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ETF2L ban crouch peaking as sniper
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#1
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http://etf2l.org/2020/03/22/highlander-season-21-powered-by-mannco-store-scheduling-update-and-more/

etf2lWe’re adding the crouching sniper player model bug to the list of of banned exploits.etf2lExamples of banned exploits:
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Crouching sniper player model

They're passing crouch peaking as sniper as a bug because the hitboxes are unfavourable to countersnipers. I don't think its reasonable at all to call peaking a corner as sniper while crouching a bug or an exploit. I'd really like to hear an explanation as to why admins decided to ban peaking a corner while crouched as sniper.

http://etf2l.org/2020/03/22/highlander-season-21-powered-by-mannco-store-scheduling-update-and-more/
[quote=etf2l]
We’re adding the crouching sniper player model bug to the list of of banned exploits.
[/quote]

[quote=etf2l]
Examples of banned exploits:
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Crouching sniper player model
[/quote]

They're passing crouch peaking as sniper as a bug because the hitboxes are unfavourable to countersnipers. I don't think its reasonable at all to call peaking a corner as sniper while crouching a bug or an exploit. I'd really like to hear an explanation as to why admins decided to ban peaking a corner while crouched as sniper.
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#2
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ban head glitching and spamming voice lines to block your head!!!!!!

ban head glitching and spamming voice lines to block your head!!!!!!
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#3
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did this in a match by accident, oh well no point arguing a 6 month ban i suppose

did this in a match by accident, oh well no point arguing a 6 month ban i suppose
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#4
20 Frags +

is there a more extensive resource on what this bug is exactly? I've not heard of it.

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Is crouching + moving around all that is needed for this hitbox thing? Because I've been doing that for years and people have been doing that to me for years
Am I just misunderstanding? It's seperated on the exploit list from "Bugging player model animations" so it's not the hitbox being off

If I'm not misinterpreting the bug then I don't really get that because I never had any hitbox issues headshotting people like that. I've always considered it a way of throwing off people who only know how to move a crosshair horizontally at non-crouch head height. Might as well ban any spy disguise that isn't "enemy spy" because the spy hitboxes don't align with the disguise model for everything else

Also in general can we actually know what these exploits are? How is a newer player supposed to even know what shit like quantum crouching is and what "Crouching sniper player model" means? How do we interpret that? Crouching is no longer allowed as sniper? If you get a kill whilst crouching it's bug abuse or even if you crouch for a couple seconds? If a spy tries to pistol me and I try to throw him off by spinning in circles and spam crouching am I breaking a rule because this can be interpreted as making my hitbox wonky to hit? Please explain

edit: was linked this VOD which shows an example at the timestamp. spoilered part of my comment because that part is irrelevant after watching the VOD https://www.twitch.tv/videos/549407920?t=03h01m26s
edit2: clip version https://clips.twitch.tv/HungrySpookyThymeLitFam

is there a more extensive resource on what this bug is exactly? I've not heard of it.
[spoiler][s]Is crouching + moving around all that is needed for this hitbox thing? Because I've been doing that for years and people have been doing that to me for years
Am I just misunderstanding? It's seperated on the exploit list from "Bugging player model animations" so it's not the hitbox being off

If I'm not misinterpreting the bug then I don't really get that because I never had any hitbox issues headshotting people like that. I've always considered it a way of throwing off people who only know how to move a crosshair horizontally at non-crouch head height. Might as well ban any spy disguise that isn't "enemy spy" because the spy hitboxes don't align with the disguise model for everything else[/s][/spoiler]

Also in general can we actually know what these exploits are? How is a newer player supposed to even know what shit like quantum crouching is and what "Crouching sniper player model" means? How do we interpret that? Crouching is no longer allowed as sniper? If you get a kill whilst crouching it's bug abuse or even if you crouch for a couple seconds? If a spy tries to pistol me and I try to throw him off by spinning in circles and spam crouching am I breaking a rule because this can be interpreted as making my hitbox wonky to hit? Please explain

edit: was linked this VOD which shows an example at the timestamp. spoilered part of my comment because that part is irrelevant after watching the VOD https://www.twitch.tv/videos/549407920?t=03h01m26s
edit2: clip version https://clips.twitch.tv/HungrySpookyThymeLitFam
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#5
40 Frags +

tfw you crouch while peeking into gully last through main so you can see heads and you get banned
ye took away me football
ye took away me pubs
ye took away me socialization
ye took away me wallbugs
you will NOT take away my crouching
simple as

tfw you crouch while peeking into gully last through main so you can see heads and you get banned
ye took away me football
ye took away me pubs
ye took away me socialization
ye took away me wallbugs
you will NOT take away my crouching
simple as
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#6
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they have not properly explained what exactly you would class as bannable… how can you tell when someone would intentionally be doing it or accidentally
like crouching window to see tracks will be bannable even though its literally impossible not to?

they have not properly explained what exactly you would class as bannable… how can you tell when someone would intentionally be doing it or accidentally
like crouching window to see tracks will be bannable even though its literally impossible not to?
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#7
28 Frags +

I've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao

I've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao
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#8
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DONT CAER

DONT CAER
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#9
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SpaceGhostsCoffeeI've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao

I think you have and just don't know what they're referring to. I think it's the thing where you crouch at eg china on product and because of the way the sniper leans while crouching his head is behind the metal sheets but he can still see everything normally. it's super obnoxious to play against but I don't really agree with banning it just because enforcing it would be a pain in the ass.

iirc fallen lord one of the goblin tier invite snipers (probably sei or aeon) would do this every time i played him on product

[quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee]I've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao[/quote]
I think you have and just don't know what they're referring to. I think it's the thing where you crouch at eg china on product and because of the way the sniper leans while crouching his head is behind the metal sheets but he can still see everything normally. it's super obnoxious to play against but I don't really agree with banning it just because enforcing it would be a pain in the ass.

iirc [s]fallen lord[/s] one of the goblin tier invite snipers (probably sei or aeon) would do this every time i played him on product
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#10
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we should ban sniper

thank u

we should ban sniper

thank u
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#11
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SpaceGhostsCoffeeI've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao

spaceghost has more hours on sniper than ive been alive for if he says its not real then its not real

[quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee]I've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao[/quote]

spaceghost has more hours on sniper than ive been alive for if he says its not real then its not real
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plusProtonSpaceGhostsCoffeeI've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmaoI think you have and just don't know what they're referring to. I think it's the thing where you crouch at eg china on product and because of the way the sniper leans while crouching his head is behind the metal sheets but he can still see everything normally. it's super obnoxious to play against but I don't really agree with banning it just because enforcing it would be a pain in the ass.

iirc fallen lord one of the goblin tier invite snipers would do this every time i played him on product

was probably rain or aeon, we have never played product against each other very much. I also do it accidentally because its easy to headglitch if you crouch peek a corner on maps like upward

some people know how to do the crouch peekfrom both the left and the right side corners but idk how to do it on purpose,
Its hard to counter snipe *if you dont know where to shoot for the headshot*- https://puu.sh/Fovmk/376138ea04.png -from spaceghost's stream. You have to shoot in between the head/neck and shoulder area (the blood stain will be on the shoulder)

but one 35 damage projectile/hitscan + a 150 damage bodyshot can displace them/kill them

also I agree with banning sniper please force me to play a real class so I can not suck

[quote=plusProton][quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee]I've never heard of nor encountered this exploit in my life what are they talking about lmao[/quote]
I think you have and just don't know what they're referring to. I think it's the thing where you crouch at eg china on product and because of the way the sniper leans while crouching his head is behind the metal sheets but he can still see everything normally. it's super obnoxious to play against but I don't really agree with banning it just because enforcing it would be a pain in the ass.

iirc [s]fallen lord[/s] one of the goblin tier invite snipers would do this every time i played him on product[/quote]


was probably rain or aeon, we have never played product against each other very much. I also do it accidentally because its easy to headglitch if you crouch peek a corner on maps like upward

some people know how to do the crouch peekfrom both the left and the right side corners but idk how to do it on purpose,
Its hard to counter snipe *if you dont know where to shoot for the headshot*- https://puu.sh/Fovmk/376138ea04.png -from spaceghost's stream. You have to shoot in between the head/neck and shoulder area (the blood stain will be on the shoulder)

but one 35 damage projectile/hitscan + a 150 damage bodyshot can displace them/kill them

also I agree with banning sniper please force me to play a real class so I can not suck
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#13
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ban highlander

ban highlander
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#14
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Fallen_LordplusProton

there's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.

[quote=Fallen_Lord][quote=plusProton][/quote][/quote]
there's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.
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#15
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SpaceGhostsCoffeeFallen_LordplusProtonthere's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.

yeah agreed banning it is pretty silly. I never actually experimented with it but at the very least you couldn't see their head at all so I would always just body shot someone doing it.

[quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee][quote=Fallen_Lord][quote=plusProton][/quote][/quote]
there's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.[/quote]
yeah agreed banning it is pretty silly. I never actually experimented with it but at the very least you couldn't see their head at all so I would always just body shot someone doing it.
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#16
47 Frags +

cool, can we ban spies killing snipers while were at it? sniper v spy is pretty unfavorable to the sniper

cool, can we ban spies killing snipers while were at it? sniper v spy is pretty unfavorable to the sniper
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#17
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plusProtonSpaceGhostsCoffeeFallen_LordplusProtonthere's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.yeah agreed banning it is pretty silly. I never actually experimented with it but at the very least you couldn't see their head at all so I would always just body shot someone doing it.

yeah theres no way to ban it without just banning crouching entirely, it happens on accident even if people dont realize it

[quote=plusProton][quote=SpaceGhostsCoffee][quote=Fallen_Lord][quote=plusProton][/quote][/quote]
there's a chance i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure even though you can't see their head you can still headshot them in the scenario you're speaking about. The headshot hitbox for sniper is gigantic and if you can see their arms/legs you can nearly always headshot them even though you can't see the model for their head quite yet. It's super counterable and i think banning it is questionable at best.[/quote]
yeah agreed banning it is pretty silly. I never actually experimented with it but at the very least you couldn't see their head at all so I would always just body shot someone doing it.[/quote]


yeah theres no way to ban it without just banning crouching entirely, it happens on accident even if people dont realize it
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#18
26 Frags +

absolutely shocked 4 people from the same etf2l team would post on this thread defending it, when their sniper uses it super often

absolutely shocked 4 people from the same etf2l team would post on this thread defending it, when their sniper uses it super often
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#19
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etf2l is the new ugc

etf2l is the new ugc
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#20
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cenoetf2l is the new ugc
[quote=ceno]etf2l is the new ugc[/quote]
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#21
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cenoetf2l is the new ugc
[quote=ceno]etf2l is the new ugc[/quote]
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#23
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Nicholasthis what it look like btw: https://gfycat.com/glamorousbigheartedbilby

yeah this is exactly it, space and I tested this on product just now and at least on china there is a SUPER tight angle to counter this and headshot them, but its super aids to play against cause you wont have time to sit there to find the exact pixel to counter it in a real game

space will post his screenshots soon

[quote=Nicholas]this what it look like btw: https://gfycat.com/glamorousbigheartedbilby[/quote]

yeah this is exactly it, space and I tested this on product just now and at least on china there is a SUPER tight angle to counter this and headshot them, but its super aids to play against cause you wont have time to sit there to find the exact pixel to counter it in a real game

space will post his screenshots soon
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#24
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cenoetf2l is the new ugc
[quote=ceno]etf2l is the new ugc[/quote]
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#25
7 Frags +

if someone takes the time to line up a crouch bug peek and is obviously like camping/holding with it then punishment should be enforced.

Often to avoid getting headshot when peeking, when you know the sniper is holding an angle, some snipers will try to duck to mess up the other sniper because the sniper will obviously place their crosshair at head level.

If this rule is going to be enforced it should really only be enforced on players who camp/hold angles with this bug. otherwise if players are being punished left and right it will be doing more harm then good.

if someone takes the time to line up a crouch bug peek and is obviously like camping/holding with it then punishment should be enforced.

Often to avoid getting headshot when peeking, when you know the sniper is holding an angle, some snipers will try to duck to mess up the other sniper because the sniper will obviously place their crosshair at head level.

If this rule is going to be enforced it should really only be enforced on players who camp/hold angles with this bug. otherwise if players are being punished left and right it will be doing more harm then good.
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#26
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dempseyabsolutely shocked 4 people from the same etf2l team would post on this thread defending it, when their sniper uses it super often
[quote=dempsey]absolutely shocked 4 people from the same etf2l team would post on this thread defending it, when their sniper uses it super often[/quote]
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#27
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they never even looked into it because they would realise its not as broken as it looks, you can still be headshot or simply bodied.
This has been a thing for years and years, NA snipers know more about these cause of Snipezilla tricks which were never enforced on UGC.
Because Snipezilla is dead and was never really a thing in EU most these top prem snipers have never actually seen cornersniping before.

they never even looked into it because they would realise its not as broken as it looks, you can still be headshot or simply bodied.
This has been a thing for years and years, NA snipers know more about these cause of Snipezilla tricks which were never enforced on UGC.
Because Snipezilla is dead and was never really a thing in EU most these top prem snipers have never actually seen cornersniping before.
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#28
29 Frags +

From some brief tests:
This is what it looks like from the pov of the sniper doing the bug: https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyIcyCakeHeyGirl
These two are the one angle i found that you can headshot them while doing it:
https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorThoughtfulRaccoonArsonNoSexy
https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingGrotesqueTigerNinjaGrumpy

I think this is a map issue, not a sniper crouch bug issue, but it seems the clipping on the metal sheets on product aren't great, we found out you can headshot people through them depending on the angle: https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulInexpensiveQuailPastaThat

I don't think it necessarily should be banned but it's extremely difficult to actually headshot a person doing this in a scrim/match setting

From some brief tests:
This is what it looks like from the pov of the sniper doing the bug: https://clips.twitch.tv/SmellyIcyCakeHeyGirl
These two are the one angle i found that you can headshot them while doing it:
https://clips.twitch.tv/PoorThoughtfulRaccoonArsonNoSexy
https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingGrotesqueTigerNinjaGrumpy

I think this is a map issue, not a sniper crouch bug issue, but it seems the clipping on the metal sheets on product aren't great, we found out you can headshot people through them depending on the angle: https://clips.twitch.tv/RespectfulInexpensiveQuailPastaThat

I don't think it necessarily should be banned but it's extremely difficult to actually headshot a person doing this in a scrim/match setting
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#29
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DaFuQWiZaTthey never even looked into it because they would realise its not as broken as it looks, you can still be headshot or simply bodied.

https://youtu.be/pxCZGlXSCRg?t=209

tried it out countless of times and unless it's done wrong you never really get headshotted, best you can get is a full-body on the base of the shoulder or actually hit the single pixel of the head hitbox that gets exposed for a split second, though on an actual game hitting it is practically impossible

[quote=DaFuQWiZaT]they never even looked into it because they would realise its not as broken as it looks, you can still be headshot or simply bodied. [/quote]

https://youtu.be/pxCZGlXSCRg?t=209

tried it out countless of times and unless it's done wrong you never really get headshotted, best you can get is a full-body on the base of the shoulder or actually hit the single pixel of the head hitbox that gets exposed for a split second, though on an actual game hitting it is practically impossible
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#30
-27 Frags +

"they cannot see your head at all, but still have a slight chance to shoot it"

"they cannot see your head at all, but still have a slight chance to shoot it"
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