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Valve limiting coaches in CS
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#31
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marmadukeGRYLLSThe realtime, in game communication they had with players was the part i don't really agree with

I think they definitely should be allowed to communicate mid-round with their players, but I never saw the point of a coach having to do mid-round calls anyway. The coach should only have to call what will be done in the round if anything, and players, especially at this level, should be able to micro themselves.

Regardless, I don't mind coaches doing the micro-managing, and it is not unfair because if other teams want to do it they can. It's not 6v5, it is 6v6 but one team just doesn't use the 6.

[quote=marmadukeGRYLLS]The realtime, in game communication they had with players was the part i don't really agree with[/quote]
I think they definitely should be allowed to communicate mid-round with their players, but I never saw the point of a coach [i]having to[/i] do mid-round calls anyway. The coach should only have to call what will be done in the round if anything, and players, especially at this level, should be able to micro themselves.

Regardless, I don't mind coaches doing the micro-managing, and it is not unfair because if other teams want to do it they can. It's not 6v5, it is 6v6 but one team just doesn't use the 6.
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#32
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It's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach. Let alone draft, how can they do that without an extra player???

At least the cs players twitter is truly entertaining after this update.

It's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach. Let alone draft, how can they do that without an extra player???

At least the cs players twitter is truly entertaining after this update.
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#33
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alfaIt's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.

> dota
> aim

[quote=alfa]It's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.[/quote]

> dota
> aim
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#34
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nopealfaIt's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.
> dota
> aim

I think when he said dota he was refering to the all the inputs that you have to do to be good at the game its way harder than it looks

[quote=nope][quote=alfa]It's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.[/quote]

> dota
> aim[/quote]
I think when he said dota he was refering to the all the inputs that you have to do to be good at the game its way harder than it looks
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#35
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To what principle are you appealing when you say it "should" be this way or that way? It could be either, it's just a preference for what you value in the game. The crux here is that valve are completely disconnected from the scene and forcing this decision at the expense of years of holistic growth. It's also massively hypocritical as this sort of organic process is exactly what they preach as being their method and the reason for their inaction the rest of the time. CS has succeeded in spite of valve; the fact that almost everyone involved in making it a success finds this decision so ridiculous says a lot.

To what principle are you appealing when you say it "should" be this way or that way? It could be either, it's just a preference for what you value in the game. The crux here is that valve are completely disconnected from the scene and forcing this decision at the expense of years of holistic growth. It's also massively hypocritical as this sort of organic process is exactly what they preach as being their method and the reason for their inaction the rest of the time. CS has succeeded in spite of valve; the fact that almost everyone involved in making it a success finds this decision so ridiculous says a lot.
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#36
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#37
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this rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it

this rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it
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#38
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owlthis rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

these are essentially my sentiments. this is a declaration you make much earlier into the competitive life of the game. on the plus side, it does seem as if this is breathing life into the player's union - we'll see what comes to fruition from it all, though.

[quote=owl]this rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it
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these are essentially my sentiments. this is a declaration you make much earlier into the competitive life of the game. on the plus side, it does seem as if this is breathing life into [url=https://twitter.com/FalleNCS/status/765991997903671297]the player's union[/url] - we'll see what comes to fruition from it all, though.
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#39
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owlthis rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it

I follow CS very casually but hasn't Valve been saying this is a possibility since last major? If that's the case then teams who moved towards 5 fraggers + coach when they had a good IGL already seem pretty dumb.

[quote=owl]this rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it[/quote]

I follow CS very casually but hasn't Valve been saying this is a possibility since last major? If that's the case then teams who moved towards 5 fraggers + coach when they had a good IGL already seem pretty dumb.
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#40
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saamowlthis rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it

I follow CS very casually but hasn't Valve been saying this is a possibility since last major? If that's the case then teams who moved towards 5 fraggers + coach when they had a good IGL already seem pretty dumb.

according to pros, valve floated the idea at cluj-napoca and were pretty unanimously told that it was a bad idea. then nobody heard anything for a year and then this rule comes out.

[quote=saam][quote=owl]this rule wouldn't matter at all if it had been created 2 years ago but teams have been used to having a coach for so long and a bunch of them have built their entire roster around it

having a dedicated coach doesnt really change the quality of pro play in the end though idk why people are so up in arms about it[/quote]

I follow CS very casually but hasn't Valve been saying this is a possibility since last major? If that's the case then teams who moved towards 5 fraggers + coach when they had a good IGL already seem pretty dumb.[/quote]

according to pros, valve floated the idea at cluj-napoca and were pretty unanimously told that it was a bad idea. then nobody heard anything for a year and then this rule comes out.
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#41
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dangomustardoverlordevery major team can easily afford oneAnd what about all the teams that can't afford one (or one worth having)? Why should lower end teams have to play major qualifiers 5 vs 5.5? It just makes it easier for top teams to stay at the top, especially when they can afford 5 fraggers and not worry about the IGL being good enough at fragging.

Every time I read another opinion on this matter I always come back to Dango's quote because it really hits the heart of the issue.

Competition in any sport or game is about a level playing field for all players involved. IMO, coaching in its current form does cause an imbalance at the highest levels. In no way should coaching be removed but rules need to be in place to keep the "playing field" inside the game completely even.

Naturally all the current Pros are going to have a problem with this change. Nobody likes to break a system that has been successful but sometimes it is necessary.

[quote=dango][quote=mustardoverlord]
every major team can easily afford one
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And what about all the teams that can't afford one (or one worth having)? Why should lower end teams have to play major qualifiers 5 vs 5.5? It just makes it easier for top teams to stay at the top, especially when they can afford 5 fraggers and not worry about the IGL being good enough at fragging.[/quote]

Every time I read another opinion on this matter I always come back to Dango's quote because it really hits the heart of the issue.

Competition in any sport or game is about a level playing field for all players involved. IMO, coaching in its current form does cause an imbalance at the highest levels. In no way should coaching be removed but rules need to be in place to keep the "playing field" inside the game completely even.

Naturally all the current Pros are going to have a problem with this change. Nobody likes to break a system that has been successful but sometimes it is necessary.
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#42
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nopealfaIt's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.
> dota
> aim

>reading comprehension

[quote=nope][quote=alfa]It's truly a feat to aim and think for yourself at the same time, it's fucking crazy how dota teams can even load the game without a coach.[/quote]

> dota
> aim[/quote]

>reading comprehension
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