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Who does not use Iron Bomber
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#31
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gemmhamahamexplain this. https://streamable.com/rx3u2
(to replicate this, either restore or put name/desc/killstreak kit on ironbomber while outside of spawn)

has anyone tested whether the projectile arc behaves more like iron bomber or pipes with that? i'd wager the former, and it literally doesn't matter in practice but it'd be interesting to know
Twiggy...the booties, as not running them put one at a direct hp disadvantage.
not strictly true, as the booties currently ONLY have that hp bonus (unless you equip a shield) and they're completely unused

oh yeah i forgot the speed buff

indecencyiodineIndecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it

thats the point of the discussion too, doughy said valid stuff about lnl and GL on sunshine, so where do you find GL to be better, or do you not feel any difference?
For me the ability to put rollers precisely in a chokepoint from miles away to deny a push is valuable, because i can either hit the direct, or be sure the roller's gonna hit, which is not (always) the case with GL.

ComangliaZestyBefore people get into theorycrafting about grenades having a 'more inconsistent projectile path because of tumble'. Here's a quote from the sigsegv video that everyone got that information from:

"Somewhat surprisingly, there is little difference between stock and the Iron Bomber despite the latter having roughly spherical projectiles instead of pill-shaped ones".

The rollers are the reason people use it.

It's definitely a little bit of everything, but I have a feeling you're missunderstanding sigsegv. The Iron Bomber and Grenade Launcher on average go the same distance before exploding (assuming they never touch the ground) and go the same speed, BUT Iron Bomber variates a LOT less and you can see it in that video. The maximum distance the ironbomber goes is less the minimum distance is higher, the amount the ironbomber deviates from center either left or right is also lower now it's not by a whole lot but it still matters.

Combine the lower variation in the iron bomber with less roll giving demomen better ability to deny a specific area that isn't directly next to a wall and have a shorter fuse making timing WAY easier and it becomes a distinctly better choice. It's just icing on the cake that the iron bomber projectile overall is just way darker than the stock projectile so it's harder to see if you're looking directly at a demo or dark back grounds. I'm also pretty sure that the Iron Bomber fire animation is way less noticeable than the stock grenade launcher.

the range of the two weapons isn't the same due to the shorter fuse of the IB, but theres not a lot of spam angles that make use of this advantage the GL has IMO.

[quote=gemm][quote=hamaham]explain this. https://streamable.com/rx3u2
(to replicate this, either restore or put name/desc/killstreak kit on ironbomber while outside of spawn)[/quote]

has anyone tested whether the projectile arc behaves more like iron bomber or pipes with that? i'd wager the former, and it literally doesn't matter in practice but it'd be interesting to know

[quote=Twiggy]...the booties, as not running them put one at a direct hp disadvantage.[/quote]

not strictly true, as the booties currently ONLY have that hp bonus (unless you equip a shield) and they're completely unused[/quote]
oh yeah i forgot the speed buff


[quote=indecency][quote=iodine]Indecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.[/quote]

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it[/quote]
thats the point of the discussion too, doughy said valid stuff about lnl and GL on sunshine, so where do you find GL to be better, or do you not feel any difference?
For me the ability to put rollers precisely in a chokepoint from miles away to deny a push is valuable, because i can either hit the direct, or be sure the roller's gonna hit, which is not (always) the case with GL.

[quote=Comanglia][quote=Zesty]Before people get into theorycrafting about grenades having a 'more inconsistent projectile path because of tumble'. Here's a quote from the sigsegv video that everyone got that information from:

"Somewhat surprisingly, there is little difference between stock and the Iron Bomber despite the latter having roughly spherical projectiles instead of pill-shaped ones".

The rollers are the reason people use it.[/quote]

It's definitely a little bit of everything, but I have a feeling you're missunderstanding sigsegv. The Iron Bomber and Grenade Launcher on average go the same distance before exploding (assuming they never touch the ground) and go the same speed, BUT Iron Bomber variates a LOT less and you can see it in that video. The maximum distance the ironbomber goes is less the minimum distance is higher, the amount the ironbomber deviates from center either left or right is also lower now it's not by a whole lot but it still matters.

Combine the lower variation in the iron bomber with less roll giving demomen better ability to deny a specific area that isn't directly next to a wall and have a shorter fuse making timing WAY easier and it becomes a distinctly better choice. It's just icing on the cake that the iron bomber projectile overall is just way darker than the stock projectile so it's harder to see if you're looking directly at a demo or dark back grounds. I'm also pretty sure that the Iron Bomber fire animation is way less noticeable than the stock grenade launcher.[/quote]
the range of the two weapons isn't the same due to the shorter fuse of the IB, but theres not a lot of spam angles that make use of this advantage the GL has IMO.
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#32
39 Frags +

you can hit longer airshots with stock so if you're not running it then you're denying yourself frag video potential and that's what really matters

you can hit longer airshots with stock so if you're not running it then you're denying yourself frag video potential and that's what really matters
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#33
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TwiggyindecencyiodineIndecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it
thats the point of the discussion too, doughy said valid stuff about lnl and GL on sunshine, so where do you find GL to be better, or do you not feel any difference?
For me the ability to put rollers precisely in a chokepoint from miles away to deny a push is valuable, because i can either hit the direct, or be sure the roller's gonna hit, which is not (always) the case with GL.

little to no difference, plus being able to bank rollers off walls into chokes is cool too ie. holding process 2nd and hitting the wall of choke or shooting over the wall

[quote=Twiggy]

[quote=indecency][quote=iodine]Indecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.[/quote]

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it[/quote]
thats the point of the discussion too, doughy said valid stuff about lnl and GL on sunshine, so where do you find GL to be better, or do you not feel any difference?
For me the ability to put rollers precisely in a chokepoint from miles away to deny a push is valuable, because i can either hit the direct, or be sure the roller's gonna hit, which is not (always) the case with GL.

[/quote]

little to no difference, plus being able to bank rollers off walls into chokes is cool too ie. holding process 2nd and hitting the wall of choke or shooting over the wall
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#34
-34 Frags +

iron bomber = chads
stock = virgins

iron bomber = chads
stock = virgins
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#35
27 Frags +
Cyaniciron bomber = chads
stock = virgins

Cyanic no :(

[quote=Cyanic]iron bomber = chads
stock = virgins[/quote]

Cyanic no :(
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#36
2 Frags +
indecencyiodineIndecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it

I just used iron bomber for fun, and when i noticed that i was hitting a shit more pipes, i just switched. Later, i saw a fuck ton of pros use it as well.

[quote=indecency][quote=iodine]Indecency doesn't use it, but idk why

Also, loose cannon is scary good when you practice using it in different ranges.[/quote]

complete preference to use stock and iron bomber imo

plus everyone seems to not be able to form their own opinion or their own mind and just regurgitate whatever invite players and people high up think and magically think stock somehow is worse than iron bomber, dunno where that came from, theres been so many times i can just tell from people's tone of voice that im a disadvantage just for even using stock but they dont say it[/quote]

I just used iron bomber for fun, and when i noticed that i was hitting a shit more pipes, i just switched. Later, i saw a fuck ton of pros use it as well.
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#37
-21 Frags +
AubriacCyaniciron bomber = chads
stock = virgins

Cyanic no :(

u are the exception

[quote=Aubriac][quote=Cyanic]iron bomber = chads
stock = virgins[/quote]

Cyanic no :([/quote]

u are the exception
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#38
4 Frags +

process rollout to choke is pretty nice with stock, same with some other weird angles, however the far increased likelihood that missed rollers hit with iron bomber in normal fights as well as the slightly (potentially slightly placebo induced) increased direct likelihood with IB make it more desirable normally and also most of the time I just cba to switch because I forgot yaknow

process rollout to choke is pretty nice with stock, same with some other weird angles, however the far increased likelihood that missed rollers hit with iron bomber in normal fights as well as the slightly (potentially slightly placebo induced) increased direct likelihood with IB make it more desirable normally and also most of the time I just cba to switch because I forgot yaknow
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#39
2 Frags +

sunshine mid to 2nd spam is pretty good with stock. map dependent for me

sunshine mid to 2nd spam is pretty good with stock. map dependent for me
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#40
-8 Frags +

Don't ban Iron Bomber my peoples have gone through enough hardship as it is.

For real though it very much is a sidegrade, a very strong one but yeah. Process and Sunshine come to mind most as Eemes, Hellbent and Doughy have pointed out, but even still I think stock grenades are also good on Gully mid. Others have also brought up Loch n Load, which I think is super strong to run to certain mids. Loose Cannon is really good on some lasts.

I'd say Iron Bomber definitely makes stuff more fun/easier for the Demo, for example jumping up to spire without detting your trap in main on Badlands 2nd. This is probably why a lot of people just leave it on without swapping weapons around too much, which is fair.

- Dr. Mak, PhD in Iron Bombing, leader of the Iron Bomber Research Facility

Don't ban Iron Bomber my peoples have gone through enough hardship as it is.

For real though it very much is a sidegrade, a very strong one but yeah. Process and Sunshine come to mind most as Eemes, Hellbent and Doughy have pointed out, but even still I think stock grenades are also good on Gully mid. Others have also brought up Loch n Load, which I think is super strong to run to certain mids. Loose Cannon is really good on some lasts.

I'd say Iron Bomber definitely makes stuff more fun/easier for the Demo, for example jumping up to spire without detting your trap in main on Badlands 2nd. This is probably why a lot of people just leave it on without swapping weapons around too much, which is fair.

- Dr. Mak, PhD in Iron Bombing, leader of the [url=https://steamcommunity.com/groups/IBRESEARCHFAC]Iron Bomber Research Facility[/url]
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#41
9 Frags +

If it were truly a 'sidegrade' then the decision between using either stock or the iron bomber would come down to just personal preference right? But when a vast majority of people use it (demomains and non-demomains alike) then surely that falsifies the 'sidegrade' argument since there must be a reason other than the aforementioned self-preference to the aesthetic qualities of the gun such as the sounds it makes or the viewmodel.

It's not impossible that everyone just prefers the iron bomber for reasons other than it being just better than the stock, but I think that would be highly unlikely.

If it were truly a 'sidegrade' then the decision between using either stock or the iron bomber would come down to just personal preference right? But when a vast majority of people use it (demomains and non-demomains alike) then surely that falsifies the 'sidegrade' argument since there must be a reason other than the aforementioned self-preference to the aesthetic qualities of the gun such as the sounds it makes or the viewmodel.

It's not impossible that everyone just prefers the iron bomber for reasons other than it being just better than the stock, but I think that would be highly unlikely.
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#42
8 Frags +
Cyaniciron bomber = chads
stock = virgins

Reverse that

[quote=Cyanic]iron bomber = chads
stock = virgins[/quote]

Reverse that
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#43
-3 Frags +

I used iron bomber before the changes to it mostly because i prefered the sound and appearance + it was nice to experiment with different spam angles to maximize the chance of hitting with rollers if you couldn't hit them with the pipe itself.

That said, there are 2 main aspects nowadays for me to not go back to stock and those are min viewmodels (stock just looks kinda weird, but iron bomber is a bit more reasonable) and because it "feels" more consistent, i don't know if that last statement is true at all, but the tumble with stock pipes made me a bit psyched at times when i missed close shots or my spam pipes hit walls if it was really my fault or not, and with iron bomber i can be almost certain that when i miss a shot, other bullshit aside, it's most probably my own fault.

The shorter fuse really does not matter all that much and is truly a sidegrade kind of stat, since losing long range spam angles vs 1 every 2 fights dealing 30 extra damage is actually rather close. I'd say the iron bomber may be a bit more consistant if anything, but i don't think you're putting yourself at really that big of a disadvantage if you choose to run stock.

I used iron bomber before the changes to it mostly because i prefered the sound and appearance + it was nice to experiment with different spam angles to maximize the chance of hitting with rollers if you couldn't hit them with the pipe itself.

That said, there are 2 main aspects nowadays for me to not go back to stock and those are min viewmodels (stock just looks kinda weird, but iron bomber is a bit more reasonable) and because it "feels" more consistent, i don't know if that last statement is true at all, but the tumble with stock pipes made me a bit psyched at times when i missed close shots or my spam pipes hit walls if it was really my fault or not, and with iron bomber i can be almost certain that when i miss a shot, other bullshit aside, it's most probably my own fault.

The shorter fuse really does not matter all that much and is truly a sidegrade kind of stat, since losing long range spam angles vs 1 every 2 fights dealing 30 extra damage is actually rather close. I'd say the iron bomber may be a bit more consistant if anything, but i don't think you're putting yourself at really that big of a disadvantage if you choose to run stock.
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#44
-21 Frags +

If Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade then so is the Original

If Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade then so is the Original
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#45
16 Frags +
MakIf Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade then so is the Original

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[quote=Mak]If Iron Bomber is a straight upgrade then so is the Original[/quote]

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#46
-11 Frags +

If U Know U Know.

If U Know U Know.
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#47
4 Frags +

can b4nny please give a final verdict on the case

can b4nny please give a final verdict on the case
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#48
1 Frags +

i like the iron bomber cuz if u spam a choke with it ppl have to wait for explode and cant just let it roll past them which can really mess up ubers with multiple ppl if they arent brave enough to W hard af. The bonus spam angles the stock lets you do are nifty but they really dont do much besides help you pad your stats during stalemates. Even then id rather run iron bomber because its much easier to ~zone~ out ppl who are peaking too hard by placing pipes between them and their team because that will actually get ur team kills and not trash damage.

i like the iron bomber cuz if u spam a choke with it ppl have to wait for explode and cant just let it roll past them which can really mess up ubers with multiple ppl if they arent brave enough to W hard af. The bonus spam angles the stock lets you do are nifty but they really dont do much besides help you pad your stats during stalemates. Even then id rather run iron bomber because its much easier to ~zone~ out ppl who are peaking too hard by placing pipes between them and their team because that will actually get ur team kills and not trash damage.
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#49
0 Frags +

I was experimenting between the 2 guns earlier this season, mostly because I want to use my aussie grenade launcher. After about 2 weeks of feeling like my pipe aim was a lot less consistent with stock, I switched to the iron bomber mid match and instantly 3 piped some guy.

I was experimenting between the 2 guns earlier this season, mostly because I want to use my aussie grenade launcher. After about 2 weeks of feeling like my pipe aim was a lot less consistent with stock, I switched to the iron bomber mid match and instantly 3 piped some guy.
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#50
3 Frags +

https://youtu.be/oLcziLWZ9po?t=32s

That being said it seems like the iron bomber and stock projectiles collide differently since iron bomber blows up when any part of the projectile collides with projectile hitbox but sometimes parts of stock projectiles can enter the hitbox but wont register as a hit

https://youtu.be/oLcziLWZ9po?t=32s

That being said it seems like the iron bomber and stock projectiles collide differently since iron bomber blows up when any part of the projectile collides with projectile hitbox but sometimes parts of stock projectiles can enter the hitbox but wont register as a hit
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#51
26 Frags +

Never used the iron bomber

Never used the iron bomber
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#52
13 Frags +
DrPhilNever used the iron bomber

http://rs1218.pbsrc.com/albums/dd407/Kim_Maruschak/bowdownmaster.gif~c200

[quote=DrPhil]Never used the iron bomber[/quote]

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#53
4 Frags +
DrPhilNever used the iron bomber

Dr.Pill > Dr. Iron Bomber, easy choice

[quote=DrPhil]Never used the iron bomber[/quote]
Dr.Pill > Dr. Iron Bomber, easy choice
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