fake and gay

tf2 right now is like those rate problems in 5th grade algebra, except we're seeing if faceit can save tf2 faster than valve can kill it

I never took algebra in 5th grade :(

jesus christ this thread has been made at least 15 times in the past year
if you like the game, continue to play. if you dont, dont.

Tbh the thing killing tf2 is all the youtubers bitching about valve, and with their clickbait vid titles "IS TF2 DYING?!?!" If these youtubers didnt post as much of these shit vids you would never see one of these threads

as game itself tf2 will be alive for a long time imo

comp tf2 having a hard time when a lot of people qutting and less people interested to play comp

valve is killing tf2 now but blaming valve is stupid af the communities been killing itself for years before valve fucked stuff up

this is a meme at this point

6's population has been declining since CEVO at least

we've finally hit the point where all the people who joined before then are starting to quit so its really noticeable now

you're also seeing the thing where no one new joined the community between like seasons 8 and 10 so there was this weird power gap a year later of upper invite and everyone else cause no one new had joined and gotten better but it took a year to be visible

edit for clarification: 3rd paragraph is an example. Platinum I think mentioned once how marmadukegrylls was like the only player in invite who started playing between a certain period before the f2p update. You had a decent amount of older players from the beginning of ESEA and shit and a few who had gotten really good from seasons 12 on but there was this weird gap where you had basically no players who had their first season. I think the CEVO/ESEA split drove away a fair amount of people and you started to see the people who were low/mid open back then (people on my teams) finally start to really get into IM/Invite within the past few seasons. I think the CEVO/ESEA season (and the ones leading up to it) was the last time 6s really got a strong surge of players interested in 6s/ESEA so now that we've had the big population boom finally reach their "endgame" we're seeing how the population growth started to taper off in the past two years. Even if interest in 6s grew to CSGO levels in the next month you'd still have a good 12-24 month turn around before we started seeing people really hitting ESEA hard. If ESEA doesn't see a slight increase in interest as a result of MM in the next few seasons the game is probably on its final downslide

wrong

Wasn't surprised to see that it was the one and only mitchcliff123 who created this original discussion thread.

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you what? I just opened this thread as things are changing and I wanted to know what people think of the topic.

So look at one of the 1000 other threads that have popped up on the forum.

piss off

when tf2 is older than the people posting these types of threads you know the game is well and truly dead.

nah it definitely hurts

keep in mind the only real reason a game is "alive" or "dead" from an esports scene is how monetizable it is. Dota and CS do well because they get millions in twitch and youtube views which generate multiple sources of income for both players (driving league sign ups and game interest) and companies (ad revenue is an incentive, companies will create a show to acquire it). A lack of visibility is a fair reason that TF2 always struggled. I'd say TF2 was far healthier a year and a half ago when streamers were on the main menu just because it helped drive that player interest. You can say star_ was just a pub player but watching his videos made me want to play TF2 and I doubt I'm the only player who felt that way.

what is not dead,

bread
Welcome home pop

i cant wait until CappingTV dies

dunno

Well obviously there is no real money in team fortress 2 to give players an incentive to keep playing the game. The only real incentive is to be able make it to the higher levels of tf2 and succeed. I've always thought, once I get to those higher levels then... what now? The only reason I still play it is because it's fun and it's the only game my computer can run semi-decent. Sure there are lans now and then but you clearly can't make a living off of them. As a wise man once said....