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hypothesis: LGBT people are better at video games
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Or: LGBT people are over represented in competitive and high level gamin scenes

This is my graduae research topic feel free to comment. Personally it feels like lgbt ppl are more common in this community than in the general population. 3 ppssible reasons ive figured

1. I only hang out with gay tf2 players
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
3. Lgbt people are more likely to sit inside getting good at games due to social stigmatization

Or: LGBT people are over represented in competitive and high level gamin scenes

This is my graduae research topic feel free to comment. Personally it feels like lgbt ppl are more common in this community than in the general population. 3 ppssible reasons ive figured

1. I only hang out with gay tf2 players
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
3. Lgbt people are more likely to sit inside getting good at games due to social stigmatization
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eee1. I only hang out with gay tf2 players

maybe that says more about you than it does tf2

[quote=eee]1. I only hang out with gay tf2 players[/quote]

maybe that says more about you than it does tf2
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Recognizin selection bias is important :(

Recognizin selection bias is important :(
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stop

this thread will go to shit very quickly

stop

this thread will go to shit very quickly
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eee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people

explain

[quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain
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videogames or tf2?

better or more common than average?

your title says one thing and your post says another or im reading it wrong

videogames or tf2?

better or more common than average?

your title says one thing and your post says another or im reading it wrong
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This is untrue.

This is untrue.
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sopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain

If I had to guess myself

1. All male characters

2. pyro is kind of a "genderless" class (unknown gender as far as we know)

3. game has cosmetics and you can color then almost anything (this one is reallly half-assed)

4. things like heavy x medic, soldier x demoman ? (also half-assed as well)

still I personally don't think this game is targeted towards the lgbt community at all.

[quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]

If I had to guess myself


1. All male characters

2. pyro is kind of a "genderless" class (unknown gender as far as we know)

3. game has cosmetics and you can color then almost anything (this one is reallly half-assed)

4. things like heavy x medic, soldier x demoman ? (also half-assed as well)

still I personally don't think this game is targeted towards the lgbt community at all.
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http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/tumblr_ljh0puClWT1qfkt17.gif
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this paper is gonna SUCK

this paper is gonna SUCK
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I hope you're not unironically doing your graduate research topic on a completely anecdotal experience.
can t wait

I hope you're not unironically doing your graduate research topic on a completely anecdotal experience.
can t wait
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sopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't

[quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't
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Cool Thread! +frags for science

Cool Thread! +frags for science
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Starry_Nebulae1. All male characters

??? there's more lgbt people who aren't gay men than are

also im bi and bad hypothesis disproven

[quote=Starry_Nebulae]1. All male characters[/quote]

??? there's more lgbt people who aren't gay men than are

also im bi and bad hypothesis disproven
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I think that lgbt+ people are more common in video games than in real life because gaming communities in general are just great places for anyone having trouble fitting in irl, gaming communities are alot more accepting overall because everyone has at least one thing in common, they're love of the game. Another reason is that over all people on the interent and in gaming communites specifically are usually younger people, who obviously are more accepting of lgbt+ people overall. However your hypothesis in the title that they are better seems kind of dumb to me idk about all games but i wouldn't say that the majority of events opr just video games being played are won by lgbt+ people or anything like that.

I think that lgbt+ people are more common in video games than in real life because gaming communities in general are just great places for anyone having trouble fitting in irl, gaming communities are alot more accepting overall because everyone has at least one thing in common, they're love of the game. Another reason is that over all people on the interent and in gaming communites specifically are usually younger people, who obviously are more accepting of lgbt+ people overall. However your hypothesis in the title that they are better seems kind of dumb to me idk about all games but i wouldn't say that the majority of events opr just video games being played are won by lgbt+ people or anything like that.
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fahrenheitsopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't

I wouldn't...

Show Content
[quote=fahrenheit][quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't[/quote]
I wouldn't...
[spoiler][img]https://puu.sh/tivT0/888bf58ec0.jpg[/img]
But I would this.[/spoiler]
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-RileyI think that lgbt+ people are more common in video games than in real life because gaming communities in general are just great places for anyone having trouble fitting in irl, gaming communities are alot more accepting overall because everyone has at least one thing in common, they're love of the game. Another reason is that over all people on the interent and in gaming communites specifically are usually younger people, who obviously are more accepting of lgbt+ people overall. However your hypothesis in the title that they are better seems kind of dumb to me idk about all games but i wouldn't say that the majority of events opr just video games being played are won by lgbt+ people or anything like that.

Not better in the sense of invite, better in that the average lgbt person is probably played more video games than the average person

[quote=-Riley]I think that lgbt+ people are more common in video games than in real life because gaming communities in general are just great places for anyone having trouble fitting in irl, gaming communities are alot more accepting overall because everyone has at least one thing in common, they're love of the game. Another reason is that over all people on the interent and in gaming communites specifically are usually younger people, who obviously are more accepting of lgbt+ people overall. However your hypothesis in the title that they are better seems kind of dumb to me idk about all games but i wouldn't say that the majority of events opr just video games being played are won by lgbt+ people or anything like that.[/quote]
Not better in the sense of invite, better in that the average lgbt person is probably played more video games than the average person
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yikes

yikes
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You are wrong, weeaboos are the best video gamers.
Reason why weeaboos are better than everyone else at video games:
1. They don't go outside much and don't have any friends, allowing them to play more games and watch anime.
2. Because they don't use their arms for anything but gaming and fapping, the motoristical abilities of their muscles are never taught anything else and therefore more easily remembers how to aim well wtf
3. Virgins so they don't ever feel the lust of real vagina and therefore can stay inside and game and watch anime more.

You are wrong, weeaboos are the best video gamers.
Reason why weeaboos are better than everyone else at video games:
1. They don't go outside much and don't have any friends, allowing them to play more games and watch anime.
2. Because they don't use their arms for anything but gaming and fapping, the motoristical abilities of their muscles are never taught anything else and therefore more easily remembers how to aim well wtf
3. Virgins so they don't ever feel the lust of real vagina and therefore can stay inside and game and watch anime more.
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fahrenheitsopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/9/91/Weather_Master.png/250px-Weather_Master.png

[quote=fahrenheit][quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/a/a6/Burly_Beast.png/250px-Burly_Beast.png?t=20161023073327

Don't even tell me you wouldn't[/quote]

https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/9/91/Weather_Master.png/250px-Weather_Master.png
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TF2 seems like a bit of an anomaly when it comes to the gays.
I'm not too familiar with other competitive scenes, but there seems to be a lot more homosexual activities in this game than others in regards to the player base.
Then again, it's easy for me to imagine that the same goes for Overwatch and probably DOTA and LoL.
Not sure how many members of the LGBTQ++ community play CS, Battlefield, CoD, or Quake though.

Also, it seems like the majority of LGBT competitive video game players are all biologically male.

TF2 seems like a bit of an anomaly when it comes to the gays.
I'm not too familiar with other competitive scenes, but there seems to be a lot more homosexual activities in this game than others in regards to the player base.
Then again, it's easy for me to imagine that the same goes for Overwatch and probably DOTA and LoL.
Not sure how many members of the LGBTQ++ community play CS, Battlefield, CoD, or Quake though.

Also, it seems like the majority of LGBT competitive video game players are all biologically male.
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Please put the finished product on TF.TV

Please put the finished product on TF.TV
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i have been illiterate all my life but i have just began the journey of learning to read just so i can immerse myself in this paper when it is complete. god bless you elliott

i have been illiterate all my life but i have just began the journey of learning to read just so i can immerse myself in this paper when it is complete. god bless you elliott
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alright im home and i actually think this is an interesting thought so w/e I'll flesh it out better
The assumption is that video games and online communities have a higher percentage of the population that identifies as LGBT compared to the general population. Further, I'm interested in if games with bigger time commitments like speedrunning and competitive titles select more for LGBT people. This is based on personal observation and tf2 being seen as a "gay weeb" game. I could be flatout wrong whoops :(.

sopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain

The three reasons I gave were possible reasons I'd think I see more LGBT people in this community than elsewhere. I'm most familiar with tf2 so its really the only community I can talk about. Option 1 would be my self-selection for LGBT people to hang out with has made me see a pattern in my own circle of friends and I've accidentally applied it to the whole community. 2 would be there being a pattern for TF2, but not necessarily every online community that is comparable. 3 would be a possible reason that this pattern would be observable in all online communities.

crackbabydumpstervideogames or tf2?

better or more common than average?

your title says one thing and your post says another or im reading it wrong

Better isn't a good word, but its easy to understand I guess. If you took random people from the entire population of the US, on average I think you'd find more gay people who are "good" at video games than you find heteronormies who are "good". Time spent playing video games is probably a better variable to track. If you were to do actual analysis something like CSGO rank, chess Elo, or MMR would be more usable for relative ability. I'd say better and more common are kinda conflated when you're talking about this, since people who don't play video games would be pretty bad at them.

Starry_Nebulaesopseee2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people
explain

still I personally don't think this game is targeted towards the lgbt community at all.

I don't think TF2 itself is more attractive to lgbt people by design. Valve didn't make a game trying to corner the queer population obviously. That doesn't mean it can't be uniquely appealing because of something like the community being very LGBT friendly. As an example, I'd say Old School Runescape isn't very LGBT friendly compared to TF2.

-Rileypost

this is more what I meant. It might be that younger people are more likely to be LGBT in general, but I kind of assume you'll see less young LGBT people playing lots of sports, and more of them in more introverted or inside hobbies like arts and gaming.

Not_MatlockTF2 seems like a bit of an anomaly when it comes to the gays.
I'm not too familiar with other competitive scenes, but there seems to be a lot more homosexual activities in this game than others in regards to the player base.
Then again, it's easy for me to imagine that the same goes for Overwatch and probably DOTA and LoL.
Not sure how many members of the LGBTQ++ community play CS, Battlefield, CoD, or Quake though.

Also, it seems like the majority of LGBT competitive video game players are all biologically male.

Yeah, this is why I gave option 2 in the OP. It might be TF2 is really unique in its appeal. I definitely think CS etc are more "normie" games and you see less LGBT people in them, but I only pub those games so its not like TF2 where I at least am passingly familiar with half the community.

Although the (few) girls I've played with in this game have been L or B, I think that the selective pressures you'll see on women who get into competitive gaming probably put a weird bottleneck on what kind of women would be here anyway. I think its an intersectional issue and kind of outside the scope of this topic. It is worth pointing out that competitive games are overwhelmingly male and that probably puts some weird gender pressures on people who participate.

alright im home and i actually think this is an interesting thought so w/e I'll flesh it out better
The assumption is that video games and online communities have a higher percentage of the population that identifies as LGBT compared to the general population. Further, I'm interested in if games with bigger time commitments like speedrunning and competitive titles select more for LGBT people. This is based on personal observation and tf2 being seen as a "gay weeb" game. I could be flatout wrong whoops :(.
[quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]
The three reasons I gave were possible reasons I'd think I see more LGBT people in this community than elsewhere. I'm most familiar with tf2 so its really the only community I can talk about. Option 1 would be my self-selection for LGBT people to hang out with has made me see a pattern in my own circle of friends and I've accidentally applied it to the whole community. 2 would be there being a pattern for TF2, but not necessarily every online community that is comparable. 3 would be a possible reason that this pattern would be observable in all online communities.


[quote=crackbabydumpster]videogames or tf2?

better or more common than average?

your title says one thing and your post says another or im reading it wrong[/quote]
Better isn't a good word, but its easy to understand I guess. If you took random people from the entire population of the US, on average I think you'd find more gay people who are "good" at video games than you find heteronormies who are "good". Time spent playing video games is probably a better variable to track. If you were to do actual analysis something like CSGO rank, chess Elo, or MMR would be more usable for relative ability. I'd say better and more common are kinda conflated when you're talking about this, since people who don't play video games would be pretty bad at them.
[quote=Starry_Nebulae][quote=sops][quote=eee]
2. Tf2 is uniquely appealing to lgbt people[/quote]

explain[/quote]


still I personally don't think this game is targeted towards the lgbt community at all.[/quote]
I don't think TF2 itself is more attractive to lgbt people by design. Valve didn't make a game trying to corner the queer population obviously. That doesn't mean it can't be uniquely appealing because of something like the community being very LGBT friendly. As an example, I'd say Old School Runescape isn't very LGBT friendly compared to TF2.

[quote=-Riley]post[/quote]

this is more what I meant. It might be that younger people are more likely to be LGBT in general, but I kind of assume you'll see less young LGBT people playing lots of sports, and more of them in more introverted or inside hobbies like arts and gaming.

[quote=Not_Matlock]TF2 seems like a bit of an anomaly when it comes to the gays.
I'm not too familiar with other competitive scenes, but there seems to be a lot more homosexual activities in this game than others in regards to the player base.
Then again, it's easy for me to imagine that the same goes for Overwatch and probably DOTA and LoL.
Not sure how many members of the LGBTQ++ community play CS, Battlefield, CoD, or Quake though.

Also, it seems like the majority of LGBT competitive video game players are all biologically male.[/quote]

Yeah, this is why I gave option 2 in the OP. It might be TF2 is really unique in its appeal. I definitely think CS etc are more "normie" games and you see less LGBT people in them, but I only pub those games so its not like TF2 where I at least am passingly familiar with half the community.

Although the (few) girls I've played with in this game have been L or B, I think that the selective pressures you'll see on women who get into competitive gaming probably put a weird bottleneck on what kind of women would be here anyway. I think its an intersectional issue and kind of outside the scope of this topic. It is worth pointing out that competitive games are overwhelmingly male and that probably puts some weird gender pressures on people who participate.
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eeeAs an example, I'd say Old School Runescape isn't very LGBT friendly compared to TF2.

OSRS has an INSANE amount of LGBT people in it, they even held a pride parade in-game, only reason everyone was pissed off was because pride had nothing to do with the game and they were pushing it.

[quote=eee]
As an example, I'd say Old School Runescape isn't very LGBT friendly compared to TF2.
[/quote]
OSRS has an INSANE amount of LGBT people in it, they even held a pride parade in-game, only reason everyone was pissed off was because pride had nothing to do with the game and they were pushing it.
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gemmStarry_Nebulae1. All male characters
??? there's more lgbt people who aren't gay men than are

also im bi and bad hypothesis disproven

i meant more on the lines of all character being the same gender but yea it's just dumb guesses for the sake of just joining in on the subject.

[quote=gemm][quote=Starry_Nebulae]1. All male characters[/quote]

??? there's more lgbt people who aren't gay men than are

also im bi and bad hypothesis disproven[/quote]

i meant more on the lines of all character being the same gender but yea it's just dumb guesses for the sake of just joining in on the subject.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLY9r1Y9aIU

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLY9r1Y9aIU[/youtube]
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this game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top

this game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top
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Adnurakthis game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top

sick edgy post my dude

[quote=Adnurak]this game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top[/quote]


sick edgy post my dude
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Adnurakthis game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top

http://imgur.com/a/hW8WI

[quote=Adnurak]this game is dead and the only people left are a bunch of losers with an obsessive attachment to it, competitive scenes in other games have serious competitors vying for the top[/quote]
http://imgur.com/a/hW8WI
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