So less than a month into planning, for the good of my career and conscious, I took a step back on principle and officially ended my involvement with the project.

I don't know who to blame for how everything turned out. I can say that we spent most of the Thanksgiving holiday on the phone with another venue who had also made financial promises after the Thunder Gaming joke finally revealed itself.... and they ended up trying to shake us down for about $20k after being told repeatedly there would be no money exchanged. Maybe none of this was avoidable- but that's the thing, I'll never know. Given the attitude they took about the whole thing I was bitter about the situation for a very long time. I hope this helps bring a bit of closure, and just know I'll never give up trying to make something happen for TF2 in California. Stay tuned.

Recently it became apparent to me that there is still some confusion and frustration regarding the disappointment of the Episode III event. I thought I'd share my story to hopefully shed some light on it.

From the outset, Wade (of Rewind fame) offered to put me in touch with a venue in Long Beach who might be open to putting on a TF2 event. Shortly after I agreed, I was asked not to contact Thunder Gaming, and instead Brian (therat) from Matcherino was going to be in charge of the project and handle all the logistics and communications. It was also around this time that we spoke to Esports Arena, and one of the staff remaining did agree that it was extremely unlikely they would ever hold a TF2 event there again (due to internal politics and not actually our fault).

While we were very excited for the opportunity to create a new event, the process of releasing the teaser video at i63 made it immediately clear to me that I was going to have no direct control of the event or its planning in any way; I was only there to get the community to agree to whatever Matcherino wanted to do. I wasn't allowed to see or speak with the venue, review their contract (if there ever was one no one knows) or make any decision that directly impacted the event. Every detail was to go through Brian and therefore Matcherino. In exchange, there were a lot of financial promises made. I was highly skeptical about the financial promises, as well as the ability for an outside group to run a successful TF2 event without any experience or interest in TF2. I didn't want to sabotage the event by coming out against it, because it could still be a good opportunity for us if it was done well- but given how things were set up I literally wasn't allowed to help. So less than a month into planning, for the good of my career and conscious, I took a step back on principle and officially ended my involvement with the project.

I don't know who to blame for how everything turned out. I can say that we spent most of the Thanksgiving holiday on the phone with another venue who had also made financial promises after the Thunder Gaming joke finally revealed itself.... and they ended up trying to shake us down for about $20k after being told repeatedly there would be no money exchanged. Maybe none of this was avoidable- but that's the thing, I'll never know. Given the attitude they took about the whole thing I was bitter about the situation for a very long time. I hope this helps bring a bit of closure, and just know I'll never give up trying to make something happen for TF2 in California. Stay tuned.
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I am really curious why Esports Arena was so dead set against hosting another TF2 lan/the internal politics as you put it. Besides that, I think everyone appreciates the effort you (and all the other people making tf2 content/lans still a thing in 2019) put in the game. The whole episode III fiasco just seemed really poorly timed and with a game as small as tf2/only so much manpower behind organizing and production was kind of just unluko.

I am really curious why Esports Arena was so dead set against hosting another TF2 lan/the internal politics as you put it. Besides that, I think everyone appreciates the effort you (and all the other people making tf2 content/lans still a thing in 2019) put in the game. The whole episode III fiasco just seemed really poorly timed and with a game as small as tf2/only so much manpower behind organizing and production was kind of just unluko.
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jynxedI am really curious why Esports Arena was so dead set against hosting another TF2 lan/the internal politics as you put it. Besides that, I think everyone appreciates the effort you (and all the other people making tf2 content/lans still a thing in 2019) put in the game. The whole episode III fiasco just seemed really poorly timed and with a game as small as tf2/only so much manpower behind organizing and production was kind of just unluko.

I know that money/profit would be at LEAST a huge part of this, if not most of it. Gotta remember this didn't happen too far away from Ninja's big event that was held at the newly opened ESA Las Vegas, which was a HUGE thing for them. Even though the separate locations are somewhat separate, I'm sure they had big things in their heads. I'm speculating here and am happy to be corrected by Sami or Wade or whoever, but.. honestly selling a TF2 event in today's world of eSports is an amazingly hard task - that, we hopefully all know.

[quote=jynxed]I am really curious why Esports Arena was so dead set against hosting another TF2 lan/the internal politics as you put it. Besides that, I think everyone appreciates the effort you (and all the other people making tf2 content/lans still a thing in 2019) put in the game. The whole episode III fiasco just seemed really poorly timed and with a game as small as tf2/only so much manpower behind organizing and production was kind of just unluko.[/quote]

I know that money/profit would be at LEAST a huge part of this, if not most of it. Gotta remember this didn't happen too far away from Ninja's big event that was held at the newly opened ESA Las Vegas, which was a HUGE thing for them. Even though the separate locations are somewhat separate, I'm sure they had big things in their heads. I'm speculating here and am happy to be corrected by Sami or Wade or whoever, but.. honestly selling a TF2 event in today's world of eSports is an amazingly hard task - that, we hopefully all know.
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Even though Rewind III didn't get pulled off, I'm happy to still have people in the scene that are dedicated to putting on events on an annual basis, despite setbacks
thanks for letting us know what happened, and hopefully another event will come in the future from you guys, the past rewinds were very fun to watch

Even though Rewind III didn't get pulled off, I'm happy to still have people in the scene that are dedicated to putting on events on an annual basis, despite setbacks
thanks for letting us know what happened, and hopefully another event will come in the future from you guys, the past rewinds were very fun to watch
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Thanks sami

Thanks sami
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Is there any reason we're using Matcherino still? Nothing I hear about them is good, every experience I've had with them has been a major headache, and fundraisers don't even do that well on the platform

Is there any reason we're using Matcherino still? Nothing I hear about them is good, every experience I've had with them has been a major headache, and fundraisers don't even do that well on the platform
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