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DreamboatI think the name I'm most intrigued to see where Tery places on this list is Ruwin
I also think Tery will place him lower than I would on the list, which is totally fair.
I think most people would underrate ruwin if they didn't see him at his absolute peak, as short as it was
THEBILLDOZERdbksome of yall taking this shit way too seriouslyif my favorite invite player, okiewaka, does not make top 10 on this list, i am going to kidnap tery and execute him isis style on stream at rgl lan
as a tf2 shia, I believe that one day the occluded mahdi (Tony Swan) will return and defeat the forces of evil (b4nny) once and for all
WhovianPeople really bagging on the boomers this list includes? You don't see people trashing Athletes from back in the day because there times are shit in comparison to current records. So why we judging players who competed on shit box 2008 PCs without MGE, Aim trainers, Jump Maps and 13 extra years of strategy refinement? Honest question?
I totally agree with this (in sports too, I love me some bill russell and slingin' sammy baugh), my issues with the list have more been in a) overvaluing lan wins vs other wins and b) overvaluing longevity vs peak
but re: boomers I think, for instance, that both Kalkin and artist belong on this list, because they both won a season of invite and beat b4nny in the process which is impressive; some might put Kalkin higher cuz he did it on lan, or artist higher cuz he did it in a higher skill era, but overall I don't see how you could have one without the other
id prolly put corsa higher and justin lower, but again this is a great group of players
destro was probably the demo most frequently considered to be the best before b4nny came along (even above solidsnake), so him making the top 50 is not crazy to me
maybe I can allow myself to attend as a reward if I can wrangle enough boomers to meet a quota
kirisameserral, allu, aleksib
jerax too
IloSSpeaking of Mackey's off-classing I'm almost certain he had a play on badlands where he would go engi on offense. His team pushed and i think it didn't go that well. But he came in at the end of the push and placed a sentry lower entrance and got the cap thanks his level 1 sentry. I remember it as such a crazy and epic play!
pretty sure this was at i46
brodyheres my outraged grape fanboy post
I personally think this ranking is extremely fair for grape, I don't think he really made top 2 that much (other than the 3rd place b4nny season)
I may quibble with a bit of the ordering here or there but this is a pretty good selection of players overall
ww was a legend, I may honestly have him even higher tbh
"man why is every pug on badlands"
Wi11iammustardoverlordK1Irrespective of individual rankings, medics seem to be overrepresented in the bottom 50 imo. Hope I'm wrong tho and it turns out there are tons of great medics that just haven't appeared yet.
shade, nursey, harbleu if he counts, cozen, thefragile, pyyyour off the top of my head
there may be more too idk
I know that shade is going to be done dirty, but I really hope he and nursey make it to at least top 20
I don't see why you'd think that, shade fits just about every criteria anyone has- played in both boomer and zoomer(ish) eras, crazy longevity, on the best team in the world
clckwrkfroyotech was built out of b4nny's failure to win the prior season, so certainly there are players you can say had as much say in froyo's victories as b4nny, whether that's me, habib, shade, blaze, lansky, even duwatna...the list goes on. This is also TF2, there's no buyout or contract stopping players from playing with their desired teammates. A lot of the time, the best players from underdog teams wind up either being on froyo, or back then mixup, not because b4nny is running a charity event, but because they give him the best chance of winning. So it's a bit unfair to judge players too harshly just because they were teammates with b4nny.
I agree as a whole, and as I've said to lots of people privately, I think too often people think the chain of causality post-mixup was everyone losing motivation -> froyo dominating, when in reality it's the other way around; froyo dominating is what LED to people losing motivation, and even if the mixup players had stuck around the balance of power was shifting pretty irrevocably. That being said, I still think it's fair to use the eye test and subjective opinion to order those froyo players/compare them against each other. For instance, duwatna generally played a more supportive role and, for my money, was probably the weakest player on i52 froyotech (not saying much because that lineup was insane but still). By contrast, habib has been, along with b4nny, THE most important player on froyo for seasons and seasons.
By that logic, I think you could see a pretty strong tier list emerging of (and this is not an exhaustive list, it's just for demonstration):
S-tier: b4nny (around for the whole shebang)
A-tier: the inner circle froyo members- clock, habib, blaze, yomps, shade, nursey, arekk, prolly lansky
B-tier: players who contributed for multiple seasons- cookiejake, duwatna, muma, paddie, freestate, skeez
C-tier: players who only briefly played for froyo- sigh, aim, botmode, TLR, mirrorman, dummy, dave__ac, corsa, ruwin, phorofor, ninjanick, decimate*
*a lot of these players will still be high up because of what they've done on other teams, just saying for froyo specifically
I think anyone in A-tier is pretty much required to be at least top 20 if not top 10 on the list given how dominant froyo has been, whereas people below that would have to have other accomplishments to reach that level.
Again, this is subjective; there are definitely people who might put duwatna higher than I do, or arekk lower, etc. I'm just showing a way you can look at this sort of thing logically; you start from the assumption that being on froyo at all is an insane achievement, and then work backwards from there based on longevity and just how central the player was to their success.
glassi think freestate is a bit low
but this list inevitably is running into the b4nny problem: everyone he plays with wins. how much credit do they get vs how much credit does he get
y'all keep saying championships matter the most, but if you go by that, like 10 of the first 12 players will be from froyotech. and you will complain about that too
this is why I think the eye test/peak performance/how hard players carried their teams should be a major factor
with that framework, freestate being a bit lower isn't crazy, but I'd also argue someone like campy or lolguy should be a lot higher
K1Irrespective of individual rankings, medics seem to be overrepresented in the bottom 50 imo. Hope I'm wrong tho and it turns out there are tons of great medics that just haven't appeared yet.
shade, nursey, harbleu if he counts, cozen, thefragile, pyyyour off the top of my head
there may be more too idk
the only thing worse than this thread is that i kinda half got the reference