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RGL scheduling (i got questions)
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newbie.tf
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https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=6604&r=40

this is the team i'm coaching for the newbie team drive this season. they're pretty great guys and have obviously worked really hard to go straight into amateur as a newbie team.

why are they (at 2 seed) matched up against the 14th seed?

all while the no 1 seed is matched up against the 7th seed?

it seems to me that if the no 1 & 2 seed haven't played each other yet... that's a match that should definitely happen, right?

is this the result of some automated system? if it is, what's up with it?

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unrelated: why have they been the away team every single game of this season? if the home/away is truly randomized, it shouldn't be because a few teams will get messed up for it every time, assuming they have server preferences

i know there is probably a totally rational answer to a lot of these questions, and i'm not asking them from a place of malice. it just seems super bizarre. i haven't played in rgl, so i can't give my newbies the answers to these questions that i'd like to

https://rgl.gg/Public/Team.aspx?t=6604&r=40

this is the team i'm coaching for the newbie team drive this season. they're pretty great guys and have obviously worked really hard to go straight into amateur as a newbie team.

why are they (at 2 seed) matched up against the 14th seed?

all while the no 1 seed is matched up against the 7th seed?

it seems to me that if the no 1 & 2 seed haven't played each other yet... that's a match that should definitely happen, right?

is this the result of some automated system? if it is, what's up with it?

[spoiler]unrelated: why have they been the away team every single game of this season? if the home/away is truly randomized, it shouldn't be because a few teams will get messed up for it every time, assuming they have server preferences[/spoiler]

i know there is probably a totally rational answer to a lot of these questions, and i'm not asking them from a place of malice. it just seems super bizarre. i haven't played in rgl, so i can't give my newbies the answers to these questions that i'd like to
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#2
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KevinIsPwnunrelated: why have they been the away team every single game of this season? if the home/away is truly randomized, it shouldn't be because a few teams will get messed up for it every time, assuming they have server preferences

Noticing this in Main too, couple examples.
My team, 7-5, (after finding a server to use for the season at Week 3..):

https://puu.sh/G4FwB/9165f1bd75.png

The team we're playing tonight, 8-4:

https://puu.sh/G4Fz0/7e0fbef8f9.png

[quote=KevinIsPwn]unrelated: why have they been the away team every single game of this season? if the home/away is truly randomized, it shouldn't be because a few teams will get messed up for it every time, assuming they have server preferences[/quote]
Noticing this in Main too, couple examples.
My team, 7-5, (after finding a server to use for the season at Week 3..):[img]https://puu.sh/G4FwB/9165f1bd75.png[/img]
The team we're playing tonight, 8-4: [img]https://puu.sh/G4Fz0/7e0fbef8f9.png[/img]
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#3
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This puzzled me too, so I dug into it a bit. Currently, the 6s team uses Challonge on the backend for matchmaking, which has been performing poorly. In this case, the amateur bracket broke on the Challonge site and failed to generate half of the matches for week 6. As part of repairing this, it looks like '6 out of 7' was recorded as having a 4-2 record instead of being 5-1. Hawko, the amateur admin, should be reaching out to the team about fixing it.

While challonge has been fine for the RR divisions, it has caused a number of problems including this one in our swiss divisions, so one of our highest priorities for season 4 is creating a matchmaking system built in to the site. This will ensure that the matches always match the records displayed on the league table and are generally way more consistent (in addition to freeing up admin time to focus on more important things like league improvements).

The home/away thing is a similar issue - challonge chooses home and away based on its voodoo matchmaking stuff, which often results in one team almost always being the same. The new system will likely either choose home team by which team has the higher seed or which team has been the home team less that season to keep stuff as fair as possible.

In the future, this sort of issue would be best brought up with your division admin directly, or through the RGL discord help channel. This will get you the fastest response, and makes it much easier for us to diagnose and resolve problems quickly. Also feel free to message me personally at DubThink#3877 about any issues like this- I feel strongly about making our system (and RGL as a whole) the best it can, and recognize that there are things that should and will be improved upon.

This puzzled me too, so I dug into it a bit. Currently, the 6s team uses Challonge on the backend for matchmaking, which has been performing poorly. In this case, the amateur bracket broke on the Challonge site and failed to generate half of the matches for week 6. As part of repairing this, it looks like '6 out of 7' was recorded as having a 4-2 record instead of being 5-1. Hawko, the amateur admin, should be reaching out to the team about fixing it.

While challonge has been fine for the RR divisions, it has caused a number of problems including this one in our swiss divisions, so one of our highest priorities for season 4 is creating a matchmaking system built in to the site. This will ensure that the matches always match the records displayed on the league table and are generally way more consistent (in addition to freeing up admin time to focus on more important things like league improvements).

The home/away thing is a similar issue - challonge chooses home and away based on its voodoo matchmaking stuff, which often results in one team almost always being the same. The new system will likely either choose home team by which team has the higher seed or which team has been the home team less that season to keep stuff as fair as possible.

In the future, this sort of issue would be best brought up with your division admin directly, or through the [url=https://discord.gg/3hJsWu7]RGL discord[/url] help channel. This will get you the fastest response, and makes it much easier for us to diagnose and resolve problems quickly. Also feel free to message me personally at DubThink#3877 about any issues like this- I feel strongly about making our system (and RGL as a whole) the best it can, and recognize that there are things that should and will be improved upon.
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#4
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hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv

hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv
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#5
newbie.tf
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denisbit13hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv

i'm not playing in the league i was just curious. i said that in my post

[quote=denisbit13]hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv[/quote]
i'm not playing in the league i was just curious. i said that in my post
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#6
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KevinIsPwn

im on to you and your upfrag farming ways, mr ispwn

[quote=KevinIsPwn][/quote]
im on to you and your upfrag farming ways, mr ispwn
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#7
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denisbit13hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv

https://i.giphy.com/media/VDSShKd4fqyadrCX6q/giphy.webp

[quote=denisbit13]hmmm maybe ask admins xD instead of posting for upfrags on tftv[/quote]

[img]https://i.giphy.com/media/VDSShKd4fqyadrCX6q/giphy.webp[/img]
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#8
newbie.tf
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denisbit13<pointlessly cruel, mod-deleted comment>

idk why i would find and contact an admin of a league i literally dont play in instead of just asking the question on the forums, where there are tons of people (including admins) who can answer my question

pls stop projecting your attention craving on me. not everyone is you

[quote=denisbit13]<pointlessly cruel, mod-deleted comment>[/quote]
idk why i would find and contact an admin of a league i literally dont play in instead of just asking the question on the forums, where there are tons of people (including admins) who can answer my question

pls stop projecting your attention craving on me. not everyone is you
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#9
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The seeds/rankings for most of the matches in amateur have been really weird IMO. Sometimes it feels like theres just hands down worse playing teams mid table or higher because they keep feeding on the bottom quarter rather than fighting those in close seeding (or ESEA/ugc's closest approximation. Don't believe I ever saw any eyebrow raisers during my time in them).And the inverse is happening higher up the div too, some teams are fucked into mid table yet still playing top10ish teams and keep sinking through the rankings.

Am I misunderstanding how the swiss system is supposed to work or is that just going back to challonges weird mm?

The seeds/rankings for most of the matches in amateur have been really weird IMO. Sometimes it feels like theres just hands down worse playing teams mid table or higher because they keep feeding on the bottom quarter rather than fighting those in close seeding (or ESEA/ugc's closest approximation. Don't believe I ever saw any eyebrow raisers during my time in them).And the inverse is happening higher up the div too, some teams are fucked into mid table yet still playing top10ish teams and keep sinking through the rankings.

Am I misunderstanding how the swiss system is supposed to work or is that just going back to challonges weird mm?
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#10
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kevinispwn chasing the elusive fifth nerdstar

kevinispwn chasing the elusive fifth nerdstar
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