wonderoflits not crazy, nevermind "delusional." now u didnt give me anything to work with and i feel this is ur own way of getting ur upfrags or whatever, but ill give you my reasoning and if ur an honest person i'll hear out why you disagree.
so after making this, its a bit long and not rly organized so ill just put the button here for anyone that wants to see my reasoning but it reads almost like my notetaking yknow.Show Contentcompared to usual, froyo was struggling hard against teams they usually wouldnt be, to the point of there being i know at least one 16 minute 5-0 against what i remember as a pugscrim. in my eyes jay being moved from scout is already a negative weighing them down, even with the time to recuperate from that change theyre trading the best scout in the game for a fantastic soldier, its not a trade you wanna make willingly. and while arekks very good and seemed to derust since rgl lan, i can pretty much guarantee he wouldve done even better if he had gotten to properly play the season like on a real team. admittedly though i didnt look at arekk closely this lan, it was mainly rgl lan i specifically looked at him, where things like this were happening. this lan i was paying more attention to chaddie, and to be fair he did play better than i expected but i was expecting something abysmal, the guy hasnt played at this level since i dont know and hes already what i consider a downgrade from marmaloo even if at peak, and its another roster transaction on top of that? it is froyo and none of them are noobs but i still think u can only have so many of those changes before it rly starts hurting u. even after froyo winning it wasnt the team i recognized. i think another thing thats pretty bullshit is i heard that jay didnt feel comfortable going sniper because of something to do with the monitors, and thats just so bad. im not kidding when i say jay sniper is pretty much an integral piece of froyo at this point
like i said i made this longer than i intended but ramblings aside, i hope this at least says im not full of shit and have no basis. i didnt bother watching this lan the first day cuz i was that sure froyo was gonna get creamed. it turns out though that i made the right choice, just for the wrong reason lol
I genuinely do not think you are "full of shit" or "have no basis" as you said, although I must say I had no way to know if you had any of the latter until now and the tone on both occurrences of that one sentence mostly felt like you intended to diss EU teams just cause why not.
Now for the reasons why I believe you are completely out of proportion on your assumption.
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- You overestimate how far behind marmaloo & jay paddie & arekk are on their respective roles in terms of mechanics. As you said, neither of them performed too poorly individually speaking: that's simply because they had some time to get back to a level where they were more than decent enough to execute the plays required by their team. The difference in individual mechanical skill involved here is only marginal. Heck, arekk even carried quite a few important teamfights.
- You also overestimate how much marginal differences in individual mechanical skill matter in an international LAN grand final compared to core experience both as a player and as a team. What was one of the biggest factors that explained the massive discrepancy in team performance for Ascent.NA between UBF and GF at i65? Main stage international LAN finals experience, both individually and as a team. Pressure hit them hard. None of the individual skill was fundamentally lacking. paddie and arekk have at least as much, if not more of that experience compared to marmaloo and jay on their respective roles. If b4nny took paddie seriously when he offered to fill in for i69, it's because he knew what part of his skillset mattered most: his past experience with froyotech on the international and continental scene.
- Now I'll admit one important thing regarding my previous point: arguably, the team experience would have been stronger with their long-term roster of this year. That is, they would have been more confident in their usual plays crafted this year. But that's where the specificity of this EU Lan comes in: EU teams are NOT (that roster of) Froyo's usual playground. Not at all. There's a reason we've been discussing how NA vs EU plays out so hard this weekend: it has nothing to do with how NA vs NA plays out! Froyo's usual roster might have been more confident and efficient in teamfights since that is what NA revolves around, but the clash of playstyles induced that there were little to none compared to usual! Do you really believe that one roster would have fared 10 times better against all the last holds, stalemates and banners, when its strength and training experience throughout the year had been exactly the opposite? Marginal mechanical skill differences also take an L with this feature: they arguably matter far less in stalemates than they do in teamfights (save for sniper maybe, but alas the monitors would have been the same no matter the roster...).
The reasoning stands for G6: similar playstyle if not more dm-oriented even, same training experience throughout the year, and similar mechanical skill levels judging from NA Lan/League results.
- You also overestimate how much marginal differences in individual mechanical skill matter in an international LAN grand final compared to core experience both as a player and as a team. What was one of the biggest factors that explained the massive discrepancy in team performance for Ascent.NA between UBF and GF at i65? Main stage international LAN finals experience, both individually and as a team. Pressure hit them hard. None of the individual skill was fundamentally lacking. paddie and arekk have at least as much, if not more of that experience compared to marmaloo and jay on their respective roles. If b4nny took paddie seriously when he offered to fill in for i69, it's because he knew what part of his skillset mattered most: his past experience with froyotech on the international and continental scene.
- Now I'll admit one important thing regarding my previous point: arguably, the team experience would have been stronger with their long-term roster of this year. That is, they would have been more confident in their usual plays crafted this year. But that's where the specificity of this EU Lan comes in: EU teams are NOT (that roster of) Froyo's usual playground. Not at all. There's a reason we've been discussing how NA vs EU plays out so hard this weekend: it has nothing to do with how NA vs NA plays out! Froyo's usual roster might have been more confident and efficient in teamfights since that is what NA revolves around, but the clash of playstyles induced that there were little to none compared to usual! Do you really believe that one roster would have fared 10 times better against all the last holds, stalemates and banners, when its strength and training experience throughout the year had been exactly the opposite? Marginal mechanical skill differences also take an L with this feature: they arguably matter far less in stalemates than they do in teamfights (save for sniper maybe, but alas the monitors would have been the same no matter the roster...).
The reasoning stands for G6: similar playstyle if not more dm-oriented even, same training experience throughout the year, and similar mechanical skill levels judging from NA Lan/League results.