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721
#721
3 Frags +

People playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12

People playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12
722
#722
0 Frags +
CollaidePeople playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12

Do you know what username they're using instead of their PugChamp assigned one?

I've taken a deeper peek into one of the raw logs and the player is there, but has no name in the log. Therefore, it's likely that the logs.tf parser thinks it's a malformed line and skips it, causing the player to disappear. The probable solution would be fixing that issue.

[quote=Collaide]People playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12[/quote]

Do you know what username they're using instead of their PugChamp assigned one?

I've taken a deeper peek into one of the raw logs and the player is there, but has no name in the log. Therefore, it's likely that the logs.tf parser thinks it's a malformed line and skips it, causing the player to disappear. The probable solution would be fixing that issue.
723
#723
0 Frags +
tscCollaidePeople playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12

Do you know what username they're using instead of their PugChamp assigned one?

I've taken a deeper peek into one of the raw logs and the player is there, but has no name in the log. Therefore, it's likely that the logs.tf parser thinks it's a malformed line and skips it, causing the player to disappear. The probable solution would be fixing that issue.

Yeah if someone's name is too long logs.tf can't parse it, or the log plugin cant track the name that's too long. So it might be tftrue

[quote=tsc][quote=Collaide]People playing in games mysteriously disappear in logs if they don't use the username pugchamp servers try to force

Idk if there's a possible fix but it's annoying to see 11 people in the logs all the time, even though there were 12[/quote]

Do you know what username they're using instead of their PugChamp assigned one?

I've taken a deeper peek into one of the raw logs and the player is there, but has no name in the log. Therefore, it's likely that the logs.tf parser thinks it's a malformed line and skips it, causing the player to disappear. The probable solution would be fixing that issue.[/quote]
Yeah if someone's name is too long logs.tf can't parse it, or the log plugin cant track the name that's too long. So it might be tftrue
724
#724
0 Frags +

Maybe we can ask zoob for some fix or solution

Maybe we can ask zoob for some fix or solution
725
#725
0 Frags +

https://eu.pug.champ.gg/game/58a7152fce289607236b176d Wrong config for KOTH on the server - We can't add up again

edit nvm

https://eu.pug.champ.gg/game/58a7152fce289607236b176d Wrong config for KOTH on the server - We can't add up again

edit nvm
726
#726
-5 Frags +

Can we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.

Can we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.
727
#727
0 Frags +
EemesCan we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.

It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?

[quote=Eemes]Can we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.[/quote]
It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?
728
#728
1 Frags +
CollaideEemesCan we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.
It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?

people can still easily grief if they want to, there's plenty of bad unlocks allowed

[quote=Collaide][quote=Eemes]Can we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.[/quote]
It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?[/quote]

people can still easily grief if they want to, there's plenty of bad unlocks allowed
729
#729
2 Frags +

i guess the problem is they can actually have fun and grief at the same time

i guess the problem is they can actually have fun and grief at the same time
730
#730
11 Frags +

Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?

Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?
731
#731
-6 Frags +

badish but decent REVEIES IELO basically ranksS for tf2 xlnice

badish but decent REVEIES IELO basically ranksS for tf2 xlnice
732
#732
2 Frags +
JDuffbadish but decent REVEIES IELO basically ranksS for tf2 xlniceConsoleJDuff is incredibly drunk. I apologize for this tomfoolery.
[quote=JDuff]badish but decent REVEIES IELO basically ranksS for tf2 xlnice[/quote]
[quote=Console]JDuff is incredibly drunk. I apologize for this tomfoolery.[/quote]
733
#733
-16 Frags +
AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?

Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that

[quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that
734
#734
14 Frags +
sage78AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that

so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it

[quote=sage78][quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that[/quote]
so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it
735
#735
-8 Frags +
gemmCollaideEemesCan we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.
It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?

people can still easily grief if they want to, there's plenty of bad unlocks allowed

Like the Crossbow?

[quote=gemm][quote=Collaide][quote=Eemes]Can we have unlocks such as the sticky jumper, rocket jumper and demo shields unbanned? They can be useful in certain situations in game but mainly they just make pregame a lot more fun (i.e the first 2).
I don't get why pugchamp doesn't just have the global whitelist: if we are playing pugs to practice then we should have the same rules as the real leagues; if we are playing them for fun we should include what are some of the funnest weapons.[/quote]
It's probably to prevent people from griefing and only using targes & jumping weapons...

But I still agree. Shouldn't people who equip these items and tryhard with them be banned anyway?[/quote]

people can still easily grief if they want to, there's plenty of bad unlocks allowed[/quote]

Like the Crossbow?
736
#736
3 Frags +
sage78AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that

if it is really important that they communicate to each other in a non-English language, they can set up whisper keys on mumble to talk to each other.

[quote=sage78][quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that[/quote]
if it is really important that they communicate to each other in a non-English language, they can set up whisper keys on mumble to talk to each other.
737
#737
2 Frags +

Can I have my pugchamp/mixchamp alias changed from Tsarbucks to -tsar (or tsar if the dash won't work)?

Can I have my pugchamp/mixchamp alias changed from Tsarbucks to -tsar (or tsar if the dash won't work)?
738
#738
5 Frags +

I have a question about the "fresh bans" that are made at the start of the map ban process:

How does the system decide what maps are selected to be banned at the start of the map selection? I was under the impression that the most recently played maps were supposed to be banned. However, I've seen multiple times where something like this happens

http://i.imgur.com/inTshFD.png

and the same map is played 3 times in a row. Is there some sort of hidden algorithm that decides what maps are auto-banned or is it completely random?

I have a question about the "fresh bans" that are made at the start of the map ban process:

How does the system decide what maps are selected to be banned at the start of the map selection? I was under the impression that the most recently played maps were supposed to be banned. However, I've seen multiple times where something like this happens [img]http://i.imgur.com/inTshFD.png[/img] and the same map is played 3 times in a row. Is there some sort of hidden algorithm that decides what maps are auto-banned or is it completely random?
739
#739
6 Frags +

rtv

rtv
740
#740
10 Frags +

The system decides fresh bans based on the most recently played games of the participating players, not on the most recent games sitewide. Thus, the bans may not appear to function properly as the same map can be played in consecutive or concurrent games - this is intentional.

The system decides fresh bans based on the most recently played games of the participating players, not on the most recent games sitewide. Thus, the bans may not appear to function properly as the same map can be played in consecutive or concurrent games - this is intentional.
741
#741
11 Frags +
sage78AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that

Because it's bad etiquette. Context matters, of course (e.g. somebody translating, non-malicious closed conversation) but otherwise it's incredibly alienating if English is being used as a universal language of communication within the context. In this case, you're trying to communicate with all your teammates. Even if it's easier with, as aforementioned as an example in the thread, a 4-2 ratio of French-English, the 2 people that can't understand French are kind of fucked.

Speaking as somebody raised in a family where English was not the first language, the rule of thumb was to avoid speaking a language in front of somebody who doesn't speak or understand it. This was in case you came off as though you're talking about the person who can't understand what you're saying, or if you came off as you maliciously or deliberately didn't want them involved in your conversation. In the presence of guests who don't speak Tagalog, my family will speak English, even if they're talking to each other, in front of those guests.

[quote=sage78][quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that[/quote]
Because it's bad etiquette. Context matters, of course (e.g. somebody translating, non-malicious closed conversation) but otherwise it's incredibly alienating if English is being used as a universal language of communication within the context. In this case, you're trying to communicate with all your teammates. Even if it's easier with, as aforementioned as an example in the thread, a 4-2 ratio of French-English, the 2 people that can't understand French are kind of fucked.

Speaking as somebody raised in a family where English was not the first language, the rule of thumb was to avoid speaking a language in front of somebody who doesn't speak or understand it. This was in case you came off as though you're talking about the person who can't understand what you're saying, or if you came off as you maliciously or deliberately didn't want them involved in your conversation. In the presence of guests who don't speak Tagalog, my family will speak English, even if they're talking to each other, in front of those guests.
742
#742
5 Frags +
tscThe system decides fresh bans based on the most recently played games of the participating players, not on the most recent games sitewide. Thus, the bans may not appear to function properly as the same map can be played in consecutive or concurrent games - this is intentional.

Can you add an !extend command (also removing the 5-4 windifference by 2) and an !rtv command? This is what the vast majority of people want, not just me. sometimes there's just a pug that's significantly better or more fun than others so you want to keep playing until it's over.

can you replace reckoner with another map (possibly a vote between maps such as bagel, kalinka, cardinal, etc.)?

is there an ETA of when the servers will be fixed (or when you guys will be getting new one(s) that don't stutter)?

also, when i check the match page at the end of the pug (ones that weren't aborted), occasionally the stv doesn't upload to the page.

[quote=tsc]The system decides fresh bans based on the most recently played games of the participating players, not on the most recent games sitewide. Thus, the bans may not appear to function properly as the same map can be played in consecutive or concurrent games - this is intentional.[/quote]

Can you add an !extend command (also removing the 5-4 windifference by 2) and an !rtv command? This is what the vast majority of people want, not just me. sometimes there's just a pug that's significantly better or more fun than others so you want to keep playing until it's over.

can you replace reckoner with another map (possibly a vote between maps such as bagel, kalinka, cardinal, etc.)?

is there an ETA of when the servers will be fixed (or when you guys will be getting new one(s) that don't stutter)?

also, when i check the match page at the end of the pug (ones that weren't aborted), occasionally the stv doesn't upload to the page.
743
#743
0 Frags +

I can't provide any promises or estimates for any possible adjustments to the system. Almost everything is affected by the system overhaul in progress, which has unfortunately been proceeding slowly due to its complexity and temporarily stalled due to currently occurring major changes in my life.

I can't provide any promises or estimates for any possible adjustments to the system. Almost everything is affected by the system overhaul in progress, which has unfortunately been proceeding slowly due to its complexity and temporarily stalled due to currently occurring major changes in my life.
744
#744
0 Frags +

edit: solved

edit: solved
745
#745
4 Frags +

eu pugchamp keeps putting people in the wrong mumbble channel pretty often

eu pugchamp keeps putting people in the wrong mumbble channel pretty often
746
#746
-5 Frags +
T0msage78AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that
so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it

just take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.

[quote=T0m][quote=sage78][quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that[/quote]
so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it[/quote]
just take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.
747
#747
2 Frags +
sacjust take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.

The problem is that English is generally accepted as a universal language, while something like french/german/spanish etc. might not be as commonly spoken outside of countries where the language is native. If everyone in the pug speaks english, but let's say 4 people speak french, why should the 2 people who know no french have to suffer?

[quote=sac]just take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.[/quote]

The problem is that English is generally accepted as a universal language, while something like french/german/spanish etc. might not be as commonly spoken outside of countries where the language is native. If everyone in the pug speaks english, but let's say 4 people speak french, why should the 2 people who know no french have to suffer?
748
#748
1 Frags +

ban DH

also fadd would be nice, at least like, right after the pug starts before anyone is picked, or both captains have to approve the fadd so it doesn't fuck up the picking, pugchamp is very good at sneakily unreadying players

ban DH

also fadd would be nice, at least like, right after the pug starts before anyone is picked, or both captains have to approve the fadd so it doesn't fuck up the picking, pugchamp is very good at sneakily unreadying players
749
#749
0 Frags +
sacT0msage78AlfieCan a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that
so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it
just take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.

Before the pug begins, I see nothing wrong with speaking a different language in the mumble. However, during the pug the language spoken should be English, unless of course everyone on the team wishes to speak a different language, but it must be everyone. (Translating for a player who isn't fluent is fine btw)

[quote=sac][quote=T0m][quote=sage78][quote=Alfie]Can a rule be made for talking non-English during a pug?[/quote]
Gosh, there are MORE languages than English in Europe? GOODNESS gracious me, if only there was a way to fix that...

In all seriousness, if most of the players in the pug team speak french or another language, i don't see whats wrong with that[/quote]
so u think its fine that if there are 4 french guys in a pug speaking nothing but french but the other 2 guys dont understand a word of it? alright safe thats a real smart way of looking at it[/quote]
just take it as an opportunity to practice your french :) the more horribly pronounced gibberish you'll say, the more eager they will be to respond, becuase a lot of silence becomes of being shy or unable to communicate well in english. Not everyone is as easily fluent in a non native language. If they straight up ignore you though, thats something else.[/quote]

Before the pug begins, I see nothing wrong with speaking a different language in the mumble. However, during the pug the language spoken should be English, unless of course everyone on the team wishes to speak a different language, but it must be everyone. (Translating for a player who isn't fluent is fine btw)
750
#750
5 Frags +

There seems to be an internal error with pugchamp, or is it just me ?
I get "SSL_ERROR_INTERNAL_ERROR_ALERT" when trying to access pugchamp or mixchamp

There seems to be an internal error with pugchamp, or is it just me ?
I get "SSL_ERROR_INTERNAL_ERROR_ALERT" when trying to access pugchamp or mixchamp
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