Pretty much a clash between players who think this game should be about who can best perfect the established arena vs who can best adapt to a changing one.

Should have been banned mid season. In principle I think it should be left to an invite vote, but honestly I'm just glad it's banned.

LMFAO

I hope you're just a brilliant troll, i really do

have people forgotten how bad the lan was in general it wasn't just the gullywash match that was bad, How people enjoy playing/watching quick fix is beyond me

Are you new here? admins/invite captains have been running the ban show since there first were unlocks to ban.

Nearly every player I spoke to at lan about it wants it banned.

Actually, it kind of does. Not everyone should be given too much power. If the entire community was allowed to vote on weapon bans, competitive TF2 would just become broken. Trolls would pretty much vote to unban broken weapons.

You're kidding right? ESEA admins check forums, 95% of their league wants an item banned, with hardly anyone speaking in favor of the weapon. Admins also speak to players at the LAN and get their opinion. Based off what Killing and Boomer have said, it sounds like players at the LAN are in agreement with his decision.

You still don't see why you should have been more outspoken??

If you didn't see the ban coming you either weren't watching or just have no awareness of the situation.

Valve are a bit more responsive lately. Maybe this will inspire them to rebalance the Quickfix a tad.

Of course I am among the finest of all trolls, but I was being serious. And idk what you are interpreting into my post but all I was trying to say is that "I was around there and I talked to some of the captains and that's why I ban" imo does not replace a proper poll/vote like it has been handled before.

It's fine that it's banned, but banning the Quick Fix is also a tragedy for Medic mains around the world. I believe that the TF2 dev team originally made the change to the QF (among other weapons) to benefit 6v6, and hopefully they will be able to find some sort of middle ground that allows us to bring it back into the game at a later point.

Valve doesn't balance weapons for 6s, they balance for pubs. That's probably something like 95% of their playerbase, with traders being 4.99% and competitive players the rest.

I'm not so sure about that, I still feel uneasy about the Escape Plan nerf, then again others might not mind, but sometimes you might be running away with say 10 health left and a scout or soldier will just chip you from across the map, you'd think that you got away, but nope.

In that same patch was a nerf to the Escape Plan...I'm pretty sure that nobody in pubs cares.

fuck

You do have a point there.

Yeah, talking to people in the middle of a huge event is not the same as giving them time to think and then vote. Especially when not all the people who should get a vote were there - the captains of the other six Invite teams should get to vote as well, and I doubt Killing took the time in the middle of LAN to talk to all of them.

Point is, regardless of the circumstances surrounding it, the question of whether to ban the Quick Fix should be treated the same as the question of whether to ban any other weapon in the game.

Wow, they banned it right after LAN. That was a quick fix.

making a decision like this is like getting all hot and bothered, then trying to talk rationally when you're still horny. should have jerked off first, then with peace of mind discussed the QF and its impact on the game

i'm so happy omg

I think the worst part about the quick fix that I haven't seen mentioned (or perhaps haven't noticed,) is that it seems to eventually force both teams to use it. Before you disregard that and assert the notion that kritz destroys quick fix, consider the possibility that switching to kritz isn't 100% fool proof.

I hate to use what happened at LAN as an example because of the context that requires consideration with LAN. Nevertheless, I asked a few LAN players myself about their significant use of the quick fix at LAN, and the general consensus was that they were forced to use quick fix to keep up with the other team.

If it is arguably so, that it is difficult to avoid using quick fix against a team who is using it, then I think that blows. I don't think it's 'fun' to have to use a certain weapon just because the other team is, and thus be forced to play a certain way.

I do NOT think that the ONLY way to counter quick fix is using it yourself, but it seems that as of right now, it is difficult to argue otherwise. There is much to be considered, and it's easy to make different arguments.

I don't want to buy into the notion of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em," and that's because I don't want to feel like my options are limited because of another teams choice of medigun.

so maybe I'm just arguing with myself on this one, but I hope we can all agree that even being forced to at least consider HAVING to use a certain weapon because the other team is doing so, is lame and not fun.

No opinions allowed?

I highly doubt the other invite teams even came close to getting the same amount of practice with the quickfix. Most of the lan teams only picked up quickfix because mix^ was running it and it was too strong to not run it when playing them. Almost everyone there wanted it banned after having to use it for 3 weeks.

what is wrong with people in this community

if pretty much every player in invite wanted it banned that should be enough of an explanation

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/10702/

So Killing will the other Invite captains get to vote on the ban? If a majority wants to ban it that's fine but there should at least be a formal poll.

It's just Invite players at LAN, but still, you have a point.

all i was trying to say was that there was no reason to stray away from the already established method of the invite captains voting on the weapon bans. Killing did not need to do this ban ahead of schedule without a proper vote, if he truly talked to invite captains at LAN then their opinions would still have been equally valid when the weapon ban vote came around.

I'm not sure why people who are under the effects of the Quick Fix are allowed to contribute to capture time.

The whole point of using an unlock is because it is somehow superior to/beneficial against what your opponent is using, providing you with an advantage as long as the opponent plays the same way/doesn't adapt to the change.

The only question is how far superior the unlock is and if it increases or reduces the number of viable choices. I think this has yet to be shown with the quickfix and thus I think a proper voteban is the most appropriate thing.

Also the QF has basically been tried out less than the vaccinator when it was new and it's already b&.

ep, boston basher, gunboats

don't see why those weapons should get a pass just because they're the league's darlings

on top of that i'm reminded of all the whining when the EP got a (well-deserved) nerf, in contrast with the QF ruling. it's obvious so many competitive players pick favorites