OtakuScott_2OdissiuseYou just killed your own argument if there's no difference then just stick with 90 fov
It's okay man, I can see English isn't your native language. I won't hold it against you that you didn't pass Reading Comprehension.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
He's Brazilian so maybe he will understand the following...
huehuehuehue
kyyyoobSo you make this petition, hoping people will see your problem/goal, then insult them for disagreeing/misunderstanding you.
90% of the people who have posted in this thread are disagreeing or misunderstanding because they are uninformed or willfully ignorant.
The petition isn't going to work, that much is clear now. So may as well rustle some jimmies.
[quote=OtakuScott_2][quote=Odissius][quote=e]You just killed your own argument if there's no difference then just stick with 90 fov[/quote]
It's okay man, I can see English isn't your native language. I won't hold it against you that you didn't pass Reading Comprehension.[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/quote]
He's Brazilian so maybe he will understand the following...
huehuehuehue
[quote=kyyyoob]So you make this petition, hoping people will see your problem/goal, then insult them for disagreeing/misunderstanding you.[/quote]
90% of the people who have posted in this thread are disagreeing or misunderstanding because they are uninformed or willfully ignorant.
The petition isn't going to work, that much is clear now. So may as well rustle some jimmies.
I still have no idea who the OP is :/
I still have no idea who the OP is :/
Haha is this thread still going on? Guess e` is too busy being at LAN and all that.
Odissius, I'm going to run through this once, very clearly, so that maybe you'll actually understand. Chances are by now that you've already -frag'd me and are typing up an incredibly wit-and-logic-filled response, but in the off chance you decided to read more than three sentences, allow me to enlighten you as to why you are currently in the bottom 5 percent of "likable people in the community."
You came up with a pretty reasonable suggestion: increase the FoV limit to 105 from 90. Okay, sure, that'd be nice; there are plugins to do that for vanilla TF2 already, so you'd only need ESEA to unban the plugin, got it. We'll make two assumptions for now: 1) people with the power to change the ESEA Client are reading this thread, and 2) ESEA is willing to make such a change. Most people understand that neither of these are true, though.
Anyway, we'll move on to why people are, in your words, "shitposting," and in everybody else's, "disagreeing" with you. There are three simple reasons for this:
1. When people raise valid points against you (and are agreed with), you simply tell them they are wrong or ignore the point completely, despite it being the general consensus. After seeing somebody disagree with you, rather than point out their mistake or defend your argument with new material, you call them "faggots", "idiots", "shitposters", etc. and offer nothing constructive.
2. When one person does kind of agree with you, you acknowledge them as the only intelligent person in the community (second only to yourself, of course) and praise them heavily, while implying that 99% of the community is wrong and you're the 1% who really knows what's up.
3. As people have mentioned, the extra 15 degrees isn't there for a reason; yes, other games have used higher FoVs in the past, and you're right in that we do change Valve's rules a bit to enhance competitive play. Unfortunately, your strongest reasoning for making the change is that you have (a rare case of) eye strain, while the concerns against this change essentially add up to "it changes the game too much to keep it balanced."
So, three simple points. To sum up succinctly: you're being a huge tool, you're being heavily biased and unwilling to have some perspective (ironic, no?), and your idea holds water but certainly not enough to warrant the change. There you have it, have fun ignoring all of that and calling me retarded.
Haha is this thread still going on? Guess e` is too busy being at LAN and all that.
Odissius, I'm going to run through this once, very clearly, so that maybe you'll actually understand. Chances are by now that you've already -frag'd me and are typing up an incredibly wit-and-logic-filled response, but in the off chance you decided to read more than three sentences, allow me to enlighten you as to why you are currently in the bottom 5 percent of "likable people in the community."
You came up with a pretty reasonable suggestion: increase the FoV limit to 105 from 90. Okay, sure, that'd be nice; there are plugins to do that for vanilla TF2 already, so you'd only need ESEA to unban the plugin, got it. We'll make two assumptions for now: 1) people with the power to change the ESEA Client are reading this thread, and 2) ESEA is willing to make such a change. Most people understand that neither of these are true, though.
Anyway, we'll move on to why people are, in your words, "shitposting," and in everybody else's, "disagreeing" with you. There are three simple reasons for this:
1. When people raise valid points against you (and are agreed with), you simply tell them they are wrong or ignore the point completely, despite it being the general consensus. After seeing somebody disagree with you, rather than point out their mistake or defend your argument with new material, you call them "faggots", "idiots", "shitposters", etc. and offer nothing constructive.
2. When one person does kind of agree with you, you acknowledge them as the only intelligent person in the community (second only to yourself, of course) and praise them heavily, while implying that 99% of the community is wrong and you're the 1% who [i]really[/i] knows what's up.
3. As people have mentioned, the extra 15 degrees isn't there for a reason; yes, other games have used higher FoVs in the past, and you're right in that we do change Valve's rules a bit to enhance competitive play. Unfortunately, your strongest reasoning for making the change is that you have (a rare case of) eye strain, while the concerns against this change essentially add up to "it changes the game too much to keep it balanced."
So, three simple points. To sum up succinctly: you're being a huge tool, you're being heavily biased and unwilling to have some perspective (ironic, no?), and your idea holds water but certainly not enough to warrant the change. There you have it, have fun ignoring all of that and calling me retarded.
If you don't think it's a distinct advantage you're incredibly wrong.
If you don't think it's a distinct advantage you're incredibly wrong.
did this really turn into a 100 post thread
did this really turn into a 100 post thread
kirbydid this really turn into a 100 post thread
Kind of your own fault you dolt. And now you made it 101.
[quote=kirby]did this really turn into a 100 post thread[/quote]
Kind of your own fault you dolt. And now you made it 101.
synchroWe'll make two assumptions for now: 1) people with the power to change the ESEA Client are reading this thread, and 2) ESEA is willing to make such a change. Most people understand that neither of these are true, though.
I understand both of those things, I was hoping to get people behind the petition on here and then try to get in touch with the right people at ESEA.
synchro1. When people raise valid points against you
I am still waiting for a legitimate argument against raising the FOV cap by 15 degrees for everyone.
synchro2. When one person does kind of agree with you, you acknowledge them as the only intelligent person in the community (second only to yourself, of course) and praise them heavily, while implying that 99% of the community is wrong and you're the 1% who really knows what's up.
Of course I'm going to do that, when 90% of the posts are people just saying "lol" "this is stupid" "this will break tf2" etc. I wish the invite players I talked to who thought it was a good idea would've posted here.
synchro3. As people have mentioned, the extra 15 degrees isn't there for a reason; yes, other games have used higher FoVs in the past, and you're right in that we do change Valve's rules a bit to enhance competitive play. Unfortunately, your strongest reasoning for making the change is that you have (a rare case of) eye strain, while the concerns against this change essentially add up to "it changes the game too much to keep it balanced."
If you do a Google search on 'Low FOV Eye Strain / Headaches' you will get thousands of results.
Still waiting for someone to detail exactly how 15 degrees extra FOV breaks TF2 gameplay any more than other things, like turning off viewmodels to see more on screen. Because in my experience it has not. Spies will still get stabs in and scouts will still be able to flank and meatshot.
[quote=synchro]We'll make two assumptions for now: 1) people with the power to change the ESEA Client are reading this thread, and 2) ESEA is willing to make such a change. Most people understand that neither of these are true, though.[/quote]
I understand both of those things, I was hoping to get people behind the petition on here and then try to get in touch with the right people at ESEA.
[quote=synchro]
1. When people raise valid points against you[/quote]
I am still waiting for a legitimate argument against raising the FOV cap by 15 degrees for everyone.
[quote=synchro]2. When one person does kind of agree with you, you acknowledge them as the only intelligent person in the community (second only to yourself, of course) and praise them heavily, while implying that 99% of the community is wrong and you're the 1% who [i]really[/i] knows what's up.[/quote]
Of course I'm going to do that, when 90% of the posts are people just saying "lol" "this is stupid" "this will break tf2" etc. I wish the invite players I talked to who thought it was a good idea would've posted here.
[quote=synchro]3. As people have mentioned, the extra 15 degrees isn't there for a reason; yes, other games have used higher FoVs in the past, and you're right in that we do change Valve's rules a bit to enhance competitive play. Unfortunately, your strongest reasoning for making the change is that you have (a rare case of) eye strain, while the concerns against this change essentially add up to "it changes the game too much to keep it balanced."[/quote]
If you do a Google search on 'Low FOV Eye Strain / Headaches' you will get thousands of results.
Still waiting for someone to detail exactly how 15 degrees extra FOV breaks TF2 gameplay any more than other things, like turning off viewmodels to see more on screen. Because in my experience it has not. Spies will still get stabs in and scouts will still be able to flank and meatshot.
why is an esea issue? theyre unlikely to change something clamped at game engine level... bring this up with valve.
why is an esea issue? theyre unlikely to change something clamped at game engine level... bring this up with valve.
It's funny how ETF2L is completely cool with pushing FOV past 90, but the opposite with ESEA...
It's funny how ETF2L is completely cool with pushing FOV past 90, but the opposite with ESEA...
synchrokirbydid this really turn into a 100 post thread
Kind of your own fault you dolt. And now you made it 101.
wow
[quote=synchro][quote=kirby]did this really turn into a 100 post thread[/quote]
Kind of your own fault you dolt. And now you made it 101.[/quote]
wow
what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?
what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?
starry-what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?
I've answered this a few times already...OpenPlugin lets you set your FOV to whatever you want up to 130.
So you can pub and scrim to your heart's desire at your preferred FOV.
[quote=starry-]what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?[/quote]
I've answered this a few times already...OpenPlugin lets you set your FOV to whatever you want up to 130.
So you can pub and scrim to your heart's desire at your preferred FOV.
just -frag and move on nothing to see here
just -frag and move on nothing to see here
Odissiusstarry-what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?
I've answered this a few times already...OpenPlugin lets you set your FOV to whatever you want up to 130.
So you can pub and scrim to your heart's desire at your preferred FOV.
not all pubs will have this plugin. wouldn't it be unfair for 6v6 players that enjoy pubbing? they have to play with two different fov settings so that they can get the same advantage as everyone else.
and how exactly does low fov cause eyestrain?
[quote=Odissius][quote=starry-]what's the point of raising fov to 105 if you'll still have to scrim with 90?[/quote]
I've answered this a few times already...OpenPlugin lets you set your FOV to whatever you want up to 130.
So you can pub and scrim to your heart's desire at your preferred FOV.[/quote]
not all pubs will have this plugin. wouldn't it be unfair for 6v6 players that enjoy pubbing? they have to play with two different fov settings so that they can get the same advantage as everyone else.
and how exactly does low fov cause eyestrain?
vilenot all pubs will have this plugin. wouldn't it be unfair for 6v6 players that enjoy pubbing? they have to play with two different fov settings so that they can get the same advantage as everyone else.
Sorry what? Anyone can install this plugin on their client side if they want.
vileand how exactly does low fov cause eyestrain?
Google it, I've already answered that in this thread and it should be common knowledge to PC gamers by now.
[quote=vile]not all pubs will have this plugin. wouldn't it be unfair for 6v6 players that enjoy pubbing? they have to play with two different fov settings so that they can get the same advantage as everyone else.[/quote]
Sorry what? Anyone can install this plugin on their client side if they want.
[quote=vile]and how exactly does low fov cause eyestrain?[/quote]
Google it, I've already answered that in this thread and it should be common knowledge to PC gamers by now.
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why are you still posting dude?
you lost, stop it
why are you still posting dude?
you lost, stop it
play windowed mode and give yourself 105 fov
then shut up
bcuz u r annoying
play windowed mode and give yourself 105 fov
then shut up
bcuz u r annoying
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such a good thread
You need to respond to more of the opposition odisius.
Many of the posts with points not valid enough to argue against, other people have found valid.
such as:
1.demo becoming more powerful
2.while an incremental change such as 15fov may not effect gameplay that much, (NOT NONE) more incremental changes over time will have a large effect. Where would you draw the line?
such a good thread
You need to respond to more of the opposition odisius.
Many of the posts with points not valid enough to argue against, other people have found valid.
such as:
1.demo becoming more powerful
2.while an incremental change such as 15fov may not effect gameplay that much, (NOT NONE) more incremental changes over time will have a large effect. Where would you draw the line?
lmao if you google "low fov eyestrain," this is the top result.
lmao if you google "low fov eyestrain," this is the top result.
equalsdsuch as:
1.demo becoming more powerful
2.while an incremental change such as 15fov may not effect gameplay that much, (NOT NONE) more incremental changes over time will have a large effect. Where would you draw the line?
Lettuce be cereal, an increase of 7.5 degrees on left and right ain't gunna make demo more powerful breh. What extra changes?
equalsdlmao if you google "low fov eyestrain," this is the top result.
it sure is :)....edit: damn actually it is second
[quote=equalsd]such as:
1.demo becoming more powerful
2.while an incremental change such as 15fov may not effect gameplay that much, (NOT NONE) more incremental changes over time will have a large effect. Where would you draw the line?[/quote]
Lettuce be cereal, an increase of 7.5 degrees on left and right ain't gunna make demo more powerful breh. What extra changes?
[quote=equalsd]lmao if you google "low fov eyestrain," this is the top result.[/quote]
it sure is :)....edit: damn actually it is second