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Cheater/Hacker thread
1441
#1441
1 Frags +
smoboI made a video because it seems to work for james the rick hebs problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9LJmbhOxr4

tl;dr if you think that demo proves wallhacking, you're absolutely wrong
smvnim not sure if youtube videos of stv reviews are enough evidence to banyou'd think that, but then you watch mike play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EcfPyx8H7Q

That was a pretty good video smobo, critical thinking is what more people kinda need nowadays tbh

[quote=smobo]I made a video because it seems to work for james the rick hebs problem.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9LJmbhOxr4[/youtube]

tl;dr if you think that demo proves wallhacking, you're absolutely wrong

[quote=smvn]im not sure if youtube videos of stv reviews are enough evidence to ban[/quote]
you'd think that, but then you watch mike play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EcfPyx8H7Q[/quote]

That was a pretty good video smobo, critical thinking is what more people kinda need nowadays tbh
1442
#1442
-9 Frags +
deetrApathyTFUGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation

[quote=deetr][quote=ApathyTF]UGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.[/quote]

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.[/quote]

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation
1443
#1443
3 Frags +
ApathyTFdeetrApathyTFUGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation

He has alot more important shit to do then review some silver sniper because some random asked him to, could have atleast waited a day lmao

[quote=ApathyTF][quote=deetr][quote=ApathyTF]UGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.[/quote]

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.[/quote]

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation[/quote]

He has alot more important shit to do then review some silver sniper because some random asked him to, could have atleast waited a day lmao
1444
#1444
1 Frags +
89zombiezApathyTFdeetrApathyTFUGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation

He has alot more important shit to do then review some silver sniper because some random asked him to, could have atleast waited a day lmao

probably but the match is tonight and Its not fun to play against a hacker, my bad

[quote=89zombiez][quote=ApathyTF][quote=deetr][quote=ApathyTF]UGC Snowblindfrog: Hey
cynex: my team is going against ssvw tonight as were 2 of the top 3 teams but as you know there sniper is a known hacker
cynex: http://www.teamfortress.tv/thread/23773/cheater-hacker-thread/?page=46
cynex: and has been caught in video and even told on by there old medic I think
cynex: Just wondering why he isn't banned
cynex: there's 100% evidence and playing against a hacker isn't fun
cynex: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page_matches.cfm?clan_id=10463
UGC Snowblindfrog: I'll have to ask our AC team. Not sure if we've ever reviewed him or not
cynex: kk
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Online.
cynex: so was he reviewed?
UGC Snowblindfrog is now Away.[/quote]

Timestamps would be really helpful for this chatlog. For all we know you asked him then 10 minutes later messaged him again when he obviously wouldn't have an answer.[/quote]

my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation[/quote]

He has alot more important shit to do then review some silver sniper because some random asked him to, could have atleast waited a day lmao[/quote]

probably but the match is tonight and Its not fun to play against a hacker, my bad
1445
#1445
11 Frags +
smoboI made a video because it seems to work for james the rick hebs problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9LJmbhOxr4

tl;dr if you think that demo proves wallhacking, you're absolutely wrong
smvnim not sure if youtube videos of stv reviews are enough evidence to banyou'd think that, but then you watch mike play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EcfPyx8H7Q

I really don't understand how this "parody" at all refutes rick james videos???

Like you just poorly attempted to mimic a hackusation video with no actual fishy clips compared to the actually ridiculous fishy clips from the original videos? Like he didnt even point out anything that was in any way grasping for straws to indicate hacks? Almost all the video is pretty strong evidence for investigation even if its not conclusive of hacks.

It would have made sense if you actually attempted to logically refute why those clips might not seem fishy but it appears you're just acting like an ass bc ur upset over this guy being called a hacker over what appears to be strong ground for accusations???

[quote=smobo]I made a video because it seems to work for james the rick hebs problem.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9LJmbhOxr4[/youtube]

tl;dr if you think that demo proves wallhacking, you're absolutely wrong

[quote=smvn]im not sure if youtube videos of stv reviews are enough evidence to ban[/quote]
you'd think that, but then you watch mike play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EcfPyx8H7Q[/quote]

I really don't understand how this "parody" at all refutes rick james videos???

Like you just poorly attempted to mimic a hackusation video with no actual fishy clips compared to the actually ridiculous fishy clips from the original videos? Like he didnt even point out anything that was in any way grasping for straws to indicate hacks? Almost all the video is pretty strong evidence for investigation even if its not conclusive of hacks.

It would have made sense if you actually attempted to logically refute why those clips might not seem fishy but it appears you're just acting like an ass bc ur upset over this guy being called a hacker over what appears to be strong ground for accusations???
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#1446
5 Frags +
my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation

to activate time stamps go to the top left corner that says "steam" then go to "friends" then you should see "Display timestamps in chat log".

[quote]my steam won't show time idk why but I asked him if he was reviewed about 5 minutes later after the first conversation[/quote]

to activate time stamps go to the top left corner that says "steam" then go to "friends" then you should see "Display timestamps in chat log".
1447
#1447
7 Frags +

He actually was using a lot of the exact same footage (the only differences being wireframes turned off and more context around each of the shots). Admittedly there were a few shots in the original video that were not present in the one that smobo just made.

The most notable omission for me was the shot that appeared to be on the head of a sniper standing on the other side of an otherwise blank wall. I would have liked to have seen this shot without wireframes on, and in a larger context, to see if there was any reason for him to be shooting at that location. Of all of the shots that was the only one that I could not attribute to glimpses+prediction of effective team comms.

I think there are some shots that are really really fishy, but I also think that the majority of the people posting in this thread about him have already reached their own personal conclusion and that is dangerous.

He actually was using a lot of the exact same footage (the only differences being wireframes turned off and more context around each of the shots). Admittedly there were a few shots in the original video that were not present in the one that smobo just made.

The most notable omission for me was the shot that appeared to be on the head of a sniper standing on the other side of an otherwise blank wall. I would have liked to have seen this shot without wireframes on, and in a larger context, to see if there was any reason for him to be shooting at that location. Of all of the shots that was the only one that I could not attribute to glimpses+prediction of effective team comms.

I think there are some shots that are really really fishy, but I also think that the majority of the people posting in this thread about him have already reached their own personal conclusion and that is dangerous.
1448
#1448
10 Frags +

So I guess instead of actually just investigating someone that so many appear to think is hacking and then clearing them and moving on we're just going to shift the conversation to tone policing and how "ridiculous" the claims appear to be?

If this was one person or only a select few people calling someone suspicious without much common outcry I would understand.

But if you have loads of people both from lower and higher levels calling for an investigation with mountains of available footage and potential resources being ignored or even mocked instead of just reviewing the case then I really don't know if I'm dealing with real people or trolls.

Seriously just investigate it and move on, if he's clean he's clean, its that simple. IDK why we'll just let it linger.

So I guess instead of actually just investigating someone that so many appear to think is hacking and then clearing them and moving on we're just going to shift the conversation to tone policing and how "ridiculous" the claims appear to be?

If this was one person or only a select few people calling someone suspicious without much common outcry I would understand.

But if you have loads of people both from lower and higher levels calling for an investigation with mountains of available footage and potential resources being ignored or even mocked instead of just reviewing the case then I really don't know if I'm dealing with real people or trolls.

Seriously just investigate it and move on, if he's clean he's clean, its that simple. IDK why we'll just let it linger.
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#1449
3 Frags +

Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.
1450
#1450
-6 Frags +

Well then that's all I needed to hear dude.

Case closed for me unless I see something indisputable.

That was easy.

Well then that's all I needed to hear dude.

Case closed for me unless I see something indisputable.

That was easy.
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#1451
-14 Frags +

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1452
#1452
2 Frags +
AvastSo I guess instead of actually just investigating someone that so many appear to think is hacking and then clearing them and moving on we're just going to shift the conversation to tone policing and how "ridiculous" the claims appear to be?

Yea but the admins HAVE set it MULTIPLE times. And EVERY time they've said that there is no such thing as a player being "cleared" but folks love to ignore that and pretend that no one has looked into it. Mob mentality will give you the attention span of a gold fish, I'll tell you huwhat.

[quote=Avast]So I guess instead of actually just investigating someone that so many appear to think is hacking and then clearing them and moving on we're just going to shift the conversation to tone policing and how "ridiculous" the claims appear to be?
[/quote]
Yea but the admins HAVE set it MULTIPLE times. And EVERY time they've said that there is no such thing as a player being "cleared" but folks love to ignore that and pretend that no one has looked into it. Mob mentality will give you the attention span of a gold fish, I'll tell you huwhat.
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#1453
1 Frags +

I'm not arguing that.

I just wanted to know from an admins mouth that he had been investigated and the evidence was/wasn't strong enough to convict.

Sure they can make mistakes or a case can be reevaluated but as long I know they haven't just ignored the outcry then I'm fine with it and I personally can't complain if they've already run him through the process with reasonable competence (my own personal conclusions aside since I'm not an admin obv).

I'm not arguing that.

I just wanted to know from an admins mouth that he had been investigated and the evidence was/wasn't strong enough to convict.

Sure they can make mistakes or a case can be reevaluated but as long I know they haven't just ignored the outcry then I'm fine with it and I personally can't complain if they've already run him through the process with reasonable competence (my own personal conclusions aside since I'm not an admin obv).
1454
#1454
29 Frags +
smoboDo you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?

[quote=smobo]Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.[/quote]

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?
1455
#1455
14 Frags +
PellovleysmoboDo you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?

preach it

[quote=Pellovley][quote=smobo]Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.[/quote]

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?[/quote]

preach it
1456
#1456
5 Frags +

This is fucking ridiculous, look at the STV posts Rick James made, BLATANT wall hacking. This shit is so obvious it's infuriating. Almost as if someone is pulling strings for bo4r, at least, I'll believe that if he doesn't get banned from THIS much proof.

This is fucking ridiculous, look at the STV posts Rick James made, BLATANT wall hacking. This shit is so obvious it's infuriating. Almost as if someone is pulling strings for bo4r, at least, I'll believe that if he doesn't get banned from THIS much proof.
1457
#1457
1 Frags +

u admins need to get the foot out of your asses

u admins need to get the foot out of your asses
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#1458
-10 Frags +

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1459
#1459
2 Frags +
Zeakythe STV posts

That's part of the problem.

FireI wonder how many of you ever did any AC work besides watching some stvs and saying "uh i wouldnt have hit that shot, ban him!"

That's another part of the problem.

[quote=Zeaky]the STV posts [/quote]

That's part of the problem.

[quote=Fire]I wonder how many of you ever did any AC work besides watching some stvs and saying "uh i wouldnt have hit that shot, ban him!"[/quote]

That's another part of the problem.
1460
#1460
4 Frags +
PellovleysmoboDo you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?

but pellovley he mains heavy don't see see the difference... if a heavy plays good he must be hacking heavy is a bad class... stup;id noob

[quote=Pellovley][quote=smobo]Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.[/quote]

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?[/quote]
but pellovley he mains heavy don't see see the difference... if a heavy plays good he must be hacking heavy is a bad class... stup;id noob
1461
#1461
0 Frags +

Following the trend of this thread maybe we should wait until a lakeside STV comes out? I would like to see some analysis of that to see if we can find anything suspicious.

Following the trend of this thread maybe we should wait until a lakeside STV comes out? I would like to see some analysis of that to see if we can find anything suspicious.
1462
#1462
-2 Frags +

I will post a lakeside stv, however I doubt you'll find anything in it.

I will post a lakeside stv, however I doubt you'll find anything in it.
1463
#1463
4 Frags +

We have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down!

We have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down!
1464
#1464
5 Frags +

that was fast

that was fast
1465
#1465
6 Frags +
dollarlayerWe have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down!

down, mice work team

[quote=dollarlayer]We have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down![/quote]
down, mice work team
1466
#1466
5 Frags +
dollarlayerWe have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down!

Rip another one GG boys.

[quote=dollarlayer]We have another lmaoboxer on twitch: http://www.twitch.tv/fakboi42o

Lets get this taken down![/quote] Rip another one GG boys.
1467
#1467
4 Frags +

http://sizzlingstv.s3.amazonaws.com/stv/392592.zip

here's stv of lakeside.

http://sizzlingstv.s3.amazonaws.com/stv/392592.zip

here's stv of lakeside.
1468
#1468
7 Frags +

i have a feeling that people are dismissing Rick's videos just because of the fact that he's Rick.

i have a feeling that people are dismissing Rick's videos just because of the fact that he's Rick.
1469
#1469
0 Frags +
PellovleysmoboDo you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?

Correlation does not imply causation. I'll be surprised if most people have done more about bo4r than just watch YT clips instead of what should be STV/POV.

[quote=Pellovley][quote=smobo]Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.[/quote]

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?[/quote]

Correlation does not imply causation. I'll be surprised if most people have done more about bo4r than just watch YT clips instead of what should be STV/POV.
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#1470
-16 Frags +
PellovleysmoboDo you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone isn't hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?

I totally agree I think bo4r is paying them off.

[quote=Pellovley][quote=smobo]Do you seriously think the admins haven't investigated him? Every match he's played has been looked at. At least three times, just by me personally. We don't "clear" people because it's extremely hard to prove someone [b]isn't[/b] hacking. Even things like attending a LAN have been shown to be insufficient with the CS:GO bans from last fall.

Nobody is ever cleared, but he's as close as we're going to get.[/quote]

you guys banned rondego in a heartbeat as soon as a bunch of plat players said hes hacking (and you all reviewed his povs), yet you wont convict bo4r even though hes 10x more obvious?[/quote]
I totally agree I think bo4r is paying them off.
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