this unlock is extremely overpowered, medic is not meant to have this much mobility in 6s at all, jumping out whenever you please with a soldier/demo, moving as fast as a scout when healing it, getting charge as fast as kritz without having to build, making crit buffs irrelevant with how fast it heals every class, forced to going kritz as a 'somewhat' useful counter. its just so gimmicky, it's a HUGE upgrade from kritz/uber, goes beyond what the medic should be able to do. one unlock shouldn't change the flow of the game to such a huge degree
honestly unless this is nerfed i don't see the point in keeping it in league play at all. and i'm just curious as to why it wasn't banned until the season was over just like every other season in ESEA when new unlocks were introduced or current ones were altered in a huge way
this unlock is extremely overpowered, medic is not meant to have this much mobility in 6s at all, jumping out whenever you please with a soldier/demo, moving as fast as a scout when healing it, getting charge as fast as kritz without having to build, making crit buffs irrelevant with how fast it heals every class, forced to going kritz as a 'somewhat' useful counter. its just so gimmicky, it's a HUGE upgrade from kritz/uber, goes beyond what the medic should be able to do. one unlock shouldn't change the flow of the game to such a huge degree
honestly unless this is nerfed i don't see the point in keeping it in league play at all. and i'm just curious as to why it wasn't banned until the season was over just like every other season in ESEA when new unlocks were introduced or current ones were altered in a huge way
if its overpowered why are we the only invite team using it? if its so much better why doesn't every team use it?
if its overpowered why are we the only invite team using it? if its so much better why doesn't every team use it?
i think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed
i think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed
defyi think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed
that doesn't matter. if its as huge of an upgrade as you say it is and its so much better than uber/kritz then every team should be running it. we are literally the only invite team the is using it. it isn't op, it might be gay to play against, but that doesn't make it unbeatable/uncounterable.
most importantly it makes medic fun to play, and anyone who hasn't played medic for more than a season should have no say over banning it.
[quote=defy]i think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed[/quote]
that doesn't matter. if its as huge of an upgrade as you say it is and its so much better than uber/kritz then every team should be running it. we are literally the only invite team the is using it. it isn't op, it might be gay to play against, but that doesn't make it unbeatable/uncounterable.
most importantly it makes medic fun to play, and anyone who hasn't played medic for more than a season should have no say over banning it.
ban granary badlands and gullywash they were all changed and we don't know how they'll play now
ban granary badlands and gullywash they were all changed and we don't know how they'll play now
Should allow it for a season and see what happens imo.
Should allow it for a season and see what happens imo.
I think its a pretty fun alternative. However, with the recent buff to it, I feel like a slightly slower charge rate would make it more balanced. To be honest though, players should just adapt to the change and learn to play with it. It certainly can make the game more exciting, and now we have a rock, paper, scissors type of game to play with the medi-guns. Hopefully it's in the next season of ESEA as well as I think the changes to it were made so that it actually got used by more players.
I think its a pretty fun alternative. However, with the recent buff to it, I feel like a [i]slightly[/i] slower charge rate would make it more balanced. To be honest though, players should just adapt to the change and learn to play with it. It certainly can make the game more exciting, and now we have a rock, paper, scissors type of game to play with the medi-guns. Hopefully it's in the next season of ESEA as well as I think the changes to it were made so that it actually got used by more players.
defy doesn't want medics to have fun
defy doesn't want medics to have fun
the gun should not be banned, it's nowhere near overpowered and gives a reason for people to enjoy medic. so what if you think it's gay because it's different than what you're used to. It's been tried out by literally every team in invite like harbleu said and mixup is the only team that felt it was viable enough to actually use. Cant wait to see how it plays out at lan
the gun should not be banned, it's nowhere near overpowered and gives a reason for people to enjoy medic. so what if you think it's gay because it's different than what you're used to. It's been tried out by literally every team in invite like harbleu said and mixup is the only team that felt it was viable enough to actually use. Cant wait to see how it plays out at lan
harbleudefyi think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed
that doesn't matter. if its as huge of an upgrade as you say it is and its so much better than uber/kritz then every team should be running it. we are literally the only invite team the is using it. it isn't op, it might be gay to play against, but that doesn't make it unbeatable/uncounterable.
most importantly it makes medic fun to play, and anyone who hasn't played medic for more than a season should have no say over banning it.
you asked why i think its OP i stated every thing the unlock does in my original post, i don't get how saying medic is fun all of the sudden has anything to do with balance in the game
[quote=harbleu][quote=defy]i think some teams and/or pocket soldiers just cant use it properly or they feel like their team doesn't play well with it all so they just stick to uber. while it is OP they just haven't adapted to it as quickly as it changed[/quote]
that doesn't matter. if its as huge of an upgrade as you say it is and its so much better than uber/kritz then every team should be running it. we are literally the only invite team the is using it. it isn't op, it might be gay to play against, but that doesn't make it unbeatable/uncounterable.
most importantly it makes medic fun to play, and anyone who hasn't played medic for more than a season should have no say over banning it.[/quote]
you asked why i think its OP i stated every thing the unlock does in my original post, i don't get how saying medic is fun all of the sudden has anything to do with balance in the game
I for one am really excited to see how the meta can change with the rock/paper/scissors of uber/kritz/quick fix
I want teams to try the quick fix this offseason and see what kind of new gameplay we can get out of it
I for one am really excited to see how the meta can change with the rock/paper/scissors of uber/kritz/quick fix
I want teams to try the quick fix this offseason and see what kind of new gameplay we can get out of it
I would like to see more air to air medic 1v1s.
I would like to see more air to air medic 1v1s.
http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/10293-quick-fix/1
defyyou asked why i think its OP i stated every thing the unlock does in my original post, i don't get how saying medic is fun all of the sudden has anything to do with balance in the game
lol what? i never asked why you thought it was op. i stated if it is op then why aren't other teams running a weapon that you say is obviously much better. saying it makes medic fun was just another reason that makes the weapon good, along with it being a viable alternative to uber/kritz and further pushing the metagame.
[quote=defy]you asked why i think its OP i stated every thing the unlock does in my original post, i don't get how saying medic is fun all of the sudden has anything to do with balance in the game[/quote]
lol what? i never asked why you thought it was op. i stated if it is op then why aren't other teams running a weapon that you say is obviously much better. saying it makes medic fun was just another reason that makes the weapon good, along with it being a viable alternative to uber/kritz and further pushing the metagame.
I personally side with defy here - but I wouldn't mind seeing it play out for a little bit - if anything it'll just mean more kritz lol. I feel like the heal rate or the charge rate should/could be tweeked to at least make it make a little more sense - I've seen some pretty wacky things happen with the quickfix - but that could be a symptom of teams not knowing how to handle it.
I personally side with defy here - but I wouldn't mind seeing it play out for a little bit - if anything it'll just mean more kritz lol. I feel like the heal rate or the charge rate should/could be tweeked to at least make it make a little more sense - I've seen some pretty wacky things happen with the quickfix - but that could be a symptom of teams not knowing how to handle it.
i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone isn't going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please
i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone isn't going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please
defyi'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone is going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please
nobody is angry. people just disagree with your opinion. not one post in this thread is anyone insulating someone else or getting upset.
[quote=defy]i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone is going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please[/quote]
nobody is angry. people just disagree with your opinion. not one post in this thread is anyone insulating someone else or getting upset.
harbleudefyi'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone is going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please
nobody is angry yet. people just disagree with your opinion. not one post in this thread is anyone insulating someone else or getting upset.
FTFY
[quote=harbleu][quote=defy]i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone is going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please[/quote]
nobody is angry yet. people just disagree with your opinion. not one post in this thread is anyone insulating someone else or getting upset.[/quote]
FTFY
its fine if people disagree but i just wish someone would present a better reason why they disagree other then 'it makes medic fun'
its fine if people disagree but i just wish someone would present a better reason why they disagree other then 'it makes medic fun'
Im a supporter of the new quick-fix and my only argument defy is that it can change the metagame and it's a good thing to see in 6s. I think Grape sums it up well here.
Some teams will like it, some wont.
Props to Mixup for using it. (Mixing up their tactics like bosses?)
Im a supporter of the new quick-fix and my only argument defy is that it can change the metagame and it's a good thing to see in 6s. I think Grape sums it up well here.
Some teams will like it, some wont.
Props to Mixup for using it. (Mixing up their tactics like bosses?)
defyits fine if people disagree but i just wish someone would present a better reason why they disagree other then 'it makes medic fun'
people have, you just haven't read the thread.
grapeI for one am really excited to see how the meta can change with the rock/paper/scissors of uber/kritz/quick fix
its throws a completely new way to play into tf2's meta. people complain about the game stagnating and a new weapon is finally added that provides a big difference in ways to play and people start wanting it banned.
[quote=defy]its fine if people disagree but i just wish someone would present a better reason why they disagree other then 'it makes medic fun'[/quote]
people have, you just haven't read the thread.
[quote=grape]I for one am really excited to see how the meta can change with the rock/paper/scissors of uber/kritz/quick fix[/quote]
its throws a completely new way to play into tf2's meta. people complain about the game stagnating and a new weapon is finally added that provides a big difference in ways to play and people start wanting it banned.
i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry???
and then immediately admit
nobody is angry yet.
what
[quote]i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry???[/quote]
and then immediately admit
[quote]nobody is angry yet.[/quote]
what
I think it makes for a much more aggressive and action packed game. Completely skill oriented unlock for medic that can break up the horrible stalemates that tf2 is known for. Teams can be really creative in how they chose to use it.
I think it makes for a much more aggressive and action packed game. Completely skill oriented unlock for medic that can break up the horrible stalemates that tf2 is known for. Teams can be really creative in how they chose to use it.
The quick fix adds a new degree of team play we haven't seen before.
Before the buff, there was stock uber (which beat kritz) and kritz (which beat teams that didn't have uber ready).
Now, uber counters kritz (kritz ineffective on invulnerable players), kritz counters quick fix (enough damage to kill quick fix charged players despite more health), and quick fix counters ubercharge (you can simply jump your entire team away from the ubercharge).
Being on a team that uses the quick fix on occasion, i get to experience firsthand some of the awesome, fresh gameplay it can bring.
The quick fix adds a new degree of team play we haven't seen before.
Before the buff, there was stock uber (which beat kritz) and kritz (which beat teams that didn't have uber ready).
Now, uber counters kritz (kritz ineffective on invulnerable players), kritz counters quick fix (enough damage to kill quick fix charged players despite more health), and quick fix counters ubercharge (you can simply jump your entire team away from the ubercharge).
Being on a team that uses the quick fix on occasion, i get to experience firsthand some of the awesome, fresh gameplay it can bring.
The new quick fix is the main reason I want to play next season. It has the potential to completely fix the terrible chokepoint standoffs.
The new quick fix is the main reason I want to play next season. It has the potential to completely fix the terrible chokepoint standoffs.
rock, paper, scissors
because everyone knows rock paper scissors is the perfect competitive game
tf2 needed more rng
[quote]rock, paper, scissors[/quote]
because everyone knows rock paper scissors is the perfect competitive game
tf2 needed more rng
defyi'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone isn't going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please
so why did you even post this
[quote=defy]i'm just confused right now as to why everyone is getting angry??? you can discuss the unlock or point out why you disagree with what i said in my original post. no need to mob up and get all upset like you actually care that deeply about my opinion. the mob mentality is adorable among tf2 players. just quote what i said, tell me why you agree or disagree and stop getting so bent out of shape. my opinion alone isn't going to sway everyone and i don't control the status of it being banned or not, relax please[/quote]
so why did you even post this