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Highlander article missing
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#31
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was there an actual reason given why they dropped esea open/im coverage? (i just found out about this)

was there an actual reason given why they dropped esea open/im coverage? (i just found out about this)
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#32
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Highlander has had more active players than 6v6 in NA for at least the last 2.5 years

Highlander has had more active players than 6v6 in NA for at least the last 2.5 years
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#33
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I thought the article missing was a bug? Why would the biggest comp news site block news about the largest gamemode in comp? doesn't make sense.

I thought the article missing was a bug? Why would the biggest comp news site block news about the largest gamemode in comp? doesn't make sense.
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#34
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Highlander is welcome to be posted as a thread or event. Hell, all of our recently listed events have been HL casts.

We are the home of competitive TF2. However, our News facet is no longer going to be used for what it used to be used for. Highlander is one of the things dropped in the transition.

You are welcome to post threads about MvM speedrun strategies, or BBall tournaments, or whatever you well please connected to competitive TF2. The News section is just not the place to do it.

Highlander is welcome to be posted as a thread or event. Hell, all of our recently listed events have been HL casts.

We are the home of competitive TF2. However, our News facet is no longer going to be used for what it used to be used for. Highlander is one of the things dropped in the transition.


You are welcome to post threads about MvM speedrun strategies, or BBall tournaments, or whatever you well please connected to competitive TF2. The News section is just not the place to do it.
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#35
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comparing one of the biggest competitive scenes in TF2 to bball is probably not helping you here, methinks

comparing one of the biggest competitive scenes in TF2 to bball is probably not helping you here, methinks
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#36
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Anything competitive is allowed on this site is what I'm getting at.

The News section is just repurposed.

Anything competitive is allowed on this site is what I'm getting at.

The News section is just repurposed.
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#37
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Is there somewhere that explains why the News section has been repurposed to omit a very large chunk of competitive TF2?

Is there somewhere that explains why the News section has been repurposed to omit a very large chunk of competitive TF2?
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#38
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crossfirewas there an actual reason given why they dropped esea open/im coverage? (i just found out about this)

TFTV, as an organization, has opted to move towards covering only the highest level of competitive play (Invite/Prem/Regional Equivalent) and other, community wide important news. Part of it was a focusing of efforts and volunteers, but it was also a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.

For what its worth, I think its absolutely a shit move and the wrong way to go, this community is not now, and will never be, the kind of community that CSGO/LOL/DOTA are. Instead we are something different, a closer knit and tighter community where people enjoy seeing themselves represented and supported in more "official" news outlets. For many teams/people, this is the only recognition they will ever get for their efforts in TF2. As a writer of several seasons of open/IM writeups, I was very sad to see these go.

However, it is the decision of the site owners and operators that is the most important to consider. It is, after all, their site.

[quote=crossfire]was there an actual reason given why they dropped esea open/im coverage? (i just found out about this)[/quote]

TFTV, as an organization, has opted to move towards covering only the highest level of competitive play (Invite/Prem/Regional Equivalent) and other, community wide important news. Part of it was a focusing of efforts and volunteers, but it was also a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.

For what its worth, I think its absolutely a shit move and the wrong way to go, this community is not now, and will never be, the kind of community that CSGO/LOL/DOTA are. Instead we are something different, a closer knit and tighter community where people enjoy seeing themselves represented and supported in more "official" news outlets. For many teams/people, this is the only recognition they will ever get for their efforts in TF2. As a writer of several seasons of open/IM writeups, I was very sad to see these go.

However, it is the decision of the site owners and operators that is the most important to consider. It is, after all, their site.
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#39
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drshdwpuppet a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.

HLTV covers much much more than t1 lans and t1 team roster changes so this reasoning surprised me.

[quote=drshdwpuppet] a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.[/quote]

HLTV covers much much more than t1 lans and t1 team roster changes so this reasoning surprised me.
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#40
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Karldrshdwpuppet a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.
HLTV covers much much more than t1 lans and t1 team roster changes so this reasoning surprised me.

I was really just parroting the decision that was told to me, I had no say or influence in the decision (nor should I have)

[quote=Karl][quote=drshdwpuppet] a deliberate editorial decision to bring TFTV more in line with other top tier news organizations across other esports.[/quote]

HLTV covers much much more than t1 lans and t1 team roster changes so this reasoning surprised me.[/quote]

I was really just parroting the decision that was told to me, I had no say or influence in the decision (nor should I have)
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#41
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I understand the decision that covering invite and prem matches and changes is a higher priority when volunteers for articles are limited, but at the same time, the people who are interested in writing write ups for Highlander or Open aren't necessarily going to have the interest or the resources to write about the Invite roster transactions that have been deemed more important. I understand the goal behind it, but I just think it's somewhat misguided given our community.

I understand the decision that covering invite and prem matches and changes is a higher priority when volunteers for articles are limited, but at the same time, the people who are interested in writing write ups for Highlander or Open aren't necessarily going to have the interest or the resources to write about the Invite roster transactions that have been deemed more important. I understand the goal behind it, but I just think it's somewhat misguided given our community.
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#42
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Also even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.

Also even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.
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#43
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AvastAlso even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.

Aren't the articles still being made though? I'm pretty sure brooky/xan are still continuing highlander/IM coverage, the articles just aren't allowed to be posted here.

[quote=Avast]Also even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.[/quote]
Aren't the articles still being made though? I'm pretty sure brooky/xan are still continuing highlander/IM coverage, the articles just aren't allowed to be posted here.
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#44
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So you're effectively banning Highlander articles from the "Community News" section, or am I reading this wrong?

So you're effectively banning Highlander articles from the "Community News" section, or am I reading this wrong?
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#45
EssentialsTF
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AvastAlso even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.

Its not a matter of people not writing them, the limiting factor is how the TFTV management want to change the news area of the site.

[quote=Avast]Also even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.[/quote]

Its not a matter of people not writing them, the limiting factor is how the TFTV management want to change the news area of the site.
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#46
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i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.

i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.
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#47
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BlackOutJonAvastAlso even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.

Its not a matter of people not writing them, the limiting factor is how the TFTV management want to change the news area of the site.

This. It was /never/ a manpower issue, Xan and I were going to be doing IM and we had an open writer lined up as well. There were plenty of people to accomplish writing for the season. The decision was editorial, not staffing based.

[quote=BlackOutJon][quote=Avast]Also even if I disagree with TF.TV's decision there is a still a logical reasoning behind it as there are only so many volunteer hours we can utilize towards content creation.

If you really do care about content for Open/IM and HL to be posted here and elsewhere its on you to contribute towards its creation to demonstrate the merit of such articles as this site runs on a volunteer basis.

I'm sure if the interest is actually there the articles can be brought back, but the demand and resources have to be there first to justify it.[/quote]

Its not a matter of people not writing them, the limiting factor is how the TFTV management want to change the news area of the site.[/quote]

This. It was /never/ a manpower issue, Xan and I were going to be doing IM and we had an open writer lined up as well. There were plenty of people to accomplish writing for the season. The decision was editorial, not staffing based.
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#48
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Apparently I had misinterpreted what was being said, so my original posts still stands.

This doesn't make sense to me.

Apparently I had misinterpreted what was being said, so my original posts still stands.

This doesn't make sense to me.
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#49
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crossfirei still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.

I like this idea a lot as a compromise

[quote=crossfire]i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.[/quote]

I like this idea a lot as a compromise
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#50
EssentialsTF
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mustardoverlordcrossfirei still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.
I like this idea a lot as a compromise

It would be a lot more like what VanillaTF2 did :)

[quote=mustardoverlord][quote=crossfire]i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.[/quote]

I like this idea a lot as a compromise[/quote]

It would be a lot more like what VanillaTF2 did :)
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#51
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crossfirei still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.

TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post

[quote=crossfire]i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.[/quote]

TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post
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#52
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#53
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brooky12crossfirei still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.
TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post

surely tsc must be receiving something in return for doing 80% of the current front page articles...

but you're right, pay or no pay, it doesn't really matter.

[quote=brooky12][quote=crossfire]i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.[/quote]

TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post[/quote]
surely tsc must be receiving something in return for doing 80% of the current front page articles...

but you're right, pay or no pay, it doesn't really matter.
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#54
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crossfirebrooky12crossfirei still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.
TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post
surely tsc must be receiving something in return for doing 80% of the current front page articles...

but you're right, pay or no pay, it doesn't really matter.

lol everyone who is involved in tftv has sunk lots of money into this thing with no expectation of any compensation for our time. The only money anyone can expect to get is whatever might be "left over" at the end of a fundraiser for a team to help recoup the thousands we might spend travelling to get to LANs, though more often than not we put that money into better production value rather than covering our own expenses. Our recruitment posts very clearly state there is no financial incentive at all. Everything you see is entirely volunteer run.

[quote=crossfire][quote=brooky12][quote=crossfire]i still think tftv should have a section of the site (not the official "news" section) to host community written articles and opinion pieces. tftv wouldn't pay these writers but give their content more exposure than just a regular thread string.[/quote]

TFTV doesn't pay anyone, not sure why that's a distinction in your post[/quote]
surely tsc must be receiving something in return for doing 80% of the current front page articles...

but you're right, pay or no pay, it doesn't really matter.[/quote]

lol everyone who is involved in tftv has sunk lots of money into this thing with no expectation of any compensation for our time. The only money anyone can expect to get is whatever might be "left over" at the end of a fundraiser for a team to help recoup the thousands we might spend travelling to get to LANs, though more often than not we put that money into better production value rather than covering our own expenses. Our recruitment posts very clearly state there is no financial incentive at all. Everything you see is entirely volunteer run.
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#55
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And so is the entire Highlander scene, but it starts to look like you´re trying to make this just about 6s instead of both big game modes.

Which feels like a bit of a slap in the face of the volunteers that spend a lot of time and money into HL. You surely have to be able to relate to that.

And so is the entire Highlander scene, but it starts to look like you´re trying to make this just about 6s instead of both big game modes.

Which feels like a bit of a slap in the face of the volunteers that spend a lot of time and money into HL. You surely have to be able to relate to that.
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#56
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kKaltUuAnd so is the entire Highlander scene, but it starts to look like you´re trying to make this just about 6s instead of both big game modes.

Which feels like a bit of a slap in the face of the volunteers that spend a lot of time and money into HL. You surely have to be able to relate to that.

I know a lot of money and volunteer work goes into highlander, I've seen how much work Jon does with Blackout. I was just replying to the idea that tsc must be getting something for doing a lot of writing.

[quote=kKaltUu]And so is the entire Highlander scene, but it starts to look like you´re trying to make this just about 6s instead of both big game modes.

Which feels like a bit of a slap in the face of the volunteers that spend a lot of time and money into HL. You surely have to be able to relate to that.[/quote]

I know a lot of money and volunteer work goes into highlander, I've seen how much work Jon does with Blackout. I was just replying to the idea that tsc must be getting something for doing a lot of writing.
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#57
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Highlander content doesn't have much value outside of the TF2 community, whereas the 6v6 format is more integrated with the rest of the eSports scene, and has a bigger presence with outside sponsors. The level of interest is undeniably higher with 6v6, if you look at the actual figures (prizepools, viewership, LAN participation, etc.). It makes sense for TFTV to focus on producing high-value content, rather than trying to please everyone. This is especially true now that 6v6 has the potential to become bigger than ever, at least in Europe.

Highlander content doesn't have much value outside of the TF2 community, whereas the 6v6 format is more integrated with the rest of the eSports scene, and has a bigger presence with outside sponsors. The level of interest is undeniably higher with 6v6, if you look at the actual figures (prizepools, viewership, LAN participation, etc.). It makes sense for TFTV to focus on producing high-value content, rather than trying to please everyone. This is especially true now that 6v6 has the potential to become bigger than ever, at least in Europe.
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#58
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DavidTheWinI know a lot of money and volunteer work goes into highlander, I've seen how much work Jon does with Blackout. I was just replying to the idea that tsc must be getting something for doing a lot of writing.

I'm still living off that VanillaTF2 money

[quote=DavidTheWin]I know a lot of money and volunteer work goes into highlander, I've seen how much work Jon does with Blackout. I was just replying to the idea that tsc must be getting something for doing a lot of writing.[/quote]
I'm still living off that VanillaTF2 money
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#59
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Ond_kajaHighlander content doesn't have much value outside of the TF2 community, whereas the 6v6 format is more integrated with the rest of the eSports scene, and has a bigger presence with outside sponsors. The level of interest is undeniably higher with 6v6, if you look at the actual figures (prizepools, viewership, LAN participation, etc.). It makes sense for TFTV to focus on producing high-value content, rather than trying to please everyone. This is especially true now that 6v6 has the potential to become bigger than ever, at least in Europe.

How does producing content for one format detract from the value/content of another format?

[quote=Ond_kaja]Highlander content doesn't have much value outside of the TF2 community, whereas the 6v6 format is more integrated with the rest of the eSports scene, and has a bigger presence with outside sponsors. The level of interest is undeniably higher with 6v6, if you look at the actual figures (prizepools, viewership, LAN participation, etc.). It makes sense for TFTV to focus on producing high-value content, rather than trying to please everyone. This is especially true now that 6v6 has the potential to become bigger than ever, at least in Europe.[/quote]

How does producing content for one format detract from the value/content of another format?
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#60
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are people still delusional about tf2 becoming m-muh esports???

are people still delusional about tf2 becoming m-muh esports???
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