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rip tf2 invite
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#91
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lol clan cancer. I remember when teams were stable enough to call virulent clan cancer, even when it wasn't his fault the team died. Sponsors man, if only we kept them.

lol clan cancer. I remember when teams were stable enough to call virulent clan cancer, even when it wasn't his fault the team died. Sponsors man, if only we kept them.
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#92
9 Frags +

Honestly what seems to be killing invite teams is not making lan. The league is structured such that if a team doesnt make lan they can simply quit now and start again next season. Its a method where getting new players into invite is extremely difficult. I think there are some IM teams that are more worthy of invite than another reformed invite team that will die when they dont make lan again.

Honestly what seems to be killing invite teams is not making lan. The league is structured such that if a team doesnt make lan they can simply quit now and start again next season. Its a method where getting new players into invite is extremely difficult. I think there are some IM teams that are more worthy of invite than another reformed invite team that will die when they dont make lan again.
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#93
6 Frags +

invite isnt going to die or anything. A few players quit, which ruined a few teams, but everyone else on those teams are still going to play if they can. The players are still here, just the teams died for this season. Next season will probably be even more competitive than this one if mix dies. Invite isnt dead, even if this season itself has gone to shit.

invite isnt going to die or anything. A few players quit, which ruined a few teams, but everyone else on those teams are still going to play if they can. The players are still here, just the teams died for this season. Next season will probably be even more competitive than this one if mix dies. Invite isnt dead, even if this season itself has gone to shit.
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#94
4 Frags +

all this talk about let's make tf2 comp big, and let's really try and i46 was wonderful, everything went in the right.

and invite pull of this crap, get your shit together and fight for tf2comp.

(let's make dreamhack happen, please, just email them saying hey can you guys make dreamhack tf2 happen?)

all this talk about let's make tf2 comp big, and let's really try and i46 was wonderful, everything went in the right.


and invite pull of this crap, get your shit together and fight for tf2comp.

(let's make dreamhack happen, please, just email them saying hey can you guys make dreamhack tf2 happen?)
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#95
4 Frags +

#92 except any im team you think is more worthy will get crushed far, far worse than any of the teams that died this season and be a waste of time or end up dying themselves

#92 except any im team you think is more worthy will get crushed far, far worse than any of the teams that died this season and be a waste of time or end up dying themselves
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#96
3 Frags +

It definitely seems like a structural issue. I don't think I've seen a season go by since last year without at least one invite team dying before the season ended. Once a team realizes it's not going to LAN and thus has no real reason to keep playing/practicing, there's just no incentive to keep the roster together.

So how does ESEA change that?

It definitely seems like a structural issue. I don't think I've seen a season go by since last year without at least one invite team dying before the season ended. Once a team realizes it's not going to LAN and thus has no real reason to keep playing/practicing, there's just no incentive to keep the roster together.

So how does ESEA change that?
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#97
1 Frags +

I thought we wanted more divisions, not less. Silly me.

I thought we wanted more divisions, not less. Silly me.
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#98
6 Frags +
Stanleyinvite isnt going to die or anything. A few players quit, which ruined a few teams, but everyone else on those teams are still going to play if they can. The players are still here, just the teams died for this season. Next season will probably be even more competitive than this one if mix dies. Invite isnt dead, even if this season itself has gone to shit.

To be honest I find S11 more competitive, because sure Flow went 15-1 but all the games were fun to watch and close (sometimes), whereas in S12, Mixup are just blowing everyone out of the water (take the 5-0 vs. LG for instace) and it may still be fun watching them offclass - and have doors kill Enigma - but it's not the same type of fun.

[quote=Stanley]invite isnt going to die or anything. A few players quit, which ruined a few teams, but everyone else on those teams are still going to play if they can. The players are still here, just the teams died for this season. Next season will probably be even more competitive than this one if mix dies. Invite isnt dead, even if this season itself has gone to shit.[/quote]

To be honest I find S11 more competitive, because sure Flow went 15-1 but all the games were fun to watch and close (sometimes), whereas in S12, Mixup are just blowing everyone out of the water (take the 5-0 vs. LG for instace) and it may still be fun watching them offclass - and have doors kill Enigma - but it's not the same type of fun.
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#99
11 Frags +

ESEA should make the different divisions like in real sports. If the first 4 teams go to lan, why not to make the other four teams in invite having to fight in a playoff to see which one (or more than one) will go down to IM? This will make people who want to stay in Invite, they will have to keep training and playing.

And make playoffs in IM so the winner(s) goes to Invite too.

This way every season some team(s) will go up from IM to Invite and always will be new blood in the league.

ESEA should make the different divisions like in real sports. If the first 4 teams go to lan, why not to make the other four teams in invite having to fight in a playoff to see which one (or more than one) will go down to IM? This will make people who want to stay in Invite, they will have to keep training and playing.

And make playoffs in IM so the winner(s) goes to Invite too.

This way every season some team(s) will go up from IM to Invite and always will be new blood in the league.
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#100
1 Frags +

The winner of IM automatically gets into Invite, PaxMu. Unless you were implying multiple teams should.

The winner of IM automatically gets into Invite, PaxMu. Unless you were implying multiple teams should.
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#101
3 Frags +
seanbudthe top 3 NA teams are still better than any euro team. and invite teams die every season and new ones form. nothing new. mustard is the karl pilkington of tf2 please disregard what he says

the problem isn't that the best teams in invite aren't still good/relatively stable

the problem is that no new teams ever contest them anymore, because rather than stick together and improve they die, and the players get recycled to new invite teams the next season that finish in the same fucking place as before

if a team just stuck together and improved they'd eventually get to the top. it might take more than a season, but it'd happen.

kermit_Usually it'll start as one player, but it is hard to find a replacement for almost any class that isn't scout. If a demo or pocket from a team quits, there really isn't much talent out there to replace them with.

I don't believe it's as hard as you say if you're willing to explore your options thoroughly and think outside the box when it comes to picking up players. Hell, since the end of last season nNn has changed medics once, changed pockets twice, and changed scouts twice, and they're still a lan contender.

yes, mix^ is p much untouchable right now. people seem to think it's unfair that they have pretty much the best player on every class. however, it's not like they won the lottery or something, each player worked on it for a long time. was platinum always the best solly around, let alone one of the best demos? no, he only started really destroying around s6. was harbleu the best roamer from the beginning? no, he was the butt of a joke for season upon season. was ruwin the best scout around? no, he mained medic, and plays like 16 hours of mge a day.

if teams view mix^ as some insurmountable behemoth then of course they'll never beat them.

[quote=seanbud]the top 3 NA teams are still better than any euro team. and invite teams die every season and new ones form. nothing new. mustard is the karl pilkington of tf2 please disregard what he says[/quote]

the problem isn't that the best teams in invite aren't still good/relatively stable

the problem is that no new teams ever contest them anymore, because rather than stick together and improve they die, and the players get recycled to new invite teams the next season that finish in the same fucking place as before

if a team just stuck together and improved they'd eventually get to the top. it might take more than a season, but it'd happen.


[quote=kermit_]
Usually it'll start as one player, but it is hard to find a replacement for almost any class that isn't scout. If a demo or pocket from a team quits, there really isn't much talent out there to replace them with.
[/quote]

I don't believe it's as hard as you say if you're willing to explore your options thoroughly and think outside the box when it comes to picking up players. Hell, since the end of last season nNn has changed medics once, changed pockets twice, and changed scouts twice, and they're still a lan contender.


yes, mix^ is p much untouchable right now. people seem to think it's unfair that they have pretty much the best player on every class. however, it's not like they won the lottery or something, each player worked on it for a long time. was platinum always the best solly around, let alone one of the best demos? no, he only started really destroying around s6. was harbleu the best roamer from the beginning? no, he was the butt of a joke for season upon season. was ruwin the best scout around? no, he mained medic, and plays like 16 hours of mge a day.

if teams view mix^ as some insurmountable behemoth then of course they'll never beat them.
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#102
1 Frags +

its really not that big of a deal, shit happens and circumstances change all the time. There will be a great selection of players to form invite teams next season, hopefully with some new up and coming faces.

Making accusations that this is going to kill tf2 is pure nonsense, teams always die and they will continue to die forever

I've been playing this game a long time and only until recently have I been unable to balance my academic workload with scrims every night of the week, and I will have to quit and "kill" my team if i get too far behind in my classes this semester, this doesn't make me a bad person just someone who has to deal with real life bullshit for once, like everyone else

Tldr stop bitching everyone

its really not that big of a deal, shit happens and circumstances change all the time. There will be a great selection of players to form invite teams next season, hopefully with some new up and coming faces.

Making accusations that this is going to kill tf2 is pure nonsense, teams always die and they will continue to die forever

I've been playing this game a long time and only until recently have I been unable to balance my academic workload with scrims every night of the week, and I will have to quit and "kill" my team if i get too far behind in my classes this semester, this doesn't make me a bad person just someone who has to deal with real life bullshit for once, like everyone else

Tldr stop bitching everyone
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#103
39 Frags +

Allow me to explain. The reason people disrespect invite like this is because there is no prestige to it. Just about anyone can get in and then leave whenever they want with the door left wide open. In any other game you need to muscle your way up to invite and when you get there it's an accomplishment. In TF2 invite-status is handed to anyone who asks for it. If we don't earn it we don't respect it. You bet your sweet collective asses if people had to work their way up from open to invite there wouldn't be such a capricious division foundation nor would they take it for granted.

Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.

Allow me to explain. The reason people disrespect invite like this is because there is no prestige to it. Just about anyone can get in and then leave whenever they want with the door left wide open. In any other game you need to muscle your way up to invite and when you get there it's an [i]accomplishment[/i]. In TF2 invite-status is handed to anyone who asks for it. If we don't earn it we don't respect it. You bet your sweet collective asses if people had to work their way up from open to invite there wouldn't be such a capricious division foundation nor would they take it for granted.

Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.
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#104
3 Frags +

It seems like everyone is blaming "invite" as a whole, as in all 8 teams, instead of the people who randomly jumped off tf2 without telling anyone ( Weeble ) But that's just one example. Personally, I think once you know you can't make lan, what drives you to keep playing. (Because I know people want to win, not just lose)

It may be different with IM teams that get moved up to invite, do semi decent / winning a few games here and there and trying to improve ( As in all 6 players are new to invite and want to improve as a team, EMG as an example a long time ago? ( **not sure though so don't hold it against me** )

Most of invite is made up of players who have been in invite before, like all of oplaids team (minus tony), most of PW, ducks, my team... etc etc. We'll use ducks as an example ( No hate, just an example. I love you guys ) But if you went like 0-10 or something and now lan was completely out of reach. Would you want to be spending your nights playing tf2 for 1-2 hours or so scrimming for no benefit. (Besides improving chemistry, teamwork etc etc i know i know what you will say.) Or would you spend those 10 or so hours a week you spend playing TF2, and go hangout with friends, family, girlfriend / boyfriend, etc ) This happens a ton in other games too, not just tf2.

Even some players on my own team, (After Dun had to quit playing for school, and Powah couldn't make lan because he can't get his visa.) We were talking about what we were going to do if we kept losing matches after our roster shakeup. And we did bring up just calling it quits because we'd have to start from scratch with our teamwork and chemistry, and learn their playstyles. And this happened in a clutch time of winning or losing can decide if you go to lan or not.

anyways, i just wanted to say my pov on whats happening in invite, I don't think this much shit has ever happened in one season before, but it sucks. shit happens, people can't play, it happens to everyone who plays tf2, (unless you're some fucking nerd who's never missed a scrim or match so far)

It seems like everyone is blaming "invite" as a whole, as in all 8 teams, instead of the people who randomly jumped off tf2 without telling anyone ( Weeble ) But that's just one example. Personally, I think once you know you can't make lan, what drives you to keep playing. (Because I know people want to win, not just lose)

It may be different with IM teams that get moved up to invite, do semi decent / winning a few games here and there and trying to improve ( As in all 6 players are new to invite and want to improve as a team, EMG as an example a long time ago? ( **not sure though so don't hold it against me** )

Most of invite is made up of players who have been in invite before, like all of oplaids team (minus tony), most of PW, ducks, my team... etc etc. We'll use ducks as an example ( No hate, just an example. I love you guys ) But if you went like 0-10 or something and now lan was completely out of reach. Would you want to be spending your nights playing tf2 for 1-2 hours or so scrimming for no benefit. (Besides improving chemistry, teamwork etc etc i know i know what you will say.) Or would you spend those 10 or so hours a week you spend playing TF2, and go hangout with friends, family, girlfriend / boyfriend, etc ) This happens a ton in other games too, not just tf2.

Even some players on my own team, (After Dun had to quit playing for school, and Powah couldn't make lan because he can't get his visa.) We were talking about what we were going to do if we kept losing matches after our roster shakeup. And we did bring up just calling it quits because we'd have to start from scratch with our teamwork and chemistry, and learn their playstyles. And this happened in a clutch time of winning or losing can decide if you go to lan or not.

anyways, i just wanted to say my pov on whats happening in invite, I don't think this much shit has ever happened in one season before, but it sucks. shit happens, people can't play, it happens to everyone who plays tf2, (unless you're some fucking nerd who's never missed a scrim or match so far)
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#105
2 Frags +

#103

Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.

Then invite TF2 will get like exponentially better. More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.

#103
[quote]Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.[/quote]

Then invite TF2 will get like exponentially better. More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.
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#106
-9 Frags +

2 sundays ago i said i wont be here for scrims because i went and got some PUSSY

that is all

2 sundays ago i said i wont be here for scrims because i went and got some PUSSY

that is all
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#107
9 Frags +
SalamancerIt definitely seems like a structural issue. I don't think I've seen a season go by since last year without at least one invite team dying before the season ended. Once a team realizes it's not going to LAN and thus has no real reason to keep playing/practicing, there's just no incentive to keep the roster together.

So how does ESEA change that?

ESEA does nothing to change that. This is a problem due to invite's inflated egos where it's playoffs or we're dead. It's pathetically sad and invite is the worst kind of role model as this mindset clearly ripples down to the lower leagues. This doesn't happen in any other game. In CS, they actually move down Invite teams because they've been there so long and haven't done well. A good possible solution would be a "secondary" bracket where they just play for pride rather than prize.

[quote=Salamancer]It definitely seems like a structural issue. I don't think I've seen a season go by since last year without at least one invite team dying before the season ended. Once a team realizes it's not going to LAN and thus has no real reason to keep playing/practicing, there's just no incentive to keep the roster together.

So how does ESEA change that?[/quote]

ESEA does nothing to change that. This is a problem due to invite's inflated egos where it's playoffs or we're dead. It's pathetically sad and invite is the worst kind of role model as this mindset clearly ripples down to the lower leagues. This doesn't happen in any other game. In CS, they actually move down Invite teams because they've been there so long and haven't done well. A good possible solution would be a "secondary" bracket where they just play for pride rather than prize.
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#108
29 Frags +

Someone needs to tell all the sports teams who aren't the best to stop playing because they'll never get first every season.

But then you say "OH WELL THEY'RE GETTING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HURP DERP"

No shit motherfucker that's their career this game is a fucking hobby. Be proud of what you've accomplished (invite-status or not) and don't squander it like these ungrateful fucks who get let into invite just to shit on its name.

ps sorry for all the swearing

Someone needs to tell all the sports teams who aren't the best to stop playing because they'll never get first every season.

But then you say "OH WELL THEY'RE GETTING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS HURP DERP"

No shit motherfucker that's their career this game is a fucking hobby. Be proud of what you've accomplished (invite-status or not) and don't squander it like these ungrateful fucks who get let into invite just to shit on its name.

ps sorry for all the swearing
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#109
-1 Frags +

How about the first top 3 teams in invite are guaranteed a LAN spot and teams 4-8 plus the top IM regular season team play a seeded playoffs to decide who gets the fourth spot?

This way all teams will still have a shot at LAN and have an incentive to stick together and the benefit to placing 4th is that you play the IM team instead of an invite team in the first round.

what do you think?

How about the first top 3 teams in invite are guaranteed a LAN spot and teams 4-8 plus the top IM regular season team play a seeded playoffs to decide who gets the fourth spot?

This way all teams will still have a shot at LAN and have an incentive to stick together and the benefit to placing 4th is that you play the IM team instead of an invite team in the first round.

what do you think?
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#110
6 Frags +

Ruwin with the truthbombs

Ruwin with the truthbombs
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#111
0 Frags +

why would we even have a regular season in the first place if you used that idea. We may as well vote for the top 3 teams of the season at the very start, and then just randomly throw in another team

why would we even have a regular season in the first place if you used that idea. We may as well vote for the top 3 teams of the season at the very start, and then just randomly throw in another team
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#112
5 Frags +
KillingAt the beginning of the season I was actually thinking of not allowing sweater into invite. This entire ordeal makes me think that some sort of "Invite Blacklist" would be a good idea. This wouldn't necessarily mean you're banned from invite for life, it would just make it much harder for certain individuals to get in. Ideally, players on the blacklist would have to make their way into invite through IM rather than a direct seed. This would force players to put in time and effort to get into invite rather than taking it as a given. The players will probably do well in IM which makes life much easier than a sub par invite season so it wouldn't really be a true test but I guess it'd be better than nothing. Playing 1 full season of invite would get you off the blacklist which means if you fuck up twice, you need to go through IM twice. This would act as a deterrent I'd assume but it may force players that give up as easily as these to quit rather than put in the time. Powah is a prime example of how to quit a team. He told his team his situation and gave them plenty of time. Leaving like that won't get you on a blacklist.

I'm curious what you guys think of this idea. Thoughts?

this is the /endthread imo.

What players and teams need to start to realize is that Invite level tf2 will never be stable or competitive throughout the whole division unless there are more invite quality teams, not just teams randomly thrown together before the season made up of invite or ex-invite players. What Invite needs to become competitive and continue its longevity and keep its integrity is that teams need to keep playing together for long periods of time, work up through the ranks, achieve some realistic goals and that way you will create another invite quality team, NOT another team thrown together with "invite" players on the roster, as that will not create any real competition.

I think the Invite blacklist is an amazing idea, this would be a great way to keep teams together and steadily improve as a team and work towards some real goals, much better then any "roster rule" would. additionally, It would more then likely stop the trend that sees teams form with all-stars weeks before the season, fails miserably, then everyone leaves and reforms another mix with the same players.

please TF2 community, deeply consider this suggestion from killing and you will see guaranteed improvement in competition across the board.

TLDR: Check powah's post at 139

[quote=Killing]At the beginning of the season I was actually thinking of not allowing sweater into invite. This entire ordeal makes me think that some sort of "Invite Blacklist" would be a good idea. This wouldn't necessarily mean you're banned from invite for life, it would just make it much harder for certain individuals to get in. Ideally, players on the blacklist would have to make their way into invite through IM rather than a direct seed. This would force players to put in time and effort to get into invite rather than taking it as a given. The players will probably do well in IM which makes life much easier than a sub par invite season so it wouldn't really be a true test but I guess it'd be better than nothing. Playing 1 full season of invite would get you off the blacklist which means if you fuck up twice, you need to go through IM twice. This would act as a deterrent I'd assume but it may force players that give up as easily as these to quit rather than put in the time. Powah is a prime example of how to quit a team. He told his team his situation and gave them plenty of time. Leaving like that won't get you on a blacklist.

I'm curious what you guys think of this idea. Thoughts?[/quote]


this is the /endthread imo.

What players and teams need to start to realize is that Invite level tf2 will never be stable or competitive throughout the whole division unless there are more invite [B]quality[/B] teams, not just teams randomly thrown together before the season made up of invite or ex-invite players. What Invite needs to become competitive and continue its longevity and keep its integrity is that teams need to keep playing together for long periods of time, work up through the ranks, achieve some realistic goals and that way you will [B]create another invite quality team[/B], NOT another team thrown together with "invite" players on the roster, as that will not create any real competition.

I think the Invite blacklist is an amazing idea, this would be a great way to keep teams together and steadily improve as a team and work towards some real goals, much better then any "roster rule" would. additionally, It would more then likely stop the trend that sees teams form with all-stars weeks before the season, fails miserably, then everyone leaves and reforms another mix with the same players.

please TF2 community, deeply consider this suggestion from killing and you will see guaranteed improvement in competition across the board.

TLDR: Check powah's post at 139
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#113
0 Frags +

On top of what rr said, why would you include IM teams in a Invite LAN.

On top of what rr said, why would you include IM teams in a Invite LAN.
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#114
0 Frags +
rr-why would we even have a regular season in the first place if you used that idea. We may as well vote for the top 3 teams of the season at the very start, and then just randomly throw in another team

what?? why not just vote for the top 4 now then. i dont understand what you're getting at.

The idea is you play the regular invite season out and the top 3 go to lan. The rest of the invite teams have a playoffs after the season to decide the fourth spot.

The reason you use the top IM team is cause you want an even 6 teams in the playoffs rather than 5.

Or you could make the playoffs 4-7 and last place in invite gets demoted to IM

[quote=rr-]why would we even have a regular season in the first place if you used that idea. We may as well vote for the top 3 teams of the season at the very start, and then just randomly throw in another team[/quote]

what?? why not just vote for the top 4 now then. i dont understand what you're getting at.

The idea is you play the regular invite season out and the top 3 go to lan. The rest of the invite teams have a playoffs after the season to decide the fourth spot.

The reason you use the top IM team is cause you want an even 6 teams in the playoffs rather than 5.

Or you could make the playoffs 4-7 and last place in invite gets demoted to IM
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#115
0 Frags +

I really like the idea of the bottom invite team getting relegated to IM, and the top IM team moving up to take their spot in invite. And Ruwin has it right, you should have to earn your way to the top, no just get picked up w/out earning it.

I really like the idea of the bottom invite team getting relegated to IM, and the top IM team moving up to take their spot in invite. And Ruwin has it right, you should have to earn your way to the top, no just get picked up w/out earning it.
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#116
0 Frags +
OhMyZeus More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.

How do you force people to play together?

[quote=OhMyZeus] More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.[/quote]


How do you force people to play together?
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#117
3 Frags +

i remember weeble telling me how excited he is that he is moving to campus, specially that his roommates are gamers and his play schedule won't be affected

i remember weeble telling me how excited he is that he is moving to campus, specially that his roommates are gamers and his play schedule won't be affected
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#118
26 Frags +

that was before weeble started taking nightly baths in a tub of pussy

go get 'em tiger

that was before weeble started taking nightly baths in a tub of pussy

go get 'em tiger
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#119
0 Frags +
VickMOhMyZeus More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.
How do you force people to play together?

If you had to work through IM to get to invite, like ruwin was saying, I feel it would create more static rosters. Not saying player moves are bad, I mean "static" as in not wiping a team then restarting when things dont go well. Does that make sense?

[quote=VickM][quote=OhMyZeus] More static rosters will be WAY more appealing to sponsors then some team that brakes up after 7 games.[/quote]


How do you force people to play together?[/quote]

If you had to work through IM to get to invite, like ruwin was saying, I feel it would create more static rosters. Not saying player moves are bad, I mean "static" as in not wiping a team then restarting when things dont go well. Does that make sense?
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#120
8 Frags +
RuwinAllow me to explain. The reason people disrespect invite like this is because there is no prestige to it. Just about anyone can get in and then leave whenever they want with the door left wide open. In any other game you need to muscle your way up to invite and when you get there it's an accomplishment. In TF2 invite-status is handed to anyone who asks for it. If we don't earn it we don't respect it. You bet your sweet collective asses if people had to work their way up from open to invite there wouldn't be such a capricious division foundation nor would they take it for granted.

Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.

A thousand times this. Invite is about connections in this game rather than talent. It's fucking ridiculous how a gap in the roster is given to the first person they know rather than someone who is relevant in the high IM scene. Look at tehoreoz, I don't mean to pick on him - but he hasn't been relevant since fucking season 7. Getting into invite 5 seasons later simply by connections is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not singling him out, this game is full of glorified ringers who took the game seriously at one point and then come back years later. Players who don't care about improving and don't touch the game until a scrim or match rolls around. If you comprise a team solely of fickle players who are not actively in the scene and just lean on past talent to get them guaranteed roster spots then you're going to have a shit division.

[quote=Ruwin]Allow me to explain. The reason people disrespect invite like this is because there is no prestige to it. Just about anyone can get in and then leave whenever they want with the door left wide open. In any other game you need to muscle your way up to invite and when you get there it's an [i]accomplishment[/i]. In TF2 invite-status is handed to anyone who asks for it. If we don't earn it we don't respect it. You bet your sweet collective asses if people had to work their way up from open to invite there wouldn't be such a capricious division foundation nor would they take it for granted.

Bring in the blacklist. Bring in the open to intermediate to invite rule, I say.[/quote]A thousand times this. Invite is about connections in this game rather than talent. It's fucking ridiculous how a gap in the roster is given to the first person they know rather than someone who is relevant in the high IM scene. Look at tehoreoz, I don't mean to pick on him - but he hasn't been relevant since fucking season 7. Getting into invite 5 seasons later simply by connections is fucking ridiculous.

I'm not singling him out, this game is full of glorified ringers who took the game seriously at one point and then come back years later. Players who don't care about improving and don't touch the game until a scrim or match rolls around. If you comprise a team solely of fickle players who are not actively in the scene and just lean on past talent to get them guaranteed roster spots then you're going to have a shit division.
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