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Would you like to see TF2 come to ESL Play?
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Hi all, I have recently been in contact with the ESL Play Community Managers in regards to Team Fortress 2 and ESL. You may remember last year a ESL representative approached the community about what TF2 would like to see in the future.

With 2019 around the corner ESL would like to see another expression of interest from the community, which would be great for the games future and could offer more opportunities.

For ESL to consider the game, they require at least 100 yes votes and 100 comments in the ESL topic. It is also recommended that you follow this template for commenting as they will need to collect some data on locations etc.

Region (EU/NA/OCE/Asia): 
What would you like to see:
Any other comments:

https://forum.eslgaming.com/discussion/58436/

Edit: The response below:

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Hi all,

I would like to thank everyone who voted, this was a very quick process and showed that we had a lot of support for this. ESL loved how passionate the community is for the game!

Before we can move forward, I am going to cover somethings so the community understands how ESL Play and TF2 will work and to go over the structure.

https://cdn.eslgaming.com/misc/media/cm/structure.jpg

ESL's structure is based on participation. The more participants we see, the more we can offer to Team Fortress 2.

As the image shows, we will start at the bottom with ESL Open Cups, and progress all the way up to ESL Pro Events! This may seem a bit overwhelming but with community support this is achievable.

For ESL to progress us up to those levels, we need to increase the support for ESL Play. The more participants we have in tournaments, the more we can do such as Leagues and begin to roll in higher prize pools. But the keyword here is community, and ESL will be trying there best to support us and communicate to us regularly.

ESL Play Admins are watching this thread and will answer questions if they desire. Thanks everyone who has helped TF2 in anyway, lets hope we can make something good out of this.
Hi all, I have recently been in contact with the ESL Play Community Managers in regards to Team Fortress 2 and ESL. You may remember [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/42870/if-tf2-comes-to-esl-what-would-you-like-to-see]last year[/url] a ESL representative approached the community about what TF2 would like to see in the future.

With 2019 around the corner ESL would like to see another expression of interest from the community, which would be great for the games future and could offer more opportunities.

For ESL to consider the game, they require at least 100 yes votes and 100 comments in the ESL topic. It is also recommended that you follow this template for commenting as they will need to collect some data on locations etc.
[code]Region (EU/NA/OCE/Asia):
What would you like to see:
Any other comments:[/code]
https://forum.eslgaming.com/discussion/58436/


[b]Edit:[/b] The response below:
[spoiler]Hi all,

I would like to thank everyone who voted, this was a very quick process and showed that we had a lot of support for this. ESL loved how passionate the community is for the game!

Before we can move forward, I am going to cover somethings so the community understands how ESL Play and TF2 will work and to go over the structure.


[img]https://cdn.eslgaming.com/misc/media/cm/structure.jpg[/img] [i]ESL's structure is based on participation. The more participants we see, the more we can offer to Team Fortress 2.[/i]

As the image shows, we will start at the bottom with ESL Open Cups, and progress all the way up to ESL Pro Events! This may seem a bit overwhelming but with community support this is achievable.

For ESL to progress us up to those levels, we need to increase the support for ESL Play. The more participants we have in tournaments, the more we can do such as Leagues and begin to roll in higher prize pools. But the keyword here is community, and ESL will be trying there best to support us and communicate to us regularly.

ESL Play Admins are watching this thread and will answer questions if they desire. Thanks everyone who has helped TF2 in anyway, lets hope we can make something good out of this.
[/spoiler]
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we esport?

we esport?
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do we really need another league?

do we really need another league?
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So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?

So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?
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lets be real unless there were massive benefits for average players (not just the top level) like lan or prizepool for all levels over current etf2l, people arent gonna swap over

lets be real unless there were massive benefits for average players (not just the top level) like lan or prizepool for all levels over current etf2l, people arent gonna swap over
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oyeaSo what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?

it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die

[quote=oyea]So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?[/quote]

it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die
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Tbh i think its worth it even if it means a few cups with prizepools cause the top players would earn some walkin around money and we get some sick matches

Tbh i think its worth it even if it means a few cups with prizepools cause the top players would earn some walkin around money and we get some sick matches
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oyeaSo what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?

It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.

[quote=oyea]So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?[/quote]
It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.
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not gonna lie, go4tf2 would be just what tf2 needs in my eyes

incase people aren't aware, go4 cups are weekly cups with small(though in tf2 terms, decent) prize pools

not gonna lie, go4tf2 would be just what tf2 needs in my eyes

incase people aren't aware, go4 cups are weekly cups with small(though in tf2 terms, decent) prize pools
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gemmoyeaSo what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?
it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0309/30/1395244477165.png

[quote=gemm][quote=oyea]So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?[/quote]

it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die[/quote]

[img]https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0309/30/1395244477165.png[/img]
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Considering the almost non-existent prizepool in many TF2 leagues, why not give this a try?

Considering the almost non-existent prizepool in many TF2 leagues, why not give this a try?
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People want TF2 to evolve as an esport but don't want new changes. You never know this might just be the thing that launches us into the esport mainstream, but if you don't sign you will never know. It's up to us to show Valve the potential in TF2 and stop waiting for them to notice. This has been said before by better spoken people than me but its still true.

To summarize:

Why not give it a shot and sign?

People want TF2 to evolve as an esport but don't want new changes. You never know this might just be the thing that launches us into the esport mainstream, but if you don't sign you will never know. It's up to us to show Valve the potential in TF2 and stop waiting for them to notice. This has been said before by better spoken people than me but its still true.

To summarize:

Why not give it a shot and sign?
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i find it hilarious how people complain about esea, complain about faceit, complain about essentials cups but whenever something new comes along to offer a potentially better service it is rejected by the community.

i find it hilarious how people complain about esea, complain about faceit, complain about essentials cups but whenever something new comes along to offer a potentially better service it is rejected by the community.
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unless there are sponsored lan events, i don't see much point leaving esea.

unless there are sponsored lan events, i don't see much point leaving esea.
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go4 cups would be sick

go4 cups would be sick
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Booopunless there are sponsored lan events, i don't see much point leaving esea.

The more leagues the better, it’s not about the leagues fighting for player base it’s about maximizing real playtime and competition for players that want it. The more matches you can play In a week the better in my opinion. And obviously any extra prize money or money in general being put in is always nice

[quote=Booop]unless there are sponsored lan events, i don't see much point leaving esea.[/quote]

The more leagues the better, it’s not about the leagues fighting for player base it’s about maximizing real playtime and competition for players that want it. The more matches you can play In a week the better in my opinion. And obviously any extra prize money or money in general being put in is always nice
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gemmoyeaSo what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?
it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die

but what if it doesnt

[quote=gemm][quote=oyea]So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?[/quote]

it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die[/quote]
but what if it doesnt
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lucrativeThe more leagues the better, it’s not about the leagues fighting for player base it’s about maximizing real playtime and competition for players that want it.

esea vs cevo...

[quote=lucrative]
The more leagues the better, it’s not about the leagues fighting for player base it’s about maximizing real playtime and competition for players that want it.[/quote]
esea vs cevo...
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ThespikedballofdoomgemmoyeaSo what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?
it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die
but what if it doesnt

I understand your point, we have had many failures in this community over the last three years, but FACEIT is predominantly matchmaking and didn't offer real money prizes (I've never played it so don't hold me to that), and Razer Arena crashed and burnt.

As others have said, give it a go. We're talking about the world's largest esports company coming to Team Fortress 2.

[quote=Thespikedballofdoom][quote=gemm][quote=oyea]So what exactly would happen if tf2 came to ESL play? Would it be another league or cups or?[/quote]

it'd be another razer/faceit that people will try out then it'll die[/quote]
but what if it doesnt[/quote]
I understand your point, we have had many failures in this community over the last three years, but FACEIT is predominantly matchmaking and didn't offer real money prizes (I've never played it so don't hold me to that), and Razer Arena crashed and [url=www.razer.com/arena]burnt[/url].

As others have said, give it a go. We're talking about the world's [i]largest esports company[/i] coming to Team Fortress 2.
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You do realize getting onto ESL Play means nothing, right? Practically every game under the sun besides TF2 is on the platform and most of them see a few cups per month but not much.

If you're expecting prize pools, you're going to be disappointed unless a bunch of you want to fork out some cash for ESL Premium and give them some incentive to put some money forward. If TF2 gets on ESL Play, there will be some cups, but there will be almost no money unless they do an opening cup like FACEIT did with a small prize pool.

While it might sound interesting to have TF2 on ESL Play (by the way, saying that putting TF2 on ESL Play will have "the world's largest esports company 'supporting' TF2" is just ridiculous and it means nothing) there's not much it offers, as putting a game on a platform is much different from actually supporting the game's scene.

The last time this was brought up, people gained some interest, but the lack of actual traction showed that nobody really wanted it; they just wanted to see a new platform, even though they weren't going to use it. And people won't use it. They'll use it, see that there is some minor feature that an independent platform like match.tf has and quit using it. Or, they'll just grow tired and continue playing pugs normally.

Also...

Mitch_It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.

That's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.

You do realize getting onto ESL Play means nothing, right? Practically every game under the sun besides TF2 is on the platform and most of them see a few cups per month but not much.

If you're expecting prize pools, you're going to be disappointed unless a bunch of you want to fork out some cash for ESL Premium and give them some incentive to put some money forward. If TF2 gets on ESL Play, there will be some cups, but there will be almost no money unless they do an opening cup like FACEIT did with a small prize pool.

While it might sound interesting to have TF2 on ESL Play (by the way, saying that putting TF2 on ESL Play will have "the world's largest esports company 'supporting' TF2" is just ridiculous and it means nothing) there's not much it offers, as putting a game on a platform is [i]much different[/i] from actually supporting the game's scene.

The last time this was brought up, people gained some interest, but the lack of actual traction showed that nobody really wanted it; they just wanted to see a new platform, even though they weren't going to use it. And people won't use it. They'll use it, see that there is some minor feature that an independent platform like match.tf has and quit using it. Or, they'll just grow tired and continue playing pugs normally.

Also...

[quote=Mitch_]It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.[/quote]

That's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.
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bleghfarecYou do realize getting onto ESL Play means nothing, right? Practically every game under the sun besides TF2 is on the platform.

Isn't that every reason why we should be on ESL Play by now??? If other games deader than us are on ESL Play, surely that qualifies us on to the website.

bleghfarecIf you're expecting prize pools, you're going to be disappointed unless a bunch of you want to fork out some cash for ESL Premium and give them some incentive to put some money forward. If TF2 gets on ESL Play, there will be some cups, but there will be almost no money unless they do an opening cup like FACEIT did with a small prize pool.

I don't think you will be disappointed, Every Go4 cup has a prize pool, and all run weekly and/or monthly.

bleghfarecMitch_It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.
That's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.

I am simply relaying what was said from the ESL Play Community Manager. Please stop misleading people with your excuses and passive aggressiveness towards me, bleghfarec.

I don't wish to be rude to anyone but you can't just make excuses for something that hasn't even been seen yet, no one knows how it will run.

[quote=bleghfarec]You do realize getting onto ESL Play means nothing, right? Practically every game under the sun besides TF2 is on the platform.[/quote]
Isn't that every reason why we should be on ESL Play by now??? If other games deader than us are on ESL Play, surely that qualifies us on to the website.
[quote=bleghfarec]If you're expecting prize pools, you're going to be disappointed unless a bunch of you want to fork out some cash for ESL Premium and give them some incentive to put some money forward. If TF2 gets on ESL Play, there will be some cups, but there will be almost no money unless they do an opening cup like FACEIT did with a small prize pool.
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I don't think you will be disappointed, [url=http://play.eslgaming.com/global/go4]Every Go4 cup has a prize pool[/url], and all run weekly and/or monthly.
[quote=bleghfarec]
[quote=Mitch_]It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.[/quote]

That's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.[/quote]
I am simply relaying what was said from the ESL Play Community Manager. Please stop misleading people with your excuses and passive aggressiveness towards me, bleghfarec.

I don't wish to be rude to anyone but you can't just make excuses for something that hasn't even been seen yet, no one knows how it will run.
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Mitch_It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.bleghfarecThat's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.

Why are you assuming things about a conversation you haven't read lol

[quote=Mitch_]It's purely up to the community to decide what ESL would do for us. This includes what format, rules and if it would be simple Go4 cups or fully decked leagues.[/quote]

[quote=bleghfarec]That's not how that works. Please stop misleading people with your blind optimism, Mitch.[/quote]

Why are you assuming things about a conversation you haven't read lol
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I dont see any reason why we shouldn't at least try to be on ESL? Just hope its not like all the other times when nobody signs up because theyre scared they might play a prem team and waste 10 mins of their life

(Also why are they giving 6k a month to a mobile game lmao)

I dont see any reason why we shouldn't at least try to be on ESL? Just hope its not like all the other times when nobody signs up because theyre scared they might play a prem team and waste 10 mins of their life

(Also why are they giving 6k a month to a mobile game lmao)
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yea remember the essentials monthlies....

yea remember the essentials monthlies....
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mathemaphysicistyea remember the essentials monthlies....

Those died simply because we never saw our money.

[quote=mathemaphysicist]yea remember the essentials monthlies....[/quote]

Those died simply because we never saw our money.
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go for it

go for it
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Please make sure people are putting in what they want to see from ESL, they want to know everything from the type of tournament to rules, structures, maps etc.

It would also be great if people can share the poll around, I've made a twitter post if it helps: https://twitter.com/mitchc___/status/1054340800388034560

Please make sure people are putting in what they want to see from ESL, they want to know everything from the type of tournament to rules, structures, maps etc.

It would also be great if people can share the poll around, I've made a twitter post if it helps: https://twitter.com/mitchc___/status/1054340800388034560
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I'd dig it

I'd dig it
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Honestly, it would need something to set it apart from ESEA. A LAN would be good. ESEA already has said they're open to hosting them if we get more teams, though. Idk, maybe I'm just cynical, but without someone actually sponsoring prizepools in this league, I just don't see it going anywhere.

Honestly, it would need something to set it apart from ESEA. A LAN would be good. ESEA already has said they're open to hosting them if we get more teams, though. Idk, maybe I'm just cynical, but without someone actually sponsoring prizepools in this league, I just don't see it going anywhere.
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Yes

Yes
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