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Are you happy with the pyro update changes?
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#31
-22 Frags +

deadringer nerf is dogshit

deadringer nerf is dogshit
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#32
21 Frags +

No comp changes. No sticky det fix. No optimization. Just skins, weak ass pub maps, some decent, and some questionable stat changes. Nothing interesting here.

No comp changes. No sticky det fix. No optimization. Just skins, weak ass pub maps, some decent, and some questionable stat changes. Nothing interesting here.
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#33
20 Frags +

it feels like they listened to the feedback

i love valve thanks valve

e: the more I read, the better it gets. rly ily valve keep going

it feels like they listened to the feedback

i love valve thanks valve

e: the more I read, the better it gets. rly ily valve keep going
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#34
25 Frags +

i feel most of these changes suck due to utility creep clownery over 10 yrs (bonk, razorback, gru, base jumper) and unlock oversaturation.
the heart of most of these items gets lost through repeated attempts at convoluted balancing (amby, bonk, atomizer, etc etc). the wordage on these new changes is so dense and cluttered. meanwhile we have gunboats : -60% self damage at the cost of no shotgun.
this is why whitelists were necessary in the first place.
the root of the clownery i believe lies in the attempt to make off-classes less niche, when the opposite is what was needed. the point of a niche is not to muddle it down until it doesnt do anything, but make it thrive in those special situations.
tf2 was used as a development playground for too long. for there to be any chance at a big comp scene we need a new game with the same engine, and unlocks and classes with more surefooted, confident properties. top it off with sparkly new graphics and the casual playerbase will come flocking for nostalgia, and the comp players have a real home.

(also i want better maps)

i feel most of these changes suck due to utility creep clownery over 10 yrs (bonk, razorback, gru, base jumper) and unlock oversaturation.
the heart of most of these items gets lost through repeated attempts at convoluted balancing (amby, bonk, atomizer, etc etc). the wordage on these new changes is so dense and cluttered. meanwhile we have gunboats : -60% self damage at the cost of no shotgun.
this is why whitelists were necessary in the first place.
the root of the clownery i believe lies in the attempt to make off-classes less niche, when the opposite is what was needed. the point of a niche is not to muddle it down until it doesnt do anything, but make it thrive in those special situations.
tf2 was used as a development playground for too long. for there to be any chance at a big comp scene we need a new game with the same engine, and unlocks and classes with more surefooted, confident properties. top it off with sparkly new graphics and the casual playerbase will come flocking for nostalgia, and the comp players have a real home.

(also i want better maps)
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#35
11 Frags +

I'm so so disappointed in this update. The balance changes were all pretty good but it doesn't matter if matchmaking is still an unusable pile of horseshit. I thought that 470 days would be long enough to get decent pyro changes, decent stat rebalances and decent matchmaking fixes so I thought it was 100% safe to be hyped but valve have outdone themselves.

I'm so so disappointed in this update. The balance changes were all pretty good but it doesn't matter if matchmaking is still an unusable pile of horseshit. I thought that 470 days would be long enough to get decent pyro changes, decent stat rebalances and decent matchmaking fixes so I thought it was 100% safe to be hyped but valve have outdone themselves.
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#36
11 Frags +

At least I didn't expect anything and wasn't still disappointed. The pyro changes seem decent and that's pretty much what I cared about anyways.
Sure, matchmaking is a bummer but it won't really influence my personal enjoyment of the game.

At least I didn't expect anything and wasn't still disappointed. The pyro changes seem decent and that's pretty much what I cared about anyways.
Sure, matchmaking is a bummer but it won't really influence my personal enjoyment of the game.
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#37
8 Frags +

Pretty meh update. A few weapon changes seem pretty cool, some are questionable to say the least (Cow mangler), but I'm looking forward to seeing how the pocket pistol plays now. However, over a year wait for this is pretty disappointing to see even though I've learnt to not really expect anything good.

Pretty meh update. A few weapon changes seem pretty cool, some are questionable to say the least (Cow mangler), but I'm looking forward to seeing how the pocket pistol plays now. However, over a year wait for this is pretty disappointing to see even though I've learnt to not really expect anything good.
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#38
-1 Frags +

how can people expect anything from a dev team that makes updates that are "mediocre" at best every year, and make less updates that are *WORSE* every day, and introduce/not fix more bugs every year. i struggle to think of another dev team who consistently dissapoint me without name dropping EA or some other AAA company

reminder valve is worth billions

how can people expect anything from a dev team that makes updates that are "mediocre" at best every year, and make less updates that are *WORSE* every day, and introduce/not fix more bugs every year. i struggle to think of another dev team who consistently dissapoint me without name dropping EA or some other AAA company

reminder valve is worth billions
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#39
10 Frags +
eddie_calderonhow can people expect anything from a dev team that makes updates that are "mediocre" at best every year, and make less updates that are *WORSE* every day, and introduce/not fix more bugs every year. i struggle to think of another dev team who consistently dissapoint me without name dropping EA or some other AAA company

reminder valve is worth billions

current dev team was dealt a shit hand and have an insurmountable mountain of bullshit to wade through before they can fix their game. there are like 18(?) people working on this game last time i checked. they have no resources.

[quote=eddie_calderon]how can people expect anything from a dev team that makes updates that are "mediocre" at best every year, and make less updates that are *WORSE* every day, and introduce/not fix more bugs every year. i struggle to think of another dev team who consistently dissapoint me without name dropping EA or some other AAA company

reminder valve is worth billions[/quote]
current dev team was dealt a shit hand and have an insurmountable mountain of bullshit to wade through before they can fix their game. there are like 18(?) people working on this game last time i checked. they have no resources.
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#40
5 Frags +

If they don't pull surprise MM fixes in this update, I'll be pretty happy for the update.
If they do, I'll be very happy for the update.

If they don't pull surprise MM fixes in this update, I'll be pretty happy for the update.
If they do, I'll be very happy for the update.
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#41
34 Frags +

This update is good if the next one is comp matchmaking related and comes out in less than 4 months.

Otherwise it's lacking and they could have spent their time much more efficiently.

This update is good if the next one is comp matchmaking related and comes out in less than 4 months.

Otherwise it's lacking and they could have spent their time much more efficiently.
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#42
35 Frags +

450 days for any game is a long development cycle

450 days for any game is a long development cycle
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#43
5 Frags +
Concludedthere are like 18(?) people working on this game last time i checked. they have no resources.

I think word was there were up to 5 programmers, sometimes less, with everyone else both working on a more cosmetic side of things and getting pulled to other projects whenever.

[quote=Concluded]there are like 18(?) people working on this game last time i checked. they have no resources.[/quote]
I think word was there were up to 5 programmers, sometimes less, with everyone else both working on a more cosmetic side of things and getting pulled to other projects whenever.
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#44
44 Frags +

it looks like 460 days is not enough to remove random crits and random bullet spread. what a shame

it looks like 460 days is not enough to remove random crits and random bullet spread. what a shame
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#45
2 Frags +

The changes to pyro itself seem really cool and show a willingness to be bold- I really like them. I can't wait to try out the new unlocks. The new contract system and war paint also seem great... But this update just doesn't feel complete without a revamp to competitive. If it takes another half a year for us to get an acceptable form of competitive matchmaking (with an actual elo system like any other game with a ranked ladder) then that's just ridiculous. If it's soon, then fine. I understand, they wanted to get the update out and competitive wasn't quite up to the standard they wanted. But if it takes a really long time, I can't help but lose faith.

The changes to pyro itself seem really cool and show a willingness to be bold- I really like them. I can't wait to try out the new unlocks. The new contract system and war paint also seem great... But this update just doesn't feel complete without a revamp to competitive. If it takes another half a year for us to get an acceptable form of competitive matchmaking (with an actual elo system like any other game with a ranked ladder) then that's just ridiculous. If it's soon, then fine. I understand, they wanted to get the update out and competitive wasn't quite up to the standard they wanted. But if it takes a really long time, I can't help but lose faith.
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#46
2 Frags +

https://youtu.be/UWpbXAoB66M?t=8m12s can someone edit this moment to make a "curb your mammoth update" video.

https://youtu.be/UWpbXAoB66M?t=8m12s can someone edit this moment to make a "curb your mammoth update" video.
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#47
-8 Frags +

Cut em some slack they had to help with artifact :^)

Cut em some slack they had to help with artifact :^)
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#48
29 Frags +

What I expected

https://previews.123rf.com/images/dbvirago/dbvirago0901/dbvirago090100166/4163631-A-giant-woolly-mammoth-in-a-museum-Stock-Photo.jpg

What I got

https://img1.etsystatic.com/072/1/5877688/il_fullxfull.805178183_qtlr.jpg

What I expected
[img]https://previews.123rf.com/images/dbvirago/dbvirago0901/dbvirago090100166/4163631-A-giant-woolly-mammoth-in-a-museum-Stock-Photo.jpg[/img]
What I got
[img]https://img1.etsystatic.com/072/1/5877688/il_fullxfull.805178183_qtlr.jpg[/img]
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#49
3 Frags +

No competitive updates. Bit of a downer, but whatever. I didn't have much hope for match making to begin with and it sounds like they still are planning on working on it. having only 4 active programmers I can understand why something like this would take so long. Don't care for spy nerfs all that much. Seemed like such a non-issue to me, but whatever. On paper the pyro changes seem great and I can't wait to try them out. I was really hoping for more rewarding pyro DM. Never really cared about cosmetic things, but allowing players to get the items for free through free contracts is really great instead of having to rely on randomly finding the new items or having to pay for over priced weapons.

No competitive updates. Bit of a downer, but whatever. I didn't have much hope for match making to begin with and it sounds like they still are planning on working on it. having only 4 active programmers I can understand why something like this would take so long. Don't care for spy nerfs all that much. Seemed like such a non-issue to me, but whatever. On paper the pyro changes seem great and I can't wait to try them out. I was really hoping for more rewarding pyro DM. Never really cared about cosmetic things, but allowing players to get the items for free through free contracts is really great instead of having to rely on randomly finding the new items or having to pay for over priced weapons.
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#50
17 Frags +

they fuckin buffed the cow mangler what the fuck

they fuckin buffed the cow mangler what the fuck
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#51
8 Frags +
pizza_fartthey fuckin buffed the cow mangler what the fuck

i was kinda hoping they would nerf it so i dont have to use it ;;

[quote=pizza_fart]they fuckin buffed the cow mangler what the fuck[/quote]
i was kinda hoping they would nerf it so i dont have to use it ;;
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#52
3 Frags +

Sure I appreciate the "effort" from tf2 team to update the game, and it is nice. But like so many people said before, the fact that it took this long to make an update WITHOUT competitive mm update, fixing the sticky detonation bug etc. sours this out for me.

But in the plus side, it makes me 50% less angry now that my computer broke down and possibly I can't fix it before Monday or Tuesday. :)

Sure I appreciate the "effort" from tf2 team to update the game, and it is nice. But like so many people said before, the fact that it took this long to make an update WITHOUT competitive mm update, fixing the sticky detonation bug etc. sours this out for me.

But in the plus side, it makes me 50% less angry now that my computer broke down and possibly I can't fix it before Monday or Tuesday. :)
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#53
2 Frags +

Where is the casual fixes? A lot of the games i get in are dead, players queue up at the end of the game, queueing up takes way more than logically needed a lot of the time which are pretty big problems imo. I thought they would for sure fix these.

Where is the casual fixes? A lot of the games i get in are dead, players queue up at the end of the game, queueing up takes way more than logically needed a lot of the time which are pretty big problems imo. I thought they would for sure fix these.
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#54
3 Frags +

What if they (Valve) bamboozled us and we will see a change once we update tomorrow? (hopefully :X)

What if they (Valve) bamboozled us and we will see a change once we update tomorrow? (hopefully :X)
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#55
33 Frags +

I was really happy and excited while reading through the update page, all 4 of them had me hyped.

And then I got to the bottom of the last one and just thought "wait why isn't the page scrolling anymore, where's the rest of it?"

I was really happy and excited while reading through the update page, all 4 of them had me hyped.

And then I got to the bottom of the last one and just thought "wait why isn't the page scrolling anymore, where's the rest of it?"
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#56
4 Frags +

Ok, maybe it’s just the sleep deprivation talking but I genuinely feel “cheated”. Don’t get me wrong I think the team done a great job with what they did so apart from some questionable changes but really? This really deserved A four day hype up? Did the team understand that for these four days not just tf2 players but everyone was watching because everyone wanted to see what was to happen everyone was looking to see if tf2 was gonna finally reach the big leagues and be viewed near top on twitch all the time have a competitive scene with majors and sponsors. But this spotlight was wasted on skins some new menus and 5 weapons and lets not forget the balance changes. When they said pyro rework was I wrong to think that that meant actually reworking how the class functions, fixing this anomalies is great but the flame thrower still doesn’t require aim for Christ sake. Matchmaking is fucking appalling they spoke on the vnn interview and told us they was working on Elo and placement matches ages ago but we hear fuck all from them about it honestly it was like all the stars aligned and something amazing could happen but rather than doing what would be expected by most sane human people they decided to do this. I also feel too much time was wasted on the cosmetic parts of everything, the sfm the skins the site the new models new maps it’s all great but that was all being worked on rather than my fucking elo system.

Ok, maybe it’s just the sleep deprivation talking but I genuinely feel “cheated”. Don’t get me wrong I think the team done a great job with what they did so apart from some questionable changes but really? This really deserved A four day hype up? Did the team understand that for these four days not just tf2 players but everyone was watching because everyone wanted to see what was to happen everyone was looking to see if tf2 was gonna finally reach the big leagues and be viewed near top on twitch all the time have a competitive scene with majors and sponsors. But this spotlight was wasted on skins some new menus and 5 weapons and lets not forget the balance changes. When they said pyro rework was I wrong to think that that meant actually reworking how the class functions, fixing this anomalies is great but the flame thrower still doesn’t require aim for Christ sake. Matchmaking is fucking appalling they spoke on the vnn interview and told us they was working on Elo and placement matches ages ago but we hear fuck all from them about it honestly it was like all the stars aligned and something amazing could happen but rather than doing what would be expected by most sane human people they decided to do this. I also feel too much time was wasted on the cosmetic parts of everything, the sfm the skins the site the new models new maps it’s all great but that was all being worked on rather than my fucking elo system.
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#57
20 Frags +

The fact that we poured and poured and poured our hearts out with criticisms and suggestions when Valve initially posted their proposed weapon changes and they literally just copy-pasted their previous post into this page and finalized their initial ideas disappoints me deeply.

The fact that we poured and poured and poured our hearts out with criticisms and suggestions when Valve initially posted their proposed weapon changes and they literally just copy-pasted their previous post into this page and finalized their initial ideas disappoints me deeply.
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#58
4 Frags +

mantreads look sick

mantreads look sick
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#59
2 Frags +

I was really looking forward to playing matchmaking again and continue to play it even after the hype train. I kinda stopped playing as casual isn't doing it for me anymore and pugs are just too slow these days. I guess contracts will keep me busy for a little bit and the pyro stuff looks interesting. It doesn't seem justified for the time it took but from the sounds of it there's stuff they were working on that they didn't release so hopefully the next important competitive update comes soon otherwise time will kill this game.

I was really looking forward to playing matchmaking again and continue to play it even after the hype train. I kinda stopped playing as casual isn't doing it for me anymore and pugs are just too slow these days. I guess contracts will keep me busy for a little bit and the pyro stuff looks interesting. It doesn't seem justified for the time it took but from the sounds of it there's stuff they were working on that they didn't release so hopefully the next important competitive update comes soon otherwise time will kill this game.
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#60
17 Frags +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJxc6cz0Dbk

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJxc6cz0Dbk[/youtube]
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