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751
#751
2 Frags +
barycenterhttp://forums.tf2center.com/topic/5184-max-box-steam-00109824083/

What a dumbass

[quote=barycenter]http://forums.tf2center.com/topic/5184-max-box-steam-00109824083/[/quote]
What a dumbass
752
#752
2 Frags +

I know it's not cheating, but his SteamRep appeal from one of his old accounts/alts reads in pretty much the exact same way as his TF2C appeal.

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/76561198099847219-sr-scammer.47360/

I know it's not cheating, but his SteamRep appeal from one of his old accounts/alts reads in pretty much the exact same way as his TF2C appeal.

http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/76561198099847219-sr-scammer.47360/
753
#753
-3 Frags +

Tf2center admin team is cringe

Tf2center admin team is cringe
754
#754
6 Frags +

rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?
755
#755
3 Frags +
Jetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561197979358751

I hope terry crews keeps up the purge

[quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

http://www.ugcleague.com/players_page.cfm?player_id=76561197979358751

I hope terry crews keeps up the purge
756
#756
12 Frags +
Jetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

Slow it down to 25% and its still 2-3x as fast as any normal reaction time. So overall his reaction time in spinning around is about 10x of whats normal. 2.5" 360.... I used to play with that... You can NOT spin around that fast. He was essentially doing a 180 spin then a reverse 180 to go back to his original facing direction. The airshot on BL mid: he had no view of the jumping soldier then suddenly twitches up airshots, then moves his fov back to ground level view.

Hacks or pure luck and using much higher sense than 2.5" per 360.

[quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

Slow it down to 25% and its still 2-3x as fast as any normal reaction time. So overall his reaction time in spinning around is about 10x of whats normal. 2.5" 360.... I used to play with that... You can NOT spin around that fast. He was essentially doing a 180 spin then a reverse 180 to go back to his original facing direction. The airshot on BL mid: he had no view of the jumping soldier then suddenly twitches up airshots, then moves his fov back to ground level view.

Hacks or pure luck and using much higher sense than 2.5" per 360.
757
#757
4 Frags +
Jetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out

unless he was just spinning around like over and over again and only posted when it worked

[quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out

unless he was just spinning around like over and over again and only posted when it worked
758
#758
8 Frags +
deetrJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out

once u play with a retard u become a retard

[quote=deetr][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out[/quote]
once u play with a retard u become a retard
759
#759
3 Frags +
Jetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWPddbPCic
This is his POV he uploaded himself.

[quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWPddbPCic
This is his POV he uploaded himself.
760
#760
3 Frags +
Se7enJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWPddbPCic
This is his POV he uploaded himself.

I feel really bad for that team because they died after this loss.

[quote=Se7en][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkWPddbPCic
This is his POV he uploaded himself.[/quote]

I feel really bad for that team because they died after this loss.
761
#761
6 Frags +

evlTV exposed?

Serious though. That shotgun shot gave it away. On top if the fact hes using the direct hit. Which is the easiest to use with projectile prediction. Also that airshot on blands mid was complete bullshit, he didnt even see him and just twitched and dunked on him. Seems too good to be true.

evlTV exposed?

Serious though. That shotgun shot gave it away. On top if the fact hes using the direct hit. Which is the easiest to use with projectile prediction. Also that airshot on blands mid was complete bullshit, he didnt even see him and just twitched and dunked on him. Seems too good to be true.
762
#762
4 Frags +

| steamname: llama
Steam ID: [U:1:94726863]
| steamID64 : http://steamcommunity.com/id/PinkLlamaIsBest/

cant move or do anything for shit but hits 90% of his shots
http://games.ipgn.com.au/tf2/demos/autorecord/202.138.3.13/ipgn_-_tf2center_3-mon-20150608-1551-cp_process_final.zip
at 33000 locks onto 2 players a split second apart from each other, 53000 kills med the moment uber fades (could be an stv thing but it looks weird as fuck), plenty of instances of what I assume is the triggerbot reload glitch, etc

Apparently he just got banned on tf2c and is an alt of http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?t=63470 so this post is irrelevant I guess

| steamname: llama
Steam ID: [U:1:94726863]
| steamID64 : http://steamcommunity.com/id/PinkLlamaIsBest/

cant move or do anything for shit but hits 90% of his shots
http://games.ipgn.com.au/tf2/demos/autorecord/202.138.3.13/ipgn_-_tf2center_3-mon-20150608-1551-cp_process_final.zip
at 33000 locks onto 2 players a split second apart from each other, 53000 kills med the moment uber fades (could be an stv thing but it looks weird as fuck), plenty of instances of what I assume is the triggerbot reload glitch, etc

Apparently he just got banned on tf2c and is an alt of http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php?t=63470 so this post is irrelevant I guess
763
#763
11 Frags +
phobiadeetrJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out
once u play with a retard u become a retard

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego

[quote=phobia][quote=deetr][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out[/quote]
once u play with a retard u become a retard[/quote]

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego
764
#764
-27 Frags +
89zombiezphobiadeetrJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out
once u play with a retard u become a retard

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego

Alrighty fellas. Let's shed some light here. Ron and I have been trying to deal with this hackusation for about a week now when someone who I thought was my friend (Oblivion) went on this all out investigation over one play when Rondego turned around in a scrim to check for spies and found him, the pyro sneaking up on him.

Rondego uploaded that high sens video after Oblivions hackusation because we were discussing it at the time. I have a POV of the same thing. In my vid, he says something "I'm using Shadowplay to record, and there's no overlay for hacks because there are no hacks. It's just me." He uses the same 2.8"/360 for everything and has used it for years.

As far as his awesome logs of the match, if you notice, we ALL did better. I went from 19/14 to 31/12. Why? Because we changed the way we played. We figured out what exe was doing, and they fucking fell apart. Post match, they disbanded due to salt.

According to Oblivion, he has already reviewed a demo or two with a UGC admin and they found no evidence of hacking. I'm not sure who the admin was, but that's what he told me. If you guys want to review his demos, by all means, review them. He's willing to give whatever he can to prove his innocence. Good logs don't mean hacks. Good logs mean he did well.

Also, he tried his muscle memory thing with amby spy and failed epicly, that's why you don't see footage of it.

[quote=89zombiez][quote=phobia][quote=deetr][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out[/quote]
once u play with a retard u become a retard[/quote]

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego[/quote]

Alrighty fellas. Let's shed some light here. Ron and I have been trying to deal with this hackusation for about a week now when someone who I thought was my friend (Oblivion) went on this all out investigation over one play when Rondego turned around in a scrim to check for spies and found him, the pyro sneaking up on him.

Rondego uploaded that high sens video after Oblivions hackusation because we were discussing it at the time. I have a POV of the same thing. In my vid, he says something "I'm using Shadowplay to record, and there's no overlay for hacks because there are no hacks. It's just me." He uses the same 2.8"/360 for everything and has used it for years.

As far as his awesome logs of the match, if you notice, we ALL did better. I went from 19/14 to 31/12. Why? Because we changed the way we played. We figured out what exe was doing, and they fucking fell apart. Post match, they disbanded due to salt.

According to Oblivion, he has already reviewed a demo or two with a UGC admin and they found no evidence of hacking. I'm not sure who the admin was, but that's what he told me. If you guys want to review his demos, by all means, review them. He's willing to give whatever he can to prove his innocence. Good logs don't mean hacks. Good logs mean he did well.

Also, he tried his muscle memory thing with amby spy and failed epicly, that's why you don't see footage of it.
765
#765
6 Frags +
podgy71389zombiezphobiadeetrJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out
once u play with a retard u become a retard

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego

Alrighty fellas. Let's shed some light here. Ron and I have been trying to deal with this hackusation for about a week now when someone who I thought was my friend (Oblivion) went on this all out investigation over one play when Rondego turned around in a scrim to check for spies and found him, the pyro sneaking up on him.

Rondego uploaded that high sens video after Oblivions hackusation because we were discussing it at the time. I have a POV of the same thing. In my vid, he says something "I'm using Shadowplay to record, and there's no overlay for hacks because there are no hacks. It's just me." He uses the same 2.8"/360 for everything and has used it for years.

As far as his awesome logs of the match, if you notice, we ALL did better. I went from 19/14 to 31/12. Why? Because we changed the way we played. We figured out what exe was doing, and they fucking fell apart. Post match, they disbanded due to salt.

According to Oblivion, he has already reviewed a demo or two with a UGC admin and they found no evidence of hacking. I'm not sure who the admin was, but that's what he told me. If you guys want to review his demos, by all means, review them. He's willing to give whatever he can to prove his innocence. Good logs don't mean hacks. Good logs mean he did well.

Also, he tried his muscle memory thing with amby spy and failed epicly, that's why you don't see footage of it.

If he tells you what admin it was I would be more inclined to believe you.

[quote=podgy713][quote=89zombiez][quote=phobia][quote=deetr][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote]

lmao this guy is so fucking blatant
I dont see why none of his friends call him out[/quote]
once u play with a retard u become a retard[/quote]

Too bad podgy was a retard before he ever met Rondego[/quote]

Alrighty fellas. Let's shed some light here. Ron and I have been trying to deal with this hackusation for about a week now when someone who I thought was my friend (Oblivion) went on this all out investigation over one play when Rondego turned around in a scrim to check for spies and found him, the pyro sneaking up on him.

Rondego uploaded that high sens video after Oblivions hackusation because we were discussing it at the time. I have a POV of the same thing. In my vid, he says something "I'm using Shadowplay to record, and there's no overlay for hacks because there are no hacks. It's just me." He uses the same 2.8"/360 for everything and has used it for years.

As far as his awesome logs of the match, if you notice, we ALL did better. I went from 19/14 to 31/12. Why? Because we changed the way we played. We figured out what exe was doing, and they fucking fell apart. Post match, they disbanded due to salt.

According to Oblivion, he has already reviewed a demo or two with a UGC admin and they found no evidence of hacking. I'm not sure who the admin was, but that's what he told me. If you guys want to review his demos, by all means, review them. He's willing to give whatever he can to prove his innocence. Good logs don't mean hacks. Good logs mean he did well.

Also, he tried his muscle memory thing with amby spy and failed epicly, that's why you don't see footage of it.[/quote]

If he tells you what admin it was I would be more inclined to believe you.
766
#766
11 Frags +

IIRC the overlay can be disabled.
Just sayin'

IIRC the overlay can be disabled.
Just sayin'
767
#767
5 Frags +

Good logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.

Good logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.
768
#768
-12 Frags +
dollarlayerJetzrondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?
The airshot on BL mid: he had no view of the jumping soldier then suddenly twitches up airshots, then moves his fov back to ground level view.

Hacks or pure luck and using much higher sense than 2.5" per 360.

Yes, that BL mid shot at the end was mostly luck, and through the power of editing, I was able to take out the other 90% of shots that I completely missed. It's a really fun way to practice flickshots and I decided to make a video out of it because I thought it was entertaining and really shows the power of my a high sensitivity, no mouse acceleration, and practice, among other ingredients like a 144hz monitor which allows you to see more when flicking than an average 60hz monitor could display.

kounterpartsThat shotgun shot gave it away. On top if the fact hes using the direct hit. Which is the easiest to use with projectile prediction.

Yes. What other weapon would I use or 180-degree flickshots? A minigun wouldn't be as flashy and an ambassador or sniper are extremely difficult because they take a lot more precision than a one-shot DH to a scout's entire hitbox. The shotgun shot was the same thing, just with the shotgun instead of the DH. Take a look at that shot again at 1/4 speed. It was a flickshot. And hell if that doesn't convince you, I'll use my phone to record my mouse and monitor and do the same thing.

dollarlayerSo overall his reaction time in spinning around is about 10x of whats normal. 2.5" 360.... I used to play with that... You can NOT spin around that fast.

You can, actually. 2.5"/360 means you can turn 360 in 2.5". Therefore a 180 takes less than an inch an a half. Thanks to no mouse accel, I can flick that distance as fast as I want and it'll turn roughly 180 every time.

I made that video for fun because, like I said, I wanted to share how powerful those settings combined can be. Obviously it's not viable in an actual match (my team and I were hanging around and having some fun after a scrim when I recorded the footage for that video), although it does help as a heavy when you need to turn around quickly to deal with spies or track scouts.

[quote=dollarlayer][quote=Jetz]rondego made this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vytYPZfiaB4
after going from this http://logs.tf/850753 to this http://logs.tf/850914 in ~20min
Thoughts?[/quote] The airshot on BL mid: he had no view of the jumping soldier then suddenly twitches up airshots, then moves his fov back to ground level view.

Hacks or pure luck and using much higher sense than 2.5" per 360.[/quote]

Yes, that BL mid shot at the end was mostly luck, and through the power of editing, I was able to take out the other 90% of shots that I completely missed. It's a really fun way to practice flickshots and I decided to make a video out of it because I thought it was entertaining and really shows the power of my a high sensitivity, no mouse acceleration, and practice, among other ingredients like a 144hz monitor which allows you to see more when flicking than an average 60hz monitor could display.

[quote=kounterparts]That shotgun shot gave it away. On top if the fact hes using the direct hit. Which is the easiest to use with projectile prediction.[/quote]

Yes. What other weapon would I use or 180-degree flickshots? A minigun wouldn't be as flashy and an ambassador or sniper are extremely difficult because they take a lot more precision than a one-shot DH to a scout's entire hitbox. The shotgun shot was the same thing, just with the shotgun instead of the DH. Take a look at that shot again at 1/4 speed. It was a flickshot. And hell if that doesn't convince you, I'll use my phone to record my mouse and monitor and do the same thing.

[quote=dollarlayer]So overall his reaction time in spinning around is about 10x of whats normal. 2.5" 360.... I used to play with that... You can NOT spin around that fast.[/quote]

You can, actually. 2.5"/360 means you can turn 360 in 2.5". Therefore a 180 takes less than an inch an a half. Thanks to no mouse accel, I can flick that distance as fast as I want and it'll turn roughly 180 every time.

I made that video for fun because, like I said, I wanted to share how powerful those settings combined can be. Obviously it's not viable in an actual match (my team and I were hanging around and having some fun after a scrim when I recorded the footage for that video), although it does help as a heavy when you need to turn around quickly to deal with spies or track scouts.
769
#769
3 Frags +

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770
#770
-18 Frags +
MaxillawsGood logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.

[quote=Maxillaws]Good logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.
771
#771
-14 Frags +
barycenterFrom watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.MaxillawsEven if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.

I've got my POV of that match up too. Like Podgy said, our team got its shit together and .exe just fell apart, which is usually when I play my best, since I can capitalize on their players overextending and just generally being disorganized.

[quote=barycenter]From watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.
[quote=Maxillaws]Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.[/quote]

I've got my POV of that match up too. Like Podgy said, our team got its shit together and .exe just fell apart, which is usually when I play my best, since I can capitalize on their players overextending and just generally being disorganized.
772
#772
5 Frags +
barycenterFrom watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.MaxillawsEven if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.That probably means that the enemy team wasn't focusing him hard enough. And top fragging as heavy (in <=silver) isn't too difficult when the other team's being inattentive (the team that DAT was playing on upward most definitely was).

This was back when I was trying out in silver, and had never played heavy on a team before: http://logs.tf/825545?highlight=76561198054601537

Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.
podgy713MaxillawsGood logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.

You're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?

I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver

[quote=barycenter]From watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.
[quote=Maxillaws]Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]
That probably means that the enemy team wasn't focusing him hard enough. And top fragging as heavy (in <=silver) isn't too difficult when the other team's being inattentive (the team that DAT was playing on upward most definitely was).

This was back when I was trying out in silver, and had never played heavy on a team before: http://logs.tf/825545?highlight=76561198054601537

Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.[/quote]

[quote=podgy713][quote=Maxillaws]Good logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.[/quote]

You're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?


I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver
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#773
-8 Frags +
MaxillawsYou're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?

I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver

I don't think I'm sandbagging, since this is the first actual season I've played in silver (I've only ever played in steel except for Space Jammers which only played one week before disbanding), and I've tried out for multiple gold teams but didn't make the cut for any, including PVP and bonus, although that was about two season ago or so.

I don't know what happened with the other team during that match, but I have my own POV with comms on youtube if you'd like to find out what happened during the game. Podgy also has his POV with the exact same comms if you'd like even more perspective.

[quote=Maxillaws]
You're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?

I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver[/quote]

I don't think I'm sandbagging, since this is the first actual season I've played in silver (I've only ever played in steel except for Space Jammers which only played one week before disbanding), and I've tried out for multiple gold teams but didn't make the cut for any, including PVP and bonus, although that was about two season ago or so.

I don't know what happened with the other team during that match, but I have my own POV with comms on youtube if you'd like to find out what happened during the game. Podgy also has his POV with the exact same comms if you'd like even more perspective.
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#774
-12 Frags +
MaxillawsbarycenterFrom watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.MaxillawsEven if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.That probably means that the enemy team wasn't focusing him hard enough. And top fragging as heavy (in <=silver) isn't too difficult when the other team's being inattentive (the team that DAT was playing on upward most definitely was).

This was back when I was trying out in silver, and had never played heavy on a team before: http://logs.tf/825545?highlight=76561198054601537

Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.
podgy713MaxillawsGood logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.

You're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?

I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver

Like I said before, their team fell apart and disbanded a couple hours after our match. This was the first match we had with Rondego btw, so your crack about every team falling apart to DAT doesnt make sense.

[quote=Maxillaws][quote=barycenter]From watching Rondego's POV of the final round of the match, I didn't find anything suspicious at all. The DH twitch video, though, I can't really tell.
[quote=Maxillaws]Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]
That probably means that the enemy team wasn't focusing him hard enough. And top fragging as heavy (in <=silver) isn't too difficult when the other team's being inattentive (the team that DAT was playing on upward most definitely was).

This was back when I was trying out in silver, and had never played heavy on a team before: http://logs.tf/825545?highlight=76561198054601537

Still, I can see why going from 13-11 to 46-5 in 20 minutes could be considered suspicious.[/quote]

[quote=podgy713][quote=Maxillaws]Good logs don't mean hacks you're right. Consistently crazy logs are fishy though.

Even if you are taking 40+% of heals as Heavy, getting 30+ kills and dying less than 10 times a lot of the time isn't normal.[/quote]

This whole post is just riddled with fallacy. "Consistently crazy logs are fishy though." Maybe he's just good? I mean he did get Steel Allstar. I know the Allstar games are a popularity contest for the most part, but he did deserve his spot.

As for the 2nd part of your statement. Why isn't it normal? Watch the POV. we played passively and held really really well. Ron and I took care of the main doors while Lt and Oneal shut down their flank. It was amazing. The top scorers of our defensive hold were Ron, me, and Lt. He never died because we backed up at the proper times and he got kills because we held really well.

Also, Ron's post above just says it all.[/quote]

You're telling me every single team DAT plays against is incredibly unorganized and don't know how to focus fire?


I mean it's possible but the chances of that being the case is extremely unlikely.

About your point saying maybe if he's just good.

If he is that good he wouldn't be playing in steel or silver[/quote]


Like I said before, their team fell apart and disbanded a couple hours after our match. This was the first match we had with Rondego btw, so your crack about every team falling apart to DAT doesnt make sense.
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#775
12 Frags +

Steel all-star is a show of skill and not just a dick sucking competition?

Steel all-star is a show of skill and not just a dick sucking competition?
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#776
4 Frags +

cheaters putting in so much effort to defend themselves is so gay

cheaters putting in so much effort to defend themselves is so gay
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#777
19 Frags +

Why is flicking 180s behind you something that would become muscle memory

Why is flicking 180s behind you something that would become muscle memory
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#778
-16 Frags +

Rondego uploaded a video with a camera on his mouse. If you guys still dont believe us, well then I'm not sure what will help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuGeBrDDeU

Rondego uploaded a video with a camera on his mouse. If you guys still dont believe us, well then I'm not sure what will help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEuGeBrDDeU
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#779
15 Frags +

not saying he is or isnt hacking, but it seems pretty easy to do extremely well as heavy when youre being tanked that hard in silver

not saying he is or isnt hacking, but it seems pretty easy to do extremely well as heavy when youre being tanked that hard in silver
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#780
-22 Frags +
Pellovleynot saying he is or isnt hacking, but it seems pretty easy to do extremely well as heavy when youre being tanked that hard in silver

Oh my god did someone just say something with a basis of proper information and not opinion on a tf2 thread? Holy shit that's unheard of.

[quote=Pellovley]not saying he is or isnt hacking, but it seems pretty easy to do extremely well as heavy when youre being tanked that hard in silver[/quote]

Oh my god did someone just say something with a basis of proper information and not opinion on a tf2 thread? Holy shit that's unheard of.
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