Alright, I've given it a bit more thought and I'm pretty sure now that I'm going to buy the 5800X.

I've looked at the B450 options you listed, couldn't really find the Mortar consistently but the Tomahawk seems good. My only question is about the two versions I found in ATX, being Max (7C02-020R) and Max II (7C02-014R), is there a difference that justifies the slight price gap (~5-7 euros) ? I couldn't really notice one myself but I'm no expert.

For the cooler, since PBO might be interesting as you suggested, and since ideally the kind of temps I would want to keep are like a max of ~70-75°C at full load for a little bit of durability (if that's a stupid goal feel free to disagree), I've mostly been looking at the be quiet! Dark Rock 4 and Noctua DH-U14S, which I can find for 59 and 68 euros respectively. That is, two of the best single tower coolers, and midrange coolers on the global scale as you suggested. Do you have a recommendation between the two ? Or do I need a dual tower cooler like the Dark Rock Pro 4 or NH-D15 instead for that temperature goal ?

Also you mentioned "4 SR DIMMs" but I'm not entirely sure what that refers to precisely ? Is it not the classic 4-slot DDR4 DIMM that seems to be pretty standard and is to be found on the Tomahawk like on most motherboards ? Sorry about being completely ignorant on that part.

slightly off-topic but are you guys planning on doing a sunshine refresh too at some point ? if so it's probably an obvious fix and one of the first you'd tackle I suppose but the lighthouses being so inconsistent for jumping are a real setback on 2nd in terms of map flow in my opinion.

No, higher resolution definitely doesn't matter for me, at least not for a couple more years at least.

I guess with those last arguments I'm probably not going to go for the 10700K, especially if both 5600X (even overclocked) and 5800X can fit on the old PSU.

Now I realize maybe I could consider going a bit overkill since I don't buy components all that often at all, so given that the 5800X is not worth overclocking (and might be tight for the PSU if oc'd) from what I've read, I would see 3 buying scenarios if I keep that PSU then : one for a 5600X that I don't overclock (if I want to keep my money), one for a 5600X that I do overclock, and one for a 5800X that I don't overclock.

Would you have a mobo and cooler recommendation for each of these scenarios ? Or if that's a bit too much work, just an estimate of the combo price for each scenario ?

Alright, thanks for the useful graph and info !

How big is the gap in performance between the 5600X @4.7 GHz and i7-10700K @5.1 GHz ? I believe we've mostly talked about the gap at stock, that's why I'm asking, and I've mostly only found benchmarks at stock too. Would it justify paying for a new PSU ? (assuming similar prices for mobo+cooler no matter what CPU I choose)

The only thing that would bother me is choosing the W of the PSU I would get if I were to change in any case, since I could end up upgrading my 1070 in a few years, and would then be annoyed if I had to change the PSU again just because of average midrange (70-ish) GPUs' power usage values being really high at that point in time (not sure if there is a way to make a good assumption on how power consumption will evolve in the next few years in the GPU department).

Yeah I realize most of what I said is incoherent, and no matter how I try to think about it, the 5800X is probably not worth it. So it's really either 5600X or 10700K.

We have around 10-20% better performance for the 10700K in rendering as you said, and slightly better performance from the 5600X in games and editing. Does that remain true when you go up on overclocks for both ? And do the thermals and power consumption discrepancies remain at a similar ratio when the overclock makes both of them go up too ?

If I really think about it, my time in video work is mostly going to be editing for like 90% of the time, and 10% rendering anyway, since the type of videos I do require quite a bit of time in editing. So maybe the gap in rendering doesn't matter that much, and I'm trying to shift to better GPU use in rendering with Voukoder and other plugins as of recently anyway.

My 1070 is the EVGA SC Gaming Black Edition, I haven't overclocked it myself but I believe it is by default like most aftermarket graphic cards ? My PSU is fine for stock clocks I suppose yes but how far will I be able to go in overclocking with it ? Is 5.1 GHz on the i7 or 4.7 GHz on the Ryzen 5 (which I believe is the typical max OC target ?) manageable with a good motherboard and that PSU ? (if the cheaper and equally good move is a better PSU and a cheaper motherboard then I'm down obviously but I doubt it based on what you said with the mobos)

Just what I thought about future proofing, it's not a valid criterion for choosing a CPU. Thanks for the confirmation.
Assuming my use case doesn't change much in the coming 3-4 years or so and I end up having a much different type of use after that, which could be true regarding real life objectives, I would probably not care about how my CPU performs in 5 years since I'd either not need it anymore or just get a new one.

I've made my calculation in terms of budget and assuming it's not worth it to overclock the 5800X, like most guides seem to suggest (especially if I do 80% gaming and 20% editing), upon checking prices on geizhals, it seems like I could have around 450 for the CPU and 65 for the SSD, and then based on the no overclock probably settle for a cooler like the Noctua DH-15 or Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 (if I want to keep things at around 70°C max). If I say I'm getting an entry-level B550 mobo then I'd be at around 700 euros in total. So that would make the 5800X affordable somehow. Or am I wrong in terms of motherboards ? Should I go for a better one, especially if my PSU is tight (450W where calculators seem to recommend 500W at least for 5800X + 1070) ? Am I wasting money on a 5% performance increase compared to the 10700K or 5600X with a 25-30% price gap ?

That last calculation would make it seem unreasonable to go for the 5800X, but I'm wondering if thermals, power consumption, motherboard prices, possible PSU issues and/or necessary upgrade and socket features make the gap much more reasonable somehow, especially in comparison to the 10700K ?

That being said, a similar no-overclock setup for the 10700KF would mean around 100 euros less total. But at the same time many of the stuff cited above seems to narrow the gap quite a bit. And it seems like overclocking the 10700KF is actually worth it, so I probably would be underestimating the costs for getting the most out of that CPU somehow ?

I'm having a very hard time figuring out which CPU would be the best choice, sorry if I'm unclear.

Hello again, I'm now pretty sure that I will end up gifting my CPU, mobo and cooler to my brother, or giving them to him for a very small, symbolic amount if he insists on it, so that this should mean no gain in budget for the main upgrade overall, but also mean that I don't really intend to build a secondary PC anymore, at least in the near future. So we could actually consider going over 600-700 euros a little bit if worth it.

Also, I would like to mention that I am currently in Germany, and returning to France on the last weekend of February, which leads me to think that I should probably buy my new CPU, mobo, SSD and cooler here in Germany and bring them back with me on my way home, seeing as prices in France are much higher (more than 20% more for the 10700KF for instance). That would mean that I'd end up buying everything in 3 or 4 weeks. I've mostly been looking at Alternate for prices but feel free to recommend any other retailers that are worth checking out.

For the SSD, I've been looking at the Mushkin Pilot-E 500 GB, as suggested by the guide you linked to me, which is at 65 euros on Alternate.

For the CPU, well it's not that easy to choose. I think I'd lean towards the 10700K rather than the 5600X simply because of 8-core performance in editing, but at the same time since I'm no professional and don't intend to be one, would it really be worth it in terms of trade-off for the single-core performance in games ? Is 8 cores more "future-proof" (if that even means anything with how CPUs evolve) if my main use remains games and editing for the coming years ?

I would go a bit over budget and buy the 5800X with my eyes closed considering it pretty much solves the single/multithreaded tradeoff problem, if only the huge price premium (+150 euros on Alternate compared to the 10700K) didn't seem so undeserved. Is there any chance of it becoming more reasonable in Germany by the end of February ? Or even reasonable in France in March or so ? Is it worth waiting ?

I was going to start talking about overclocking, mobos and coolers initially, but I suppose we should settle firmly for a CPU before doing so. At least the part about reusing components or not is sorted out.

is this going to happen if the signed up teams remain so few ? (14/72 as of right now)

Thanks a lot for the advice, no worries for the being lazy part I can perfectly understand !

I'll wait until I'm sure whether I'm selling/giving the CPU+mobo+cooler combo or not and what CPU I'd like to get depending on that first condition as you suggested, and then ask again for further advice on mobos, coolers, PSUs and SSDs.

Alright thanks for the input, so I would say we have 2 scenarios then, depending on whether I sell or gift the CPU+mobo+cooler combo or not :

• if I don't, I should probably go for the 9900KF, keep the PSU, mobo and cooler, aim for a 4.7 GHz oc (will the cooler suffice for that too ? Else I can keep it for the 8350K and buy a beefier one) or keep it stock and rely on boosts, and then figure out a potential 8GB RAM + cheap used mobo for the 8350K, plus (used) case/GPU/PSU/small SSD for cheap, and get an NVMe M.2 500GB SSD for the main PC ; how much would that possibly amount to ? do you have any mobos, coolers and NVMe's to recommend (if you have time for this of course) ?
  
• if I do, then I would probably say, based on the information you gave me, that either the 10700K or the 5600X are the best options and that they're fairly equivalent? In which case I would only need a mobo and a cooler for either of those, along with an NVMe M.2 SSD (and maybe a PSU I suppose unless it's a similar power draw to the 9900KF ?), but nothing else because of no secondary PC. Would you have any recommendations in that case too ?

Thanks again for all the advice !

All this sounds a bit tight, but it might be worth it, thanks for the advice !

Now let's assume that in a different scenario I were to gift/sell mobo+CPU+cooler instead of just the chip (a few people asked me for either of those), what new "combo" should I then go for ? I could gift/sell the PSU as well if necessary, or gift/sell/keep a small secondary PC with all those 4 components + a few second-hand ones like I intended to in my first post.

Budget for the upgrade should be around the same, that is 600-700 euros max.

I see, thanks a lot for your answer ! But assuming I want to keep similar performance in most games, I'd need to overclock the i9-9900KF to a similar clockrate : wouldn't I then need a new cooler ? I'm pretty sure the VRMs on my mobo aren't the best either, so I'm unsure how I'd manage to reach 4.7-8 GHz safely. (if I were to change my motherboard I'd rather use that occasion to get something even more recent like a 10700KF or 5800X, but that's another topic)

I'm very surprised about 450W being enough for an oc'd 9900KF + 1070 but if you say so I guess I'm overestimating how much it puts out.

I definitely don't need more than 8/16 of course, I'm no professional.

Hey ! I've gotten a lot more into video editing over the past few months, and I'm starting to feel very limited by my i3-8350K @4.7 GHz in that regard, since it's a 4/4 CPU. So I'm looking to upgrade my CPU and maybe other components if worth it, ideally towards the end of February or the beginning of March (hopefully things are in stock or at a price close to MSRP by then). My current build is :

- MSI Z370 A-PRO
- i3-8350K @4.7 GHz
- Be Quiet! Pure Rock
- 16GB RAM @3200 MHz
- GTX 1070
- Crucial MX500 SSD
- Seagate 1TB 7200RPM HDD
- Corsair CX450M PSU
- Fractal Design Focus G

I was considering getting a 500GB NVMe M.2 SSD to get Windows, basic programs and a few games like TF2 or Apex on too, so that I could have my footage and working directories on my SATA SSD, and thus gain performance in editing and rendering compared to having it on my HDD. Not sure about getting 16 more gigs of RAM, would that really be worth it ? I might have to change the PSU if I get a much beefier CPU as well I suppose. As for the GPU, correct me if I'm wrong but I still believe it's more than enough for 1440p-4K editing.

Ideally the goal would be to have a much smoother editing experience, without too much lag or delay in previews and upon making changes, while not sacrificing too much performance in games like TF2 or Apex at 1080p144 in general (assuming I were to lose single-core performance upon getting more cores, but maybe that's a bit stupid considering the performance of the last AMD lineup for instance). I also play some graphics-heavier games here and there but that shouldn't be too much of a factor since they're mostly GPU-bound I believe.

(On a side note, I'm planning on not throwing away my mobo, CPU and cooler if I am to swap them out, and would then consider buying a case, RAM, small SSD, PSU and cheap GPU second hand to combine with those for a second little PC than I can use for LANs (lol) or at-home 2-PC gaming with friends and family, or even gift to a friend eventually, so if you have any recommendations for that part I'd be interested too)

Budget for the main upgrade would be around 600-700 euros max ideally, and around 200-250 for the second little PC.

Thanks in advance !

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