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it's very simple- people don't wanna be wrong or look salty/uninformed, so everyone half-jokingly says people are cheating all the time; then if anyone finds proof, we all pile on and say "I KNEW IT, LOOK WHAT I SAID A YEAR AGO", and if the person goes to lan and pounds and nothing comes out we say "I was just kidding trololol"

ok that's going a LITTLE far

I think most people would underrate ruwin if they didn't see him at his absolute peak, as short as it was

as a tf2 shia, I believe that one day the occluded mahdi (Tony Swan) will return and defeat the forces of evil (b4nny) once and for all

I totally agree with this (in sports too, I love me some bill russell and slingin' sammy baugh), my issues with the list have more been in a) overvaluing lan wins vs other wins and b) overvaluing longevity vs peak

but re: boomers I think, for instance, that both Kalkin and artist belong on this list, because they both won a season of invite and beat b4nny in the process which is impressive; some might put Kalkin higher cuz he did it on lan, or artist higher cuz he did it in a higher skill era, but overall I don't see how you could have one without the other

id prolly put corsa higher and justin lower, but again this is a great group of players

destro was probably the demo most frequently considered to be the best before b4nny came along (even above solidsnake), so him making the top 50 is not crazy to me

maybe I can allow myself to attend as a reward if I can wrangle enough boomers to meet a quota

jerax too

pretty sure this was at i46

I personally think this ranking is extremely fair for grape, I don't think he really made top 2 that much (other than the 3rd place b4nny season)

I may quibble with a bit of the ordering here or there but this is a pretty good selection of players overall

ww was a legend, I may honestly have him even higher tbh

"man why is every pug on badlands"

I don't see why you'd think that, shade fits just about every criteria anyone has- played in both boomer and zoomer(ish) eras, crazy longevity, on the best team in the world

I agree as a whole, and as I've said to lots of people privately, I think too often people think the chain of causality post-mixup was everyone losing motivation -> froyo dominating, when in reality it's the other way around; froyo dominating is what LED to people losing motivation, and even if the mixup players had stuck around the balance of power was shifting pretty irrevocably. That being said, I still think it's fair to use the eye test and subjective opinion to order those froyo players/compare them against each other. For instance, duwatna generally played a more supportive role and, for my money, was probably the weakest player on i52 froyotech (not saying much because that lineup was insane but still). By contrast, habib has been, along with b4nny, THE most important player on froyo for seasons and seasons.

By that logic, I think you could see a pretty strong tier list emerging of (and this is not an exhaustive list, it's just for demonstration):

S-tier: b4nny (around for the whole shebang)
A-tier: the inner circle froyo members- clock, habib, blaze, yomps, shade, nursey, arekk, prolly lansky
B-tier: players who contributed for multiple seasons- cookiejake, duwatna, muma, paddie, freestate, skeez
C-tier: players who only briefly played for froyo- sigh, aim, botmode, TLR, mirrorman, dummy, dave__ac, corsa, ruwin, phorofor, ninjanick, decimate*

*a lot of these players will still be high up because of what they've done on other teams, just saying for froyo specifically

I think anyone in A-tier is pretty much required to be at least top 20 if not top 10 on the list given how dominant froyo has been, whereas people below that would have to have other accomplishments to reach that level.

Again, this is subjective; there are definitely people who might put duwatna higher than I do, or arekk lower, etc. I'm just showing a way you can look at this sort of thing logically; you start from the assumption that being on froyo at all is an insane achievement, and then work backwards from there based on longevity and just how central the player was to their success.