This is a matter for the incisive probing of Salamancer on Fully Charged.

Wills you're literally reaching Lord_Droll status. Please stop.

http://teamfortress.tv/forum/thread/1823/1

and lets not forget that UGC will allow moose to play next season.
thats the big kicker here

Doesn't UGC have policies for banning people who have been VAC'd for cheating? Both ETF2L and Ozfortress have mandatory ban policies for people who have been VAC'd.

who knows, ugc isn't very transparent

When I saw this thread I wanted to read all of the drama in the ugc forum.

Upon checking - somehow, there's not a single post about it? Are they the north korea of gaming leagues? An admin being vac banned would be all over the forums of any league I've ever played in.

except i can't because -every- post about it has been deleted and there's 0 indication that a thread about it will be any different. there were not just posts in hein's thread, you know.

Problem is they set their own precedent when they banned marisa... so based on that, moose should also be banned. I believe marisa's team was punished as well, and marisa was never VAC banned (at least I don't think). I wholly expect Moose to be banned from UGC for at least a season, if not permanently. False positive or not, a VAC ban is a VAC ban and should be treated with a zero tolerance policy.

http://www.ugcleague.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414
hopefully this thread doesnt get deleted/locked

hhahaha

I don't understand what UGC's deal with rampantly deleting threads is.

Pretty much any time something involving an admin comes up, threads are deleted with no notice. Not even sure if they lock threads anymore @_@

Well I hadn't checked.
I just assumed everyone who wanted to go drama-queen on it came here to yell at me instead XD haha

Whatever, I guess it will all come out in the wash.
I do appreciate people going through all the old threads I've posted in/made to downfrag me though, that's pretty thoughtful!

And just so it's clear, Moose is not playing in UGC, regardless of him being allowed to.

don't worry guys he's probably innocent, just like hoegie, ametrine,bambam and beat

I know you're fucking retarded because you're a heavy main in UGC, but could you not unironically use XD here because it makes my eyes bleed.

holy shit do you really think this

Why is is this retard still allowed on the forums?

you really don't know when to stop do you wills?

you just reiterate the same nonsensical argument with smiley faces
i guess with your logic, lance armstrong never did drugs cause he's famous and shit

we need UGCLeaks to get on dis case

that lasted 30 minutes

hahah thread on UGC locked

At least they (barely) acknowledged the issue and locked instead of burning it, and then burning the ashes.

Progress!

RIP UGC thread

And the thread got locked already, hopefully people keep talking about it if just to show that locking threads won't stop people from thinking the same about UGC

Oil, you're not a very nice guy, you know that?
I trusted Lance when he said he didn't dope. I was more than disappointed when I found out he lied. Now I will never trust him again.
Moose has never lied to me, and until I find out he has, I trust him.

But I'm surprised to see it took this long to get to personal insults against my character and intelligence, never mind playing ability!

That's because you reiterate the same points over and over, ignoring any counterpoints. At some point you have to wonder if the person you're arguing with is retarded.

its so fun when the admins play dumb to get away with shit

like taking downpour's thread so literally that as soon as an admin shows up and says "yeah, we know about it" the discussion is over

plus the fact that they decided to lock it rather than delete it to save face

how fun

im surprised it took this long for you to find out?

i trusted you when you said you had better arguments, i was more than disappointed when i found out you lied. Now i will never have a logical argument with you again.

It's because I only have one point :)
And while the counter-points may indeed range from "All hackers lie" to "Wills is retarded", none of them have really "proven" anything. As I said about 100 posts ago, we really don't know what happened so we'll have to wait and see!
Neither side has proof; you have a VAC ban and speculation, I have trust and a man's word.

Look, if you want to trust someone for very meager reasons other then them saying they didn't do it, feel free to. However, stop acting like everyone else should be as trusting as you are and stop acting like we're monsters for thinking that the VAC ban is probably legitimate. To be more specific, please stop saying stuff like:

not sure id want transparency in a league where a majority of players are casual. DL used to deal with those kinds of guys on the steam forums all the time, it had no effect.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqnunuTrxn1qkjbavo1_500.jpg