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Cheater/Hacker thread
1351
#1351
4 Frags +

If he gets banned, then Vipa's team is essentially fucked. All of their wins will be overturned (the one's with where bo4r has played), and that's pretty much most of them. Even if Vipa didn't know if he was a hacker (can happen), then it'll suck for him.

If he gets banned, then Vipa's team is essentially fucked. All of their wins will be overturned (the one's with where bo4r has played), and that's pretty much most of them. Even if Vipa didn't know if he was a hacker (can happen), then it'll suck for him.
1352
#1352
32 Frags +

He and his team vehemently defend bo4r despite all the evidence to the contrary. They'll deserve it.

He and his team vehemently defend bo4r despite all the evidence to the contrary. They'll deserve it.
1353
#1353
13 Frags +

I was looking through a TF2 hacker group called lmaobox mvm. Yes a group of hackers that play MVM together. I guess for some people MVM is so hard that they need to cheat?

Anyways so far I came up with one guy that I'm 99% sure is cheating:

Name: oXY #LFT
STEAM_0:1:89046741
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138359211
http://logs.tf/825169?highlight=76561198138359211

He has 800 hours in TF2, 2 VAC bans on record within the last year, is part of that lmaobox mvm group, and is on some kind of inactive Highlander team called "Get Good." He also has on his profile LFT iron to Gold. That's quite a skill range, but I'm sure with his lmaobox he could easily play at any level!

Edit: Yea the link that polar posted below is actually on his profile. So he posted a video clip of himself hacking on spy.

I was looking through a TF2 hacker group called lmaobox mvm. Yes a group of hackers that play MVM together. I guess for some people MVM is so hard that they need to cheat?

Anyways so far I came up with one guy that I'm 99% sure is cheating:

Name: oXY #LFT
STEAM_0:1:89046741
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198138359211
http://logs.tf/825169?highlight=76561198138359211

He has 800 hours in TF2, 2 VAC bans on record within the last year, is part of that lmaobox mvm group, and is on some kind of inactive Highlander team called "[url=http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=17828]Get Good[/url]." He also has on his profile LFT iron to Gold. That's quite a skill range, but I'm sure with his lmaobox he could easily play at any level!

Edit: Yea the link that polar posted below is actually on his profile. So he posted a video clip of himself hacking on spy.
1354
#1354
6 Frags +

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1355
#1355
-10 Frags +

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=481187723

slay me

my b bad dumb post

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=481187723

slay me

my b bad dumb post
1356
#1356
11 Frags +

bo4r is hacking we get it ban and move on

bo4r is hacking we get it ban and move on
1357
#1357
-23 Frags +
polar_snipinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering

[quote=polar_sniping]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-o[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering
1358
#1358
10 Frags +

when will they ban bo4r already

when will they ban bo4r already
1359
#1359
13 Frags +

http://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.

http://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.
1360
#1360
20 Frags +
aierapolar_snipinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering

I know the kid is hacking but would you mind not making fun of speech impediments.

[quote=aiera][quote=polar_sniping]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-o[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering[/quote]
I know the kid is hacking but would you mind not making fun of speech impediments.
1361
#1361
10 Frags +
tetrominoaierapolar_snipinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studderingI know the kid is hacking but would you mind not making fun of speech impediments.

Agreed

[quote=tetromino][quote=aiera][quote=polar_sniping]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-o[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering[/quote]
I know the kid is hacking but would you mind not making fun of speech impediments.[/quote]

Agreed
1362
#1362
0 Frags +

http://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion

http://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion
1363
#1363
0 Frags +
Dexhttp://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion

pretty sure someone already called this guy out

[quote=Dex]http://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion[/quote]

pretty sure someone already called this guy out
1364
#1364
-5 Frags +

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1365
#1365
-10 Frags +
dollarlayerhttp://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.

Stop wasting your time quoting logs, go watch some stvs and find fishy ticks. I couldn't find any, obviously the admins couldn't either...

[quote=dollarlayer]http://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.[/quote]
Stop wasting your time quoting logs, go watch some stvs and find fishy ticks. I couldn't find any, obviously the admins couldn't either...
1366
#1366
15 Frags +
89zombiezhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=481187723

slay me

my b bad dumb post

I like how bo4r bottom frags when he isn't hacking

[quote=89zombiez]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=481187723

slay me

my b bad dumb post[/quote]

I like how bo4r bottom frags when he isn't hacking
1367
#1367
-7 Frags +
dollarlayerhttp://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.

http://i.gyazo.com/0c2a3b07f8524fcb4bef7fceba51697e.png

6hs

http://i.gyazo.com/6f68ab2aa00776a3b8f9213a42a181c8.png

23hs

quit wasting ur time

[quote=dollarlayer]http://logs.tf/923079?highlight=76561198044159901

Well looks like yuri is unbanned again and playing centers. The irony of that log is bo4r vs yuri. Notice yuris 68% accuracy on sniper. If she's legit why is she not on a high invite team? She clearly has the best aim in the game by FAR.[/quote]

[img]http://i.gyazo.com/0c2a3b07f8524fcb4bef7fceba51697e.png[/img] 6hs

[img]http://i.gyazo.com/6f68ab2aa00776a3b8f9213a42a181c8.png[/img] 23hs

quit wasting ur time
1368
#1368
9 Frags +

being able to get 400 dpm in lobbies doesnt make you a high invite player

being able to get 400 dpm in lobbies doesnt make you a high invite player
1369
#1369
-3 Frags +

if 400 dpm makes you invite what does 9 minutes of 1k dpm make me

http://logs.tf/922115?highlight=76561198038288779

if 400 dpm makes you invite what does 9 minutes of 1k dpm make me

http://logs.tf/922115?highlight=76561198038288779
1370
#1370
6 Frags +

EDIT: I CAN NOT READ

That dpm saam

Sounds like you're either hacking or the next Paragon

DOLLAR GET INVESTIGATING THIS SUSPICIOUS INDIVIDUAL

EDIT: I CAN NOT READ

That dpm saam

Sounds like you're either hacking or the next Paragon

DOLLAR GET INVESTIGATING THIS SUSPICIOUS INDIVIDUAL
1371
#1371
0 Frags +
Avast52% accuracy saam?

Do you even read, bruh.
52% damage, not accuracy ;)

[quote=Avast]52% accuracy saam?
[/quote]
Do you even read, bruh.
52% damage, not accuracy ;)
1372
#1372
4 Frags +
Dexhttp://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion

He is already banned on TF2C, but I reviewed 2 demos of him last night. I can tell you with full confidence that he is cheating. No question about it, and I don't think anyone else would dispute this either. If anyone has any doubts as to his legitimacy, please watch the STV here: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390223

On granary he has horrible movement (hardly any jumping or side strafing as scout) yet seems to be able to 2 shot almost everyone he fights. Gets multiple 3-4K's. His aim seems very bad even considering its an STV, yet the shots are still hitting. http://logs.tf/922815?highlight=76561198055056777

91% Scatter accuracy, 63% sniper. But the evidence is in the STV, the accuracy stats which I believe are probably quite accurate are only supporting evidence.

After I watched that STV, I was already convinced, but just for the fun of it I wanted to see one of him sniping. This is where it gets laughable. He gets a 12K on warmfront lands like 12 headshots in a row, he might have missed once or twice?

http://dl.tragicservers.com/maps/cp_warmfront.bsp.bz2

Log for that game http://logs.tf/902951?highlight=76561198055056777

I've been told that the log above by Dex was from a UGC match, so I will be forwarding this on to UGC.

[quote=Dex]http://logs.tf/922950?highlight=76561198121890168

Slayer, please look into this. Just wanna know your opinion[/quote]

He is already banned on TF2C, but I reviewed 2 demos of him last night. I can tell you with full confidence that he is cheating. No question about it, and I don't think anyone else would dispute this either. If anyone has any doubts as to his legitimacy, please watch the STV here: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390223

On granary he has horrible movement (hardly any jumping or side strafing as scout) yet seems to be able to 2 shot almost everyone he fights. Gets multiple 3-4K's. His aim seems very bad even considering its an STV, yet the shots are still hitting. http://logs.tf/922815?highlight=76561198055056777

91% Scatter accuracy, 63% sniper. But the evidence is in the STV, the accuracy stats which I believe are probably quite accurate are only supporting evidence.

After I watched that STV, I was already convinced, but just for the fun of it I wanted to see one of him sniping. This is where it gets laughable. He gets a 12K on warmfront lands like 12 headshots in a row, he might have missed once or twice?

http://dl.tragicservers.com/maps/cp_warmfront.bsp.bz2

Log for that game http://logs.tf/902951?highlight=76561198055056777

I've been told that the log above by Dex was from a UGC match, so I will be forwarding this on to UGC.
1373
#1373
3 Frags +

https://youtu.be/biVA9SZwZGE
Is he cheating?
If yes this is pretty messed up, ill try to be as short as possible.
The owner of the youtube channel 'KimeraGrigia' is this guy: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kimeragrigia http://etf2l.org/forum/user/91887/
I didnt notice but my friend told me that he does not have 'kaos' in his past names, so the guy in the clip is not actually him but, after some research the same friend told me that this is the cheating profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/BananaProsecutor so he is actually using an alt to cheat.
Under the video he said "someone called me a cheater..." if he is not why is he using an alt?
Hopefully you understood despite my pretty bad english.

https://youtu.be/biVA9SZwZGE
Is he cheating?
If yes this is pretty messed up, ill try to be as short as possible.
The owner of the youtube channel 'KimeraGrigia' is this guy: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kimeragrigia http://etf2l.org/forum/user/91887/
I didnt notice but my friend told me that he does not have 'kaos' in his past names, so the guy in the clip is not actually him but, after some research the same friend told me that this is the cheating profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/BananaProsecutor so he is actually using an alt to cheat.
Under the video he said "someone called me a cheater..." if he is not why is he using an alt?
Hopefully you understood despite my pretty bad english.
1374
#1374
1 Frags +
_vittohttps://youtu.be/biVA9SZwZGE
Is he cheating?
If yes this is pretty messed up, ill try to be as short as possible.
The owner of the youtube channel 'KimeraGrigia' is this guy: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kimeragrigia http://etf2l.org/forum/user/91887/
I didnt notice but my friend told me that he does not have 'kaos' in his past names, so the guy in the clip is not actually him but, after some research the same friend told me that this is the cheating profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/BananaProsecutor so he is actually using an alt to cheat.
Under the video he said "someone called me a cheater..." if he is not why is he using an alt?
Hopefully you understood despite my pretty bad english.

I saw that video on reddit as well, prefectly tracks the demos head from around that corner. Hes a dumbass for thinking that looked legit.

[quote=_vitto]https://youtu.be/biVA9SZwZGE
Is he cheating?
If yes this is pretty messed up, ill try to be as short as possible.
The owner of the youtube channel 'KimeraGrigia' is this guy: http://steamcommunity.com/id/kimeragrigia http://etf2l.org/forum/user/91887/
I didnt notice but my friend told me that he does not have 'kaos' in his past names, so the guy in the clip is not actually him but, after some research the same friend told me that this is the cheating profile http://steamcommunity.com/id/BananaProsecutor so he is actually using an alt to cheat.
Under the video he said "someone called me a cheater..." if he is not why is he using an alt?
Hopefully you understood despite my pretty bad english.[/quote]

I saw that video on reddit as well, prefectly tracks the demos head from around that corner. Hes a dumbass for thinking that looked legit.
1375
#1375
1 Frags +
kKaltUuKaylee [76561198010649541] = Kaylisk [76561198008697463]

It's holiday in my country but I'll try to see if I can squeeze some time to review some games

This person was on one of my old disbanded teams (we were going into iron/steel ugc 6s, Her friend now picked her up on some plat team (?) ). She was fishy at first and nobody would believe me when I called her out but then a couple weeks later she admitted it when we were talking in mumble. It might take me some time to find some decent logs because she played demo for us, but she did have some pretty high accuracy with direct hit if that's relevant. (http://logs.tf/779968?highlight=76561198008697463)

[quote=kKaltUu]Kaylee [76561198010649541] = Kaylisk [76561198008697463]

It's holiday in my country but I'll try to see if I can squeeze some time to review some games[/quote]

This person was on one of my old disbanded teams (we were going into iron/steel ugc 6s, Her friend now picked her up on some plat team (?) ). She was fishy at first and nobody would believe me when I called her out but then a couple weeks later she admitted it when we were talking in mumble. It might take me some time to find some decent logs because she played demo for us, but she did have some pretty high accuracy with direct hit if that's relevant. (http://logs.tf/779968?highlight=76561198008697463)
1376
#1376
18 Frags +
dollarlayerhttp://logs.tf/922815?highlight=76561198055056777 I've been told that the log above by Dex was from a UGC match, so I will be forwarding this on to UGC.

Gotta wonder how they found this guy to ring. They really screwed themselves over. DMX will be banned in a bit, and the match has been overturned already.

I just wanted to speak quickly on the bo4r issue. Please don't take this as defending a cheater, because I have zero connection to bo4r or his team, and I put many hours per week in to keeping UGC league running smoothly. If I didn't care about cheaters, I would be undoing everything that we try to do.

It's totally possible he's cheating, but he hasn't been banned yet because we don't ban anyone when there's any doubt. For some people (specifically NA HL players), UGC is the only game in town, which makes banning people a much more serious ordeal that it might be for say, a pub community. When you're a player, it's really easy to go "wow yeah look at that hacker", but when you're an admin, you have to go "This looks like cheats, but how can one prove this wasn't done legitimately?".

When you're actually making bans based off of your suspicion, the process is reliant on proof. When you see DMX kill two people in two different spots without moving his crosshair, you think "This can't be lag compensation, it's actually silent aimbot" and you ban him. You don't ban him because "he gets a 12K on warmfront lands like 12 headshots in a row". It sure as hell helps find the proof when someone like $layer points out a player with crazy stats, but the stats themselves are nothing but an indicator.

I hope you understand that it's a high standard of proof, not laziness or ineptitude, that lets some people you think are cheaters keep playing. Bo4r has provided live streams of his matches showing very good performance without any sign of wall hacks. He is not "cleared" as his teammates claim, and his POVs will continue to be collected and reviewed. Nothing is resolved here. As much as people tend to be grasping at straws/misunderstanding how cheats work when they submit "vigilante" demo reviews, we look at all of them and we appreciate the effort that goes into them. More eyes can catch things admins missed, and new perspectives are always educational.

[quote=dollarlayer]http://logs.tf/922815?highlight=76561198055056777 I've been told that the log above by Dex was from a UGC match, so I will be forwarding this on to UGC.[/quote]

Gotta wonder how they found this guy to ring. They really screwed themselves over. DMX will be banned in a bit, and the match has been overturned already.



I just wanted to speak quickly on the bo4r issue. Please don't take this as defending a cheater, because I have zero connection to bo4r or his team, and I put many hours per week in to keeping UGC league running smoothly. If I didn't care about cheaters, I would be undoing everything that we try to do.

It's totally possible he's cheating, but he hasn't been banned yet because we don't ban anyone when there's [b]any[/b] doubt. For some people (specifically NA HL players), UGC is the only game in town, which makes banning people a much more serious ordeal that it might be for say, a pub community. When you're a player, it's really easy to go "wow yeah look at that hacker", but when you're an admin, you have to go "This looks like cheats, but how can one prove this wasn't done legitimately?".

When you're actually [b]making bans[/b] based off of your suspicion, the process is reliant on proof. When you see DMX kill two people in two different spots without moving his crosshair, you think "This can't be lag compensation, it's actually silent aimbot" and you ban him. You don't ban him because "he gets a 12K on warmfront lands like 12 headshots in a row". It sure as hell helps find the proof when someone like $layer points out a player with crazy stats, but the stats themselves are nothing but an indicator.

I hope you understand that it's a high standard of proof, not laziness or ineptitude, that lets some people you think are cheaters keep playing. Bo4r has provided live streams of his matches showing very good performance without any sign of wall hacks. He is not "cleared" as his teammates claim, and his POVs will continue to be collected and reviewed. Nothing is resolved here. As much as people tend to be grasping at straws/misunderstanding how cheats work when they submit "vigilante" demo reviews, we look at all of them and we appreciate the effort that goes into them. More eyes can catch things admins missed, and new perspectives are always educational.
1377
#1377
3 Frags +

New Hacker : New Elysium [ http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198077865128 ]
Just played a lobby, obvious that he was walling his mind off.
Logs: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390723 [Avaliable STV]
He tracks our med in IT, looks right at people through walls, and hits headshots that were really suspicious. Most suspicious parts are when he stays on sniper at 21000, and some others that I will find later.
This is my first time reporting a hacker, so tell me if im mistaken and this is an alt.

New Hacker : New Elysium [ http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198077865128 ]
Just played a lobby, obvious that he was walling his mind off.
Logs: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390723 [Avaliable STV]
He tracks our med in IT, looks right at people through walls, and hits headshots that were really suspicious. Most suspicious parts are when he stays on sniper at 21000, and some others that I will find later.
This is my first time reporting a hacker, so tell me if im mistaken and this is an alt.
1378
#1378
6 Frags +

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1379
#1379
9 Frags +
aierapolar_snipinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering

rip on the kid for hacking, which can be controlled, and not speech problems, which cant.

[quote=aiera][quote=polar_sniping]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czIwvp6C9-o[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vvFREywrLU i w-w-want t-to get out a s-s-sentence without s-studdering[/quote]

rip on the kid for hacking, which can be controlled, and not speech problems, which cant.
1380
#1380
4 Frags +
teamlead3rredrocket4New Hacker : New Elysium [ http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198077865128 ]
Just played a lobby, obvious that he was walling his mind off.
Logs: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390723 [Avaliable STV]
He tracks our med in IT, looks right at people through walls, and hits headshots that were really suspicious. Most suspicious parts are when he stays on sniper at 21000, and some others that I will find later.
This is my first time reporting a hacker, so tell me if im mistaken and this is an alt.

I was in that lobby and made a shitty video : ))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ePSff_pQX8

He hits a really crisp shot on me at the start of the video !

Holy shit he doesn't even attempt to hide his walls.

[quote=teamlead3r][quote=redrocket4]New Hacker : New Elysium [ http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198077865128 ]
Just played a lobby, obvious that he was walling his mind off.
Logs: http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/390723 [Avaliable STV]
He tracks our med in IT, looks right at people through walls, and hits headshots that were really suspicious. Most suspicious parts are when he stays on sniper at 21000, and some others that I will find later.
This is my first time reporting a hacker, so tell me if im mistaken and this is an alt.[/quote]

I was in that lobby and made a shitty video : ))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ePSff_pQX8

He hits a really crisp shot on me at the start of the video ![/quote]

Holy shit he doesn't even attempt to hide his walls.
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