DrPloxoSo . . . what did we learn from this horrible, horrible atrocity of a thread?
I didn't think I had the fortitude to read all of shitposting and -frag appropriately.
Today I learned I should believe in myself more.
UGC Admin TF2_Moose VAC Banned
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[quote=DrPloxo]So . . . what did we learn from this horrible, horrible atrocity of a thread?[/quote]
I didn't think I had the fortitude to read all of shitposting and -frag appropriately.
Today I learned I should believe in myself more.
I didn't think I had the fortitude to read all of shitposting and -frag appropriately.
Today I learned I should believe in myself more.
this thread is all the negative stereotypes about esports rolled into one i mean goddamn
this thread is all the negative stereotypes about esports rolled into one i mean goddamn
If this was a UGC thread it would have been locked a long time ago, js.
If this was a UGC thread it would have been locked a long time ago, js.
Why are people getting selectively banned for using openplugin? If VAC can detect it, wouldn't they ban everyone that has it?
Moose via Reddit acknowledged using this in a MvM game. Perhaps the fact that MvM is primarily hosted on Valve Servers had something to do with it.
Good post by Forn, I'm sure m4rissa still feels jaded about how her incident went down but that (like this), is in the past and it's good to see UGC making positive strides.
[quote]Why are people getting selectively banned for using openplugin? If VAC can detect it, wouldn't they ban everyone that has it?[/quote]
Moose via Reddit acknowledged using this in a MvM game. Perhaps the fact that MvM is primarily hosted on Valve Servers had something to do with it.
Good post by Forn, I'm sure m4rissa still feels jaded about how her incident went down but that (like this), is in the past and it's good to see UGC making positive strides.
Moose via Reddit acknowledged using this in a MvM game. Perhaps the fact that MvM is primarily hosted on Valve Servers had something to do with it.
Good post by Forn, I'm sure m4rissa still feels jaded about how her incident went down but that (like this), is in the past and it's good to see UGC making positive strides.
eXtineMoose via Reddit acknowledged using this in a MvM game. Perhaps the fact that MvM is primarily hosted on Valve Servers had something to do with it.
this is not how VAC works. valve's servers are simply vanilla ones and do not run some special version of VAC.
[quote=eXtine]Moose via Reddit acknowledged using this in a MvM game. Perhaps the fact that MvM is primarily hosted on Valve Servers had something to do with it.[/quote]
this is not how VAC works. valve's servers are simply vanilla ones and do not run some special version of VAC.
this is not how VAC works. valve's servers are simply vanilla ones and do not run some special version of VAC.
*shrug* was just throwing it out there.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.
*shrug* was just throwing it out there.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.
eXtine*shrug* was just throwing it out there.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.
OpenPlugin only allows fov_desired up to 130 since that wallhack bug was made public.
A lot of mods/plugins/cvarcheckers (TFTrue for example) allow servers to anyone with a fov higher than a specified value (e.g. 90) or set fov_desired limits different from 90.
Since this is the only way of checking if someone is using OpenPlugin/higher fov there is no need to ban OpenPlugin seperately.
[quote=eXtine]*shrug* was just throwing it out there.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.[/quote]OpenPlugin only allows fov_desired up to 130 since that wallhack bug was made public.
A lot of mods/plugins/cvarcheckers (TFTrue for example) allow servers to anyone with a fov higher than a specified value (e.g. 90) or set fov_desired limits different from 90.
Since this is the only way of checking if someone is using OpenPlugin/higher fov there is no need to ban OpenPlugin seperately.
Open Plugin's capable to do the FoV switch as demonstrated in Skyride's video is pretty ridiculous. Until Valve blocks it, imo every league should ban it like greaver suggested.[/quote]OpenPlugin only allows fov_desired up to 130 since that wallhack bug was made public.
A lot of mods/plugins/cvarcheckers (TFTrue for example) allow servers to anyone with a fov higher than a specified value (e.g. 90) or set fov_desired limits different from 90.
Since this is the only way of checking if someone is using OpenPlugin/higher fov there is no need to ban OpenPlugin seperately.
mustardoverlordp.s. at my school they forced you to do LD debate for a year before doing any other kind, which was why I didn't do debate
LD blows
Oh shit lol I did Public Forum Debate for four years and went to nationals twice. I always liked PF more honestly, I hate spreading in LD/Policy.
On-topic: simply the fact open plugin allows modifying a cvar past the extent the game devs meant to limit it warrants a ban in my book.
[quote=mustardoverlord]
p.s. at my school they forced you to do LD debate for a year before doing any other kind, which was why I didn't do debate
LD blows[/quote]
Oh shit lol I did Public Forum Debate for four years and went to nationals twice. I always liked PF more honestly, I hate spreading in LD/Policy.
On-topic: simply the fact open plugin allows modifying a cvar past the extent the game devs meant to limit it warrants a ban in my book.
p.s. at my school they forced you to do LD debate for a year before doing any other kind, which was why I didn't do debate
LD blows[/quote]
Oh shit lol I did Public Forum Debate for four years and went to nationals twice. I always liked PF more honestly, I hate spreading in LD/Policy.
On-topic: simply the fact open plugin allows modifying a cvar past the extent the game devs meant to limit it warrants a ban in my book.
So other people still aren't getting banned for using OpenPlugin, but he is still swearing that is why he got banned? ho-kay
So other people still aren't getting banned for using OpenPlugin, but he is still swearing that is why he got banned? ho-kay
PegmanOn-topic: simply the fact open plugin allows modifying a cvar past the extent the game devs meant to limit it warrants a ban in my book.
cvar checker fov_desired 90 max with autokick.
Also sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov 2 to block fancy fov 170 eyefinity setups.
defianceSo other people still aren't getting banned for using OpenPlugin, but he is still swearing that is why he got banned? ho-kay
Apparently his "OpenPlugin" had a different signature if you know what i mean.
[quote=Pegman]On-topic: simply the fact open plugin allows modifying a cvar past the extent the game devs meant to limit it warrants a ban in my book.[/quote]
cvar checker fov_desired 90 max with autokick.
Also sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov 2 to block fancy fov 170 eyefinity setups.
[quote=defiance]So other people still aren't getting banned for using OpenPlugin, but he is still swearing that is why he got banned? ho-kay[/quote]
Apparently his "OpenPlugin" had a different signature if you know what i mean.
cvar checker fov_desired 90 max with autokick.
Also sv_restrict_aspect_ratio_fov 2 to block fancy fov 170 eyefinity setups.
[quote=defiance]So other people still aren't getting banned for using OpenPlugin, but he is still swearing that is why he got banned? ho-kay[/quote]
Apparently his "OpenPlugin" had a different signature if you know what i mean.
mTomSkirrettI agree with greaver about the policy, but seriously can everyone hold off on the blatant UGC hate until we finish season 9? Only a couple of weeks guys and then you can make a forum thread called "UGC Admins are worse than the devil" where you may say whatever your hate inspires. Meanwhile there are a bunch of people who want to win a season hosted by said admins... so please show a tiny bit of courtesy.
it sounds like youre implying that we should stop calling them out on their bullshit because they may use it against us
that is a silly thing to say, if they did that it would be even sillier
I just mean to say that the league adds value to the game, and people make mistakes; sometimes I forget that there is no forgiveness on the internet. I like UGC.
[quote=m][quote=TomSkirrett]I agree with greaver about the policy, but seriously can everyone hold off on the blatant UGC hate until we finish season 9? Only a couple of weeks guys and then you can make a forum thread called "UGC Admins are worse than the devil" where you may say whatever your hate inspires. Meanwhile there are a bunch of people who want to win a season hosted by said admins... so please show a tiny bit of courtesy.[/quote]
it sounds like youre implying that we should stop calling them out on their bullshit because they may use it against us
that is a silly thing to say, if they did that it would be even sillier[/quote]
I just mean to say that the league adds value to the game, and people make mistakes; sometimes I forget that there is no forgiveness on the internet. I like UGC.
it sounds like youre implying that we should stop calling them out on their bullshit because they may use it against us
that is a silly thing to say, if they did that it would be even sillier[/quote]
I just mean to say that the league adds value to the game, and people make mistakes; sometimes I forget that there is no forgiveness on the internet. I like UGC.
new update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin
new update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin
RIP openplugin
DrPloxonew update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin
How does that confirm it was a warning shot by valve?
[quote=DrPloxo]new update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin[/quote]
How does that confirm it was a warning shot by valve?
RIP openplugin[/quote]
How does that confirm it was a warning shot by valve?
DrPloxonew update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin
how is it a warning shot? who else was vac banned for using this plugin?
moose was NOT vac banned for openplugin. either he modified it or ran it wrong somehow, or there is something he is not telling us.
[quote=DrPloxo]new update confirms that it was a warning shot from valve.
RIP openplugin[/quote]
how is it a warning shot? who else was vac banned for using this plugin?
moose was NOT vac banned for openplugin. either he modified it or ran it wrong somehow, or there is something he is not telling us.
RIP openplugin[/quote]
how is it a warning shot? who else was vac banned for using this plugin?
moose was NOT vac banned for openplugin. either he modified it or ran it wrong somehow, or there is something he is not telling us.
still dont think he was banned for open plugin or one of the thousand others users would have gotten banned too.
still dont think he was banned for open plugin or one of the thousand others users would have gotten banned too.
New update basically confirms that Moose was not banned for OpenPlugin as Valve only now started issuing VAC bans for using plugins that ran -insecure
New update basically confirms that Moose was not banned for OpenPlugin as Valve only now started issuing VAC bans for using plugins that ran -insecure
It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
DrPloxoIt's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance. They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.
[quote=DrPloxo]It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.
There's no chance he was banned for Open Plugin. It wasn't a warning shot, VAC wouldn't have banned anyone for it before today's update. Stop being retarded.
There's no chance he was banned for Open Plugin. It wasn't a warning shot, VAC wouldn't have banned anyone for it before today's update. Stop being retarded.
DrPloxoIt's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
1. You still don't know that valve bans for open plugin, if anything it's less likely now that they would update VAC to ban for it and then patch it out a week later.
2. Moose isn't high-profile compared to a hundred other players that used it.
[quote=DrPloxo]It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
1. You still don't know that valve bans for open plugin, if anything it's less likely now that they would update VAC to ban for it and then patch it out a week later.
2. Moose isn't high-profile compared to a hundred other players that used it.
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
1. You still don't know that valve bans for open plugin, if anything it's less likely now that they would update VAC to ban for it and then patch it out a week later.
2. Moose isn't high-profile compared to a hundred other players that used it.
dashtmDrPloxoIt's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance. They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
true enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)
[quote=dashtm][quote=DrPloxo]It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.[/quote]
true enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.[/quote]
true enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)
My conclusion is that Moose crying about OpenPlugin brought it sufficiently to Valve's attention that the decided to fix the exploit.
So thanks for forcing me back to 90 degrees FOV.
My conclusion is that Moose crying about OpenPlugin brought it sufficiently to Valve's attention that the decided to fix the exploit.
So thanks for forcing me back to 90 degrees FOV.
So thanks for forcing me back to 90 degrees FOV.
Disabled plug-ins that would allow users to connect to secure game servers even when -insecure is specified on the command line
Continued use of such plug-ins will risk your Steam account getting VAC banned
<3 The drama of this will be exquisite.
[quote]Disabled plug-ins that would allow users to connect to secure game servers even when -insecure is specified on the command line
Continued use of such plug-ins will risk your Steam account getting VAC banned
[/quote]
<3 The drama of this will be exquisite.
Continued use of such plug-ins will risk your Steam account getting VAC banned
[/quote]
<3 The drama of this will be exquisite.
DrPloxodashtmtrue enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)DrPloxoIt's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance. They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.
they haven't decided to use vac, they're threatening to use vac. they're saying something along the lines of "if you use similar exploits to get around -insecure we will add them to the blacklist and your steam account will get vac banned. consider this a warning."
[quote=DrPloxo][quote=dashtm][quote=DrPloxo]It's possible it was something else. But we can definitely say 2 things:
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.[/quote]
true enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)[/quote]
they haven't decided to use vac, they're threatening to use vac. they're saying something along the lines of "if you use similar exploits to get around -insecure we will add them to the blacklist and your steam account will get vac banned. consider this a warning."
1. Valve bans for open plugin use now.
2. Moose was high-profile enough to create questions about what he was banned for.
A logical conclusion was that they banned for OpenPlugin, and picked somebody that would make enough of a ruckus among the community that people may preemptively disable it.
So it's a warning shot. If it was something else, so be it. But it's likely that they banned for this exact purpose.[/quote]
This. Is. Not. How. VAC. Works. [b]Valve has used manual VAC bans only once and it was in a VERY special circumstance.[/b] They are not going to ban one person (a "high-profile user") for this. If they did why didn't they ban MGE Mike or something? The plugin is HUGE in Europe and that would have sent a huge shockwave out.[/quote]
true enough, maybe they just decided to use vac for it after the controversy (it's been like a week, right?)[/quote]
they haven't decided to use vac, they're threatening to use vac. they're saying something along the lines of "if you use similar exploits to get around -insecure we will add them to the blacklist and your steam account will get vac banned. consider this a warning."
This update only fixed the -insecure bypass. ->OpenPlugin doesn't work on Windows anymore
Valve threatened to add plugins trying to use the -insecure bypass to the VAC banlist. Even though on linux tf2 still loads all plugins (including OpenPlugin) i will stop using it for now until it is confirmed that valve doesn't ban you for that.
tl;dr
welcome to tunnelvision, R.I.P. Quake-TF2
This update only fixed the -insecure bypass. ->OpenPlugin doesn't work on Windows anymore
Valve [b]threatened[/b] to add plugins trying to use the -insecure bypass to the VAC banlist. Even though on linux tf2 still loads all plugins (including OpenPlugin) i will stop using it for now until it is confirmed that valve doesn't ban you for that.
[b]tl;dr[/b]
welcome to tunnelvision, R.I.P. Quake-TF2
Valve [b]threatened[/b] to add plugins trying to use the -insecure bypass to the VAC banlist. Even though on linux tf2 still loads all plugins (including OpenPlugin) i will stop using it for now until it is confirmed that valve doesn't ban you for that.
[b]tl;dr[/b]
welcome to tunnelvision, R.I.P. Quake-TF2
Yeah, even I get that it wasn't OpenPlugin now
I mean, even if they DID want to ban somebody to raise awareness (which they don't do because that's not how VAC works), why would they go after a NAHL player instead of a Premiership Div ETF2L player? That's the league most connected to the Plugin, and has higher profile members than a UGC admin.
It's really starting to look like I'm going to have to get my apology pants on pretty soon...
Yeah, even [i]I[/i] get that it wasn't OpenPlugin now
I mean, even if they DID want to ban somebody to raise awareness (which they don't do because that's not how VAC works), why would they go after a NAHL player instead of a Premiership Div ETF2L player? That's the league most connected to the Plugin, and has higher profile members than a UGC admin.
It's really starting to look like I'm going to have to get my apology pants on pretty soon...
I mean, even if they DID want to ban somebody to raise awareness (which they don't do because that's not how VAC works), why would they go after a NAHL player instead of a Premiership Div ETF2L player? That's the league most connected to the Plugin, and has higher profile members than a UGC admin.
It's really starting to look like I'm going to have to get my apology pants on pretty soon...
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