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#571
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2639 frames 8.776 seconds 300.72 fps ( 3.33 ms/f) 21.626 fps variability
8350K@5000 w/4133C16-17-17-32-2N (all subtimings auto).

Interested to see 3600X and 3700X results with 3733 or higher RAM.

Does anyone know if running timedemo on a 6s POV simulates the real load on your PC during the match or is it less demanding than real-time? Because I never drop below 260~ FPS in 6s POVs but I swear I drop down to like 220-240~ during the actual match. Probably need to log my FPS next time I play.

2639 frames 8.776 seconds 300.72 fps ( 3.33 ms/f) 21.626 fps variability
8350K@5000 w/4133C16-17-17-32-2N (all subtimings auto).

Interested to see 3600X and 3700X results with 3733 or higher RAM.

Does anyone know if running timedemo on a 6s POV simulates the real load on your PC during the match or is it less demanding than real-time? Because I never drop below 260~ FPS in 6s POVs but I swear I drop down to like 220-240~ during the actual match. Probably need to log my FPS next time I play.
572
#572
0 Frags +

^ what CPU is that?

I'm upgrading from i5-3570k to R7 3700X, so I'll make sure to post some comparisons with different mastercomfig presets, I might include frametime graphs with that if I feel like it :)

^ what CPU is that?

I'm upgrading from i5-3570k to R7 3700X, so I'll make sure to post some comparisons with different mastercomfig presets, I might include frametime graphs with that if I feel like it :)
573
#573
2 Frags +

im very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
my demo
my config
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 61.774 seconds 360.28 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.332 fps variability
22256 frames 61.268 seconds 363.26 fps ( 2.75 ms/f) 35.591 fps variability
22256 frames 61.571 seconds 361.47 fps ( 2.77 ms/f) 36.034 fps variability
22256 frames 61.971 seconds 359.13 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.969 fps variability
22256 frames 61.499 seconds 361.89 fps ( 2.76 ms/f) 35.662 fps variability
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 62.134 seconds 358.19 fps ( 2.79 ms/f) 34.584 fps variability
22256 frames 62.496 seconds 356.12 fps ( 2.81 ms/f) 34.274 fps variability
22256 frames 62.768 seconds 354.58 fps ( 2.82 ms/f) 34.670 fps variability
22256 frames 62.982 seconds 353.37 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.468 fps variability
22256 frames 62.905 seconds 353.80 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.471 fps variability
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg

im very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
[url=https://mega.nz/#!OYdRXKZD!iVaGei2YuJUKwt-E0B_Q_7g5qCzbZ5TxYSwDPutNfys]my demo[/url]
[url=https://mega.nz/#F!LIdniAaT!v2Vn1h3Eg91OUEyhzdKajA]my config[/url]
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 61.774 seconds 360.28 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.332 fps variability
22256 frames 61.268 seconds 363.26 fps ( 2.75 ms/f) 35.591 fps variability
22256 frames 61.571 seconds 361.47 fps ( 2.77 ms/f) 36.034 fps variability
22256 frames 61.971 seconds 359.13 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.969 fps variability
22256 frames 61.499 seconds 361.89 fps ( 2.76 ms/f) 35.662 fps variability
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 62.134 seconds 358.19 fps ( 2.79 ms/f) 34.584 fps variability
22256 frames 62.496 seconds 356.12 fps ( 2.81 ms/f) 34.274 fps variability
22256 frames 62.768 seconds 354.58 fps ( 2.82 ms/f) 34.670 fps variability
22256 frames 62.982 seconds 353.37 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.468 fps variability
22256 frames 62.905 seconds 353.80 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.471 fps variability
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg
574
#574
2 Frags +

jesus fucking christ
overtime i've regretted going for a 8350k instead of a ryzen 5 when i built my pc, even more so with zen2 putting out these numbers in the tf2 benchmark
ofc i'm not gonna buy a brand new motherboard and cpu just to get more fps in tf2 (i def would if i had some left over money) but i'm super impressed with zen2

jesus fucking christ
overtime i've regretted going for a 8350k instead of a ryzen 5 when i built my pc, even more so with zen2 putting out these numbers in the tf2 benchmark
ofc i'm not gonna buy a brand new motherboard and cpu just to get more fps in tf2 (i def would if i had some left over money) but i'm super impressed with zen2
575
#575
3 Frags +
Moistim very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
my demo
my config
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz)
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

Can you bench it with this thread demo?

[quote=Moist]im very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
[url=https://mega.nz/#!OYdRXKZD!iVaGei2YuJUKwt-E0B_Q_7g5qCzbZ5TxYSwDPutNfys]my demo[/url]
[url=https://mega.nz/#F!LIdniAaT!v2Vn1h3Eg91OUEyhzdKajA]my config[/url]
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz)
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg[/quote]

Can you bench it with this thread demo?
576
#576
1 Frags +
Moistbenchmark

Could you benchmark with mastercomfig low? Wondering how it'll work on these CPUs.

[quote=Moist]benchmark[/quote]
Could you benchmark with [url=https://mastercomfig.com/download]mastercomfig[/url] low? Wondering how it'll work on these CPUs.
577
#577
3 Frags +

I'll do both tomorrow
i need someone to send me the old benchmark demo

I'll do both tomorrow
i need someone to send me the old benchmark demo
578
#578
1 Frags +
MoistI'll do both tomorrow
i need someone to send me the old benchmark demo

Someone has reuploaded it in previous posts.
https://www102.zippyshare.com/v/fvfg8CAP/file.html

[quote=Moist]I'll do both tomorrow
i need someone to send me the old benchmark demo[/quote]
Someone has reuploaded it in previous posts.
https://www102.zippyshare.com/v/fvfg8CAP/file.html
579
#579
0 Frags +
smesijesus fucking christ
overtime i've regretted going for a 8350k instead of a ryzen 5 when i built my pc, even more so with zen2 putting out these numbers in the tf2 benchmark
ofc i'm not gonna buy a brand new motherboard and cpu just to get more fps in tf2 (i def would if i had some left over money) but i'm super impressed with zen2

Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.

[quote=smesi]jesus fucking christ
overtime i've regretted going for a 8350k instead of a ryzen 5 when i built my pc, even more so with zen2 putting out these numbers in the tf2 benchmark
ofc i'm not gonna buy a brand new motherboard and cpu just to get more fps in tf2 (i def would if i had some left over money) but i'm super impressed with zen2[/quote]

Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.
580
#580
1 Frags +
whitepuzzle
Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.

really?
i get around 200-210 fps in the mastercoms benchmark (with mastercoms medium-low) at 4ghz (i oc'd to 4.5 for a bit and it wasn't that much of a difference), nowhere near as close as the 300+ fps people are posting here

[quote=whitepuzzle]

Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.[/quote]
really?
i get around 200-210 fps in the mastercoms benchmark (with mastercoms medium-low) at 4ghz (i oc'd to 4.5 for a bit and it wasn't that much of a difference), nowhere near as close as the 300+ fps people are posting here
581
#581
0 Frags +
smesiwhitepuzzle
Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.
really?
i get around 200-210 fps in the mastercoms benchmark (with mastercoms medium-low) at 4ghz (i oc'd to 4.5 for a bit and it wasn't that much of a difference), nowhere near as close as the 300+ fps people are posting here

RAM matters a lot too for TF2. I have B-die at 4133 which allows >290 FPS in benchmark1.dem. You should OC to at least 4800 on your 8350K, which can be achieved with a fair voltage. 4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.

[quote=smesi][quote=whitepuzzle]

Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.[/quote]
really?
i get around 200-210 fps in the mastercoms benchmark (with mastercoms medium-low) at 4ghz (i oc'd to 4.5 for a bit and it wasn't that much of a difference), nowhere near as close as the 300+ fps people are posting here[/quote]

RAM matters a lot too for TF2. I have B-die at 4133 which allows >290 FPS in benchmark1.dem. You should OC to at least 4800 on your 8350K, which can be achieved with a fair voltage. 4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.
582
#582
0 Frags +
whitepuzzleNot sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.

Which one do you mean?
Moist running a stock 3600 with 3200 RAM, benching a completely different config and demo and getting 360 fps? How is that getting pounded by the 8350K?
Or do you mean mousiope's stock 3600X again with 3200 RAM, no config and highest settings getting 190 fps? I guess 300 fps is a lot more than 190, but by the same logic the 8350K is also pounding itself. Drop the RAM to 3200 (probably CL16?) run -autoconfig, crank everything up to max and see how many fps are left. There's still the overclock and different scaling with RAM but at least you'll have a better idea of what the performance difference looks like.

whitepuzzle4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.

That depends on the chip. And what you define as "excessive vcore".
I've seen 7600Ks at 5.0 with 1.25V.

[quote=whitepuzzle]
Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.[/quote]
Which one do you mean?
Moist running a stock 3600 with 3200 RAM, benching a completely different config and demo and getting 360 fps? How is that getting pounded by the 8350K?
Or do you mean mousiope's stock 3600X again with 3200 RAM, no config and highest settings getting 190 fps? I guess 300 fps is a lot more than 190, but by the same logic the 8350K is also pounding itself. Drop the RAM to 3200 (probably CL16?) run -autoconfig, crank everything up to max and see how many fps are left. There's still the overclock and different scaling with RAM but at least you'll have a better idea of what the performance difference looks like.

[quote=whitepuzzle]4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.[/quote]
That depends on the chip. And what you define as "excessive vcore".
I've seen 7600Ks at 5.0 with 1.25V.
583
#583
0 Frags +
SetsulwhitepuzzleNot sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.Which one do you mean?
Moist running a stock 3600 with 3200 RAM, benching a completely different config and demo and getting 360 fps? How is that getting pounded by the 8350K?
Or do you mean mousiope's stock 3600X again with 3200 RAM, no config and highest settings getting 190 fps? I guess 300 fps is a lot more than 190, but by the same logic the 8350K is also pounding itself. Drop the RAM to 3200 (probably CL16?) run -autoconfig, crank everything up to max and see how many fps are left. There's still the overclock and different scaling with RAM but at least you'll have a better idea of what the performance difference looks like.
whitepuzzle4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.That depends on the chip. And what you define as "excessive vcore".
I've seen 7600Ks at 5.0 with 1.25V.

Higher RAM speed is an Intel advantage in this case as even Zen 2's memory controller won't achieve as high of a RAM clock.

And with voltages I'm going off SiliconLottery's stats for how common certain clocks are.

[quote=Setsul][quote=whitepuzzle]
Not sure what you mean. My 8350K is pounding all these Zen 2 chips in TF2 performance. Unless you mean you regret not getting a much better overall chip that still has decent TF2 performance.[/quote]
Which one do you mean?
Moist running a stock 3600 with 3200 RAM, benching a completely different config and demo and getting 360 fps? How is that getting pounded by the 8350K?
Or do you mean mousiope's stock 3600X again with 3200 RAM, no config and highest settings getting 190 fps? I guess 300 fps is a lot more than 190, but by the same logic the 8350K is also pounding itself. Drop the RAM to 3200 (probably CL16?) run -autoconfig, crank everything up to max and see how many fps are left. There's still the overclock and different scaling with RAM but at least you'll have a better idea of what the performance difference looks like.

[quote=whitepuzzle]4900 and above start to require excessive vcore.[/quote]
That depends on the chip. And what you define as "excessive vcore".
I've seen 7600Ks at 5.0 with 1.25V.[/quote]

Higher RAM speed is an Intel advantage in this case as even Zen 2's memory controller won't achieve as high of a RAM clock.

And with voltages I'm going off SiliconLottery's stats for how common certain clocks are.
584
#584
2 Frags +

Not really. There's 4400+ RAM on the QVLs. It's 2:1 for the IF clock beyond 3733 though so it only benefits bandwidth, not latency.
You asked for benchmarks with 3733, so now you don't get to act like 3200 vs 4133 is a completely fair and realistic scenario.

Either way different demos and different configs so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Or did you really think that just pushing it to 5.0 and using 4133CL17 would make the 8350K >50% faster than a 3600X?
The only other results (equally unfair) are actually higher than yours. So I don't get where the "pounding all these Zen2 chips" talk is coming from.

Clocks != voltage. 4.9 is less common than 4.8, 5.0 is less common than 4.9 and so on. Big surprise. That doesn't tell you what they consider excessive vcore or if they are limited by voltages at all, not thermals.
On top of that 8350Ks that make it to 5.2 by silicon lottery's standards exist and I can absolutely guarantee that those don't need excessive vcore for 4.9. I mean they claimed 82% to 4.9, 59% to 5.0. Does that mean they always use excessive vcore? That'd be your definition then, not theirs because they obviously think that vcore was fine.

Not really. There's 4400+ RAM on the QVLs. It's 2:1 for the IF clock beyond 3733 though so it only benefits bandwidth, not latency.
You asked for benchmarks with 3733, so now you don't get to act like 3200 vs 4133 is a completely fair and realistic scenario.

Either way different demos and different configs so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Or did you really think that just pushing it to 5.0 and using 4133CL17 would make the 8350K >50% faster than a 3600X?
The only other results (equally unfair) are actually higher than yours. So I don't get where the "pounding all these Zen2 chips" talk is coming from.


Clocks != voltage. 4.9 is less common than 4.8, 5.0 is less common than 4.9 and so on. Big surprise. That doesn't tell you what they consider excessive vcore or if they are limited by voltages at all, not thermals.
On top of that 8350Ks that make it to 5.2 by silicon lottery's standards exist and I can absolutely guarantee that those don't need excessive vcore for 4.9. I mean they claimed 82% to 4.9, 59% to 5.0. Does that mean they always use excessive vcore? That'd be your definition then, not theirs because they obviously think that vcore was fine.
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#585
0 Frags +
SetsulNot really. There's 4400+ RAM on the QVLs. It's 2:1 for the IF clock beyond 3733 though so it only benefits bandwidth, not latency.
You asked for benchmarks with 3733, so now you don't get to act like 3200 vs 4133 is a completely fair and realistic scenario.

Either way different demos and different configs so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Or did you really think that just pushing it to 5.0 and using 4133CL17 would make the 8350K >50% faster than a 3600X?
The only other results (equally unfair) are actually higher than yours. So I don't get where the "pounding all these Zen2 chips" talk is coming from.

Clocks != voltage. 4.9 is less common than 4.8, 5.0 is less common than 4.9 and so on. Big surprise. That doesn't tell you what they consider excessive vcore or if they are limited by voltages at all, not thermals.
On top of that 8350Ks that make it to 5.2 by silicon lottery's standards exist and I can absolutely guarantee that those don't need excessive vcore for 4.9. I mean they claimed 82% to 4.9, 59% to 5.0. Does that mean they always use excessive vcore? That'd be your definition then, not theirs because they obviously think that vcore was fine.

Didn't realise people were using different benchmarks now, I just assumed everyone was posting benchmark1.dem results so there would be a common reference point.

And above 1.4v is excessive vcore for Coffee Lake because it's well beyond the optimal range of efficiency. Beyond 1.4v you start getting very large increase in heat generation for little improvement in clocks. Not unsafe (1.45+), but excessive.

[quote=Setsul]Not really. There's 4400+ RAM on the QVLs. It's 2:1 for the IF clock beyond 3733 though so it only benefits bandwidth, not latency.
You asked for benchmarks with 3733, so now you don't get to act like 3200 vs 4133 is a completely fair and realistic scenario.

Either way different demos and different configs so I'm not sure where you're going with this. Or did you really think that just pushing it to 5.0 and using 4133CL17 would make the 8350K >50% faster than a 3600X?
The only other results (equally unfair) are actually higher than yours. So I don't get where the "pounding all these Zen2 chips" talk is coming from.


Clocks != voltage. 4.9 is less common than 4.8, 5.0 is less common than 4.9 and so on. Big surprise. That doesn't tell you what they consider excessive vcore or if they are limited by voltages at all, not thermals.
On top of that 8350Ks that make it to 5.2 by silicon lottery's standards exist and I can absolutely guarantee that those don't need excessive vcore for 4.9. I mean they claimed 82% to 4.9, 59% to 5.0. Does that mean they always use excessive vcore? That'd be your definition then, not theirs because they obviously think that vcore was fine.[/quote]

Didn't realise people were using different benchmarks now, I just assumed everyone was posting benchmark1.dem results so there would be a common reference point.

And above 1.4v is excessive vcore for Coffee Lake because it's well beyond the optimal range of efficiency. Beyond 1.4v you start getting very large increase in heat generation for little improvement in clocks. Not unsafe (1.45+), but excessive.
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#586
2 Frags +
mousiopebefore:
after: ryzen 3600x no overclock and b350 mortar with 3200 ram
2639 frames 13.774 seconds 191.60 fps ( 5.22 ms/f) 16.238 fps variability

no config on both and graphics on the highest settings
Moistim very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
my demo
my config
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg

So the first is benchmark1.dem on highest settings.
Moist's are completely different and the fps are higher than yours.

It's beyond me how you could've looked at this, read maybe 10% of the posts, and then concluded that your 8350K is way faster.

Vcore is just your opinion. Any oc lowers efficiency. The highest efficiency is at 0.8 to 0.9V iirc.

[quote=mousiope]before:
after: ryzen 3600x no overclock and b350 mortar with 3200 ram
2639 frames 13.774 seconds 191.60 fps ( 5.22 ms/f) 16.238 fps variability

no config on both and graphics on the highest settings[/quote]

[quote=Moist]im very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
[url=https://mega.nz/#!OYdRXKZD!iVaGei2YuJUKwt-E0B_Q_7g5qCzbZ5TxYSwDPutNfys]my demo[/url]
[url=https://mega.nz/#F!LIdniAaT!v2Vn1h3Eg91OUEyhzdKajA]my config[/url]
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg[/quote]

So the first is benchmark1.dem on highest settings.
Moist's are completely different and the fps are higher than yours.

It's beyond me how you could've looked at this, read maybe 10% of the posts, and then concluded that your 8350K is way faster.


Vcore is just your opinion. Any oc lowers efficiency. The highest efficiency is at 0.8 to 0.9V iirc.
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#587
0 Frags +

Waiting on Zen 2 benchmark1 run with mastercomfig v6 medium-low (or v7 low) then. Because if it can do at least 280fps under that condition, I will surely pick up a 3700X soon.

Waiting on Zen 2 benchmark1 run with mastercomfig v6 medium-low (or v7 low) then. Because if it can do at least 280fps under that condition, I will surely pick up a 3700X soon.
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#588
3 Frags +

benchmark1 has outdated data, so it won't be fully accurate imo. We should move to a new one.

benchmark1 has outdated data, so it won't be fully accurate imo. We should move to a new one.
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#589
0 Frags +

What's the most common one people are using now?

What's the most common one people are using now?
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#590
2 Frags +

Well I have mine here: https://mega.nz/#!f8tlhDhR!nYgghqybOK15ObUykEczewB3242XHb_bJ4JP0rv1q6k
I guess some people have been using it already.

Well I have mine here: https://mega.nz/#!f8tlhDhR!nYgghqybOK15ObUykEczewB3242XHb_bJ4JP0rv1q6k
I guess some people have been using it already.
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#591
0 Frags +

4812 frames 15.901 seconds 302.62 fps ( 3.30 ms/f) 40.062 fps variability

benchmark_test.dem

4812 frames 15.901 seconds 302.62 fps ( 3.30 ms/f) 40.062 fps variability


benchmark_test.dem
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#592
5 Frags +
whitepuzzle4812 frames 15.901 seconds 302.62 fps ( 3.30 ms/f) 40.062 fps variability

benchmark_test.dem

https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/910154/tf2-benchmarks

I get like 250 fps on that demo with R5 2600, the 8350k is cool and all but nowhere close to pounding Zen 2. Also you probably spent as much on Samsung B-die ram as your CPU, so its not that impressive.

[quote=whitepuzzle]4812 frames 15.901 seconds 302.62 fps ( 3.30 ms/f) 40.062 fps variability


benchmark_test.dem[/quote]

https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/910154/tf2-benchmarks

I get like 250 fps on that demo with R5 2600, the 8350k is cool and all but nowhere close to pounding Zen 2. Also you probably spent as much on Samsung B-die ram as your CPU, so its not that impressive.
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#593
1 Frags +
whitepuzzleWaiting on Zen 2 benchmark1 run with mastercomfig v6 medium-low (or v7 low) then. Because if it can do at least 280fps under that condition, I will surely pick up a 3700X soon.

My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)

[quote=whitepuzzle]Waiting on Zen 2 benchmark1 run with mastercomfig v6 medium-low (or v7 low) then. Because if it can do at least 280fps under that condition, I will surely pick up a 3700X soon.[/quote]
My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)
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#594
0 Frags +
kamild1996_v2My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)

should be trivial to oc the mem to 3200/3400

[quote=kamild1996_v2]
My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)[/quote]
should be trivial to oc the mem to 3200/3400
595
#595
1 Frags +
Screwballkamild1996_v2My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)should be trivial to oc the mem to 3200/3400

Probably so, but given the unstable nature of B450 boards I'll leave the memory alone until a somewhat-fully stable BIOS comes out. It's good enough that the XMP profile works.

[quote=Screwball][quote=kamild1996_v2]
My 3700X arrived today, I can certainly run such a benchmark for you (on 16GB dual channel 3000 MHz CL15) and I'll post the result tomorrow :)[/quote]
should be trivial to oc the mem to 3200/3400[/quote]
Probably so, but given the unstable nature of B450 boards I'll leave the memory alone until a somewhat-fully stable BIOS comes out. It's good enough that the XMP profile works.
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#596
2 Frags +
Moistim very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
my demo
my config
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 61.774 seconds 360.28 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.332 fps variability
22256 frames 61.268 seconds 363.26 fps ( 2.75 ms/f) 35.591 fps variability
22256 frames 61.571 seconds 361.47 fps ( 2.77 ms/f) 36.034 fps variability
22256 frames 61.971 seconds 359.13 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.969 fps variability
22256 frames 61.499 seconds 361.89 fps ( 2.76 ms/f) 35.662 fps variability
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 62.134 seconds 358.19 fps ( 2.79 ms/f) 34.584 fps variability
22256 frames 62.496 seconds 356.12 fps ( 2.81 ms/f) 34.274 fps variability
22256 frames 62.768 seconds 354.58 fps ( 2.82 ms/f) 34.670 fps variability
22256 frames 62.982 seconds 353.37 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.468 fps variability
22256 frames 62.905 seconds 353.80 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.471 fps variability
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg

for reference im getting 22256 frames 83.610 seconds 266.19 fps ( 3.76 ms/f) 21.324 fps variability
with dxlevel 81 mastercoms experimental on a 2700x with maxed out PBO undervolted on a NHD15 with 3333mhz cl16 mem with that demo

[quote=Moist]im very impressed with the ryzen 5 3600, i would highly recommend
all using my own demo for a longer benchmark and this config
[url=https://mega.nz/#!OYdRXKZD!iVaGei2YuJUKwt-E0B_Q_7g5qCzbZ5TxYSwDPutNfys]my demo[/url]
[url=https://mega.nz/#F!LIdniAaT!v2Vn1h3Eg91OUEyhzdKajA]my config[/url]
memory 3200 16-18-18-34

1700x oc https://i.imgur.com/y81sP9v.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 97.592 seconds 228.05 fps ( 4.38 ms/f) 16.424 fps variability
22256 frames 98.202 seconds 226.64 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.484 fps variability
22256 frames 97.996 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.343 fps variability
22256 frames 97.998 seconds 227.11 fps ( 4.40 ms/f) 16.211 fps variability
22256 frames 98.102 seconds 226.87 fps ( 4.41 ms/f) 16.202 fps variability
227.156 fps avg 16.3328 fps var avg

1700x stock https://i.imgur.com/hdRlizM.png using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 107.969 seconds 206.13 fps ( 4.85 ms/f) 16.043 fps variability
22256 frames 107.098 seconds 207.81 fps ( 4.81 ms/f) 15.996 fps variability
22256 frames 107.405 seconds 207.22 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 14.760 fps variability
22256 frames 107.544 seconds 206.95 fps ( 4.83 ms/f) 15.082 fps variability
22256 frames 107.811 seconds 206.43 fps ( 4.84 ms/f) 14.983 fps variability
206.908 fps avg 15.3728 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using my config and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 66.053 seconds 336.94 fps ( 2.97 ms/f) 31.857 fps variability
22256 frames 65.645 seconds 339.04 fps ( 2.95 ms/f) 29.813 fps variability
22256 frames 65.957 seconds 337.43 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 30.393 fps variability
22256 frames 70.486 seconds 315.75 fps ( 3.17 ms/f) 26.188 fps variability
22256 frames 65.924 seconds 337.60 fps ( 2.96 ms/f) 29.528 fps variability
333.352 fps avg 29.5558 fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 61.774 seconds 360.28 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.332 fps variability
22256 frames 61.268 seconds 363.26 fps ( 2.75 ms/f) 35.591 fps variability
22256 frames 61.571 seconds 361.47 fps ( 2.77 ms/f) 36.034 fps variability
22256 frames 61.971 seconds 359.13 fps ( 2.78 ms/f) 35.969 fps variability
22256 frames 61.499 seconds 361.89 fps ( 2.76 ms/f) 35.662 fps variability
361.206 fps avg 35.7176‬ fps var avg

3600 stock https://i.imgur.com/Qe6ac1U.png (turboing to 4.1ghz) using mastercoms low and no -r_emulate_gl
22256 frames 62.134 seconds 358.19 fps ( 2.79 ms/f) 34.584 fps variability
22256 frames 62.496 seconds 356.12 fps ( 2.81 ms/f) 34.274 fps variability
22256 frames 62.768 seconds 354.58 fps ( 2.82 ms/f) 34.670 fps variability
22256 frames 62.982 seconds 353.37 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.468 fps variability
22256 frames 62.905 seconds 353.80 fps ( 2.83 ms/f) 34.471 fps variability
355.212‬ fps avg 34.4934‬ fps var avg[/quote]
for reference im getting 22256 frames 83.610 seconds 266.19 fps ( 3.76 ms/f) 21.324 fps variability
with dxlevel 81 mastercoms experimental on a 2700x with maxed out PBO undervolted on a NHD15 with 3333mhz cl16 mem with that demo
597
#597
2 Frags +

500 reboots later (not really, just under a hundred actually; don't do B450 boards, kids), here I am testing the 3700X. Results are in.

Setup details:
- Windows 10 1903
- GeForce driver 431.60
- GeForce Experience with replay enabled, no game optimization
- game details: mastercomfig v6 latest, 1080p, DX9, mastercomfig's launch parameters, mods: budhud, Less Distracting Explosions, mastercomfig addons (mouse tweaks, no pyroland, no soundscapes, no tutorial)
- tested with timedemo_runcount set at 3, so stuff being loaded in doesn't lower the results

Since there's a ton of data, I figured it'd be better to show it all in a table, and since TFTV doesn't have tables... Here's a Google Docs link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AGtyRBvgcpYv2T8h9bSgx9IDd8fXFES175tPrsK5hMI/edit?usp=sharing

whitepuzzle, I think you'll be happy with the results ;)

500 reboots later (not really, just under a hundred actually; don't do B450 boards, kids), here I am testing the 3700X. Results are in.

Setup details:
- Windows 10 1903
- GeForce driver 431.60
- GeForce Experience with replay enabled, no game optimization
- game details: mastercomfig v6 latest, 1080p, DX9, mastercomfig's launch parameters, mods: budhud, Less Distracting Explosions, mastercomfig addons (mouse tweaks, no pyroland, no soundscapes, no tutorial)
- tested with timedemo_runcount set at 3, so stuff being loaded in doesn't lower the results

Since there's a ton of data, I figured it'd be better to show it all in a table, and since TFTV doesn't have tables... Here's a Google Docs link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AGtyRBvgcpYv2T8h9bSgx9IDd8fXFES175tPrsK5hMI/edit?usp=sharing

[b]whitepuzzle[/b], I think you'll be happy with the results ;)
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#598
3 Frags +

ryzen 3600x with b350 board default cpu and 3200 memory
mastercomms low with no hats mod and no soundscape, pyroland, extra models etc.. dxlevel 81
with mastercomms demo benchmark_test
4812 frames 14.797 seconds 325.21 fps ( 3.07 ms/f) 70.159 fps variability

with the old benchmark1 demo from this thread
2639 frames 9.398 seconds 280.81 fps ( 3.56 ms/f) 26.269 fps variability

ryzen 3600x with b350 board default cpu and 3200 memory
mastercomms low with no hats mod and no soundscape, pyroland, extra models etc.. dxlevel 81
with mastercomms demo benchmark_test
4812 frames 14.797 seconds 325.21 fps ( 3.07 ms/f) 70.159 fps variability

with the old benchmark1 demo from this thread
2639 frames 9.398 seconds 280.81 fps ( 3.56 ms/f) 26.269 fps variability
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#599
0 Frags +
kamild1996_v2 ...

Is this dx8 or dx9?

[quote=kamild1996_v2] ... [/quote]

Is this dx8 or dx9?
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#600
0 Frags +
crib_kamild1996_v2 ...
Is this dx8 or dx9?

DX9, launch parameters exact same from the mastercomfig's github page.

[quote=crib_][quote=kamild1996_v2] ... [/quote]

Is this dx8 or dx9?[/quote]
DX9, launch parameters exact same from the mastercomfig's github page.
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