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ESEA Client Update - Always On???
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#61
1 Frags +

so at what point do we actually show any sort of effort to petition CEVO to bring back tf2?

hopefully CS players will complain enough to get this reverted but i get no sense that ESEA will stop trying to do shady/obnoxious things, so I really don't think it's smart to just bend over and take it.

so at what point do we actually show any sort of effort to petition CEVO to bring back tf2?

hopefully CS players will complain enough to get this reverted but i get no sense that ESEA will stop trying to do shady/obnoxious things, so I really don't think it's smart to just bend over and take it.
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#62
5 Frags +
TechDudeI've heard reports that uninstalling the client doesn't always remove the driver component, has anyone seen this?

Does the client show the resources it's using in Task Manager still?

Someone in the linked CSGO subreddit said the driver sticks around after you uninstall, and I found this year old thread with instructions to remove the driver - not sure if it still works, but it's probably worth a shot.

I exited the ESEA client and didn't find it in tasklist nor task manager - I'd assume it's a hidden process then?

[quote=TechDude]
I've heard reports that uninstalling the client doesn't always remove the driver component, has anyone seen this?

Does the client show the resources it's using in Task Manager still?
[/quote]

Someone in the linked CSGO subreddit said the driver sticks around after you uninstall, and I found this [url=http://teamfortress.tv/thread/14080/how-to-fully-uninstall-the-esea-client/?page=1]year old thread[/url] with instructions to remove the driver - not sure if it still works, but it's probably worth a shot.

I exited the ESEA client and didn't find it in tasklist nor task manager - I'd assume it's a hidden process then?
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#63
-1 Frags +

Somebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)

Somebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)
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#64
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x30 players caught in TF2.

WORLD LEADING CLASS ANTI-CHEAT, but there is cheaters in IM.

I wonder if letting the client run longer will get them, right right?

=/

are you using the suspect list

[quote=x3]0 players caught in TF2.

WORLD LEADING CLASS ANTI-CHEAT, but there is cheaters in IM.

I wonder if letting the client run longer will get them, right right?

=/[/quote]

are you using the suspect list
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#65
-7 Frags +
omnificSomebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)

you have downs

[quote=omnific]Somebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)[/quote]

you have downs
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#66
-6 Frags +

I'd be surprised if he can read

I'd be surprised if he can read
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#67
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2comnificSomebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)
you have downs

Sorry, could you explain to me why this wouldn't be a good idea? Since bitcoin mining takes processing power, if nothing were running but the esea client and your cpu was working harder than it should, wouldn't that be a potential red flag? I don't know much about bitcoin mining however, it was just a suggestion

[quote=2c][quote=omnific]Somebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)[/quote]

you have downs[/quote]

Sorry, could you explain to me why this wouldn't be a good idea? Since bitcoin mining takes processing power, if nothing were running but the esea client and your cpu was working harder than it should, wouldn't that be a potential red flag? I don't know much about bitcoin mining however, it was just a suggestion
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#68
14 Frags +
pokemonizepicFanglesTime to see how much we can shit talk ESEA so they for sure drop us next season wooYou think lpkane reads tftv?

http://puu.sh/hT6Ua.png

Even if lpkane doesn't lurk here much on his own he has other admins like tri and killing who can tell him what we are saying about them.

[quote=pokemonizepic][quote=Fangles]Time to see how much we can shit talk ESEA so they for sure drop us next season woo[/quote]
You think lpkane reads tftv?[/quote]
[img]http://puu.sh/hT6Ua.png[/img]
Even if lpkane doesn't lurk here much on his own he has other admins like tri and killing who can tell him what we are saying about them.
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#69
16 Frags +
Fanglessnip

he provided no formal explanation in regards to the intricacies of this decision. he basically just said, "don't like it, leave." -- given ESEA's less than pristine past, that is going to naturally upset some people and rightfully so. no one is trash talking him or saying anything unreasonable from what i can tell.

[quote=Fangles]snip[/quote]

he provided no formal explanation in regards to the intricacies of this decision. he basically just said, "don't like it, leave." -- given ESEA's less than pristine past, that is going to naturally upset some people and rightfully so. no one is trash talking him or saying anything unreasonable from what i can tell.
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#70
5 Frags +

if some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for a second

if some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for a second
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#71
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Foxif some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for second

i doubt most people are terribly concerned with the bitcoin thing tbh. apart from the horrible customer service we all expect from esea, the apprehension personally comes from degraded game performance. Ed struggles to get 80 frames at 480p, and on client he gets 60. Being able to turn that off to lobby or pug is a nice thought, having it always on and degrading performance is unideal imo

[quote=Fox]if some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for second[/quote]
i doubt most people are terribly concerned with the bitcoin thing tbh. apart from the horrible customer service we all expect from esea, the apprehension personally comes from degraded game performance. Ed struggles to get 80 frames at 480p, and on client he gets 60. Being able to turn that off to lobby or pug is a nice thought, having it always on and degrading performance is unideal imo
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#72
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eeeFoxif some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for secondi doubt most people are terribly concerned with the bitcoin thing tbh.

that's why i said some people

omnific2comnificSomebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)
you have downs

Sorry, could you explain to me why this wouldn't be a good idea? Since bitcoin mining takes processing power, if nothing were running but the esea client and your cpu was working harder than it should, wouldn't that be a potential red flag? I don't know much about bitcoin mining however, it was just a suggestion

*cough*

edit: also i do understand the performance hit, because i get it as well when keeping the client on lol

[quote=eee][quote=Fox]if some people think esea would install another bitcoin miner on their client after they had a LAWSUIT about it previously, you need to really stop and think for second[/quote]
i doubt most people are terribly concerned with the bitcoin thing tbh.[/quote]
that's why i said some people

[quote=omnific][quote=2c][quote=omnific]Somebody run a cpu preformance test with no programs running except for the client. This could help detect potential bitcoin mining attepts (for example if the cpu used >50% of it's processing power)[/quote]

you have downs[/quote]

Sorry, could you explain to me why this wouldn't be a good idea? Since bitcoin mining takes processing power, if nothing were running but the esea client and your cpu was working harder than it should, wouldn't that be a potential red flag? I don't know much about bitcoin mining however, it was just a suggestion[/quote]

*cough*

[b]edit:[/b] also i do understand the performance hit, because i get it as well when keeping the client on lol
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#73
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The concern here isn't because I think that they're going to try to mine bitcoins on my computer. The massive penalty payments they would have to make if they get caught is probably enough to make them unwilling to do that (isn't it a couple million?). Esea just seems to be trying to make it a pain in the ass if you want to use their service to play videogames.

It will seriously suck to have to uninstall the client whenever you want to play tf2 apart from a match. That's a big fear of mine cause currently I get a lot of stutters and game freezes when I try and play tf2 with it running.

The concern here isn't because I think that they're going to try to mine bitcoins on my computer. The massive penalty payments they would have to make if they get caught is probably enough to make them unwilling to do that (isn't it a couple million?). Esea just seems to be trying to make it a pain in the ass if you want to use their service to play videogames.

It will seriously suck to have to uninstall the client whenever you want to play tf2 apart from a match. That's a big fear of mine cause currently I get a lot of stutters and game freezes when I try and play tf2 with it running.
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#74
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SleepingLifeThe concern here isn't because I think that they're going to try to mine bitcoins on my computer. The massive penalty payments they would have to make if they get caught is probably enough to make them unwilling to do that (isn't it a couple million?). Esea just seems to be trying to make it a pain in the ass if you want to use their service to play videogames.

tbh

this would make the game more easy to play. You wouldn't have to worry about starting the client or logging in and its one less thing to micromanage on your way to a pug. Unfortunately, lpkane cant sell anything at all, so he really did this the wrong way imo. A small essay about the difficulty of deterring cheaters and coming up with some asinine benefits for an always on service might've made it a little easier to swallow ???

[quote=SleepingLife]The concern here isn't because I think that they're going to try to mine bitcoins on my computer. The massive penalty payments they would have to make if they get caught is probably enough to make them unwilling to do that (isn't it a couple million?). Esea just seems to be trying to make it a pain in the ass if you want to use their service to play videogames.[/quote]
tbh

this would make the game more easy to play. You wouldn't have to worry about starting the client or logging in and its one less thing to micromanage on your way to a pug. Unfortunately, lpkane cant sell anything at all, so he really did this the wrong way imo. A small essay about the difficulty of deterring cheaters and coming up with some asinine benefits for an always on service might've made it a little easier to swallow ???
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#75
10 Frags +
eee
this would make the game more easy to play. You wouldn't have to worry about starting the client or logging in and its one less thing to micromanage on your way to a pug. Unfortunately, lpkane cant sell anything at all, so he really did this the wrong way imo. A small essay about the difficulty of deterring cheaters and coming up with some asinine benefits for an always on service might've made it a little easier to swallow ???

I disagree with everything you've said, regardless of the outcome of this though I was probably going to leave esea soon anyway, so this only expedites something that was already going to occur. Depending on what the other people on my team want I'll either be done now or done once my premium runs out.

[quote=eee]

this would make the game more easy to play. You wouldn't have to worry about starting the client or logging in and its one less thing to micromanage on your way to a pug. Unfortunately, lpkane cant sell anything at all, so he really did this the wrong way imo. A small essay about the difficulty of deterring cheaters and coming up with some asinine benefits for an always on service might've made it a little easier to swallow ???[/quote]

I disagree with everything you've said, regardless of the outcome of this though I was probably going to leave esea soon anyway, so this only expedites something that was already going to occur. Depending on what the other people on my team want I'll either be done now or done once my premium runs out.
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#76
12 Frags +
DanceNumbertime to dual-boot just to play tf2 lmao

A separate windows install only with tf2 and the esea malware is legitimately more convenient than installing/uninstalling every week. Better yet you could not pay 15 bucks to willingly install malware.

[quote=DanceNumber]time to dual-boot just to play tf2 lmao[/quote]

A separate windows install only with tf2 and the esea malware is legitimately more convenient than installing/uninstalling every week. Better yet you could not pay 15 bucks to willingly install malware.
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#77
8 Frags +
SleepingLifeonce my premium runs out.

Make sure to actually cancel it the subscription. The choice between 1-3 months premium isn't how long it lasts, it's just how much you're going to pay up front.

[quote=SleepingLife]once my premium runs out.[/quote]
Make sure to actually cancel it the subscription. The choice between 1-3 months premium isn't how long it lasts, it's just how much you're going to pay up front.
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#78
4 Frags +
dashnerI would only be convinced to make the case to CEVO to re open TF2 if the vast majority of the community (including the top teams) were willing to switch over.

http://strawpoll.me/4400770

Only one way to find out

[quote=dashner]
I would only be convinced to make the case to CEVO to re open TF2 if the vast majority of the community (including the top teams) were willing to switch over.[/quote]
http://strawpoll.me/4400770

Only one way to find out
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#79
19 Frags +

Can we at least wait one god damn week to see how this update affects us before losing our fucking minds.

Can we at least wait one god damn week to see how this update affects us before losing our fucking minds.
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#80
8 Frags +

Lord lpkane have mercy

[url=http://gfycat.com/OddPlaintiveDove]Lord lpkane have mercy[/url]
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#81
9 Frags +

cevo was awful, i appreciate the effort that went into trying to make the tf2 league work but that shit was booty butt cheeks

the matchmod, the website, paladin were just so annoying and sub par compared to esea

cevo was awful, i appreciate the effort that went into trying to make the tf2 league work but that shit was booty butt cheeks

the matchmod, the website, paladin were just so annoying and sub par compared to esea
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#82
15 Frags +

i can't even create a local server without client making the game stutter and rubber band

security shit aside this is retarded

edit: my video is when i'm logged into client, it might be ok with just the process running? idk im still holding my pitchfork for now

i can't even create a [url=http://www.twitch.tv/bgvortex/c/6712824]local server[/url] without client making the game stutter and rubber band

security shit aside this is retarded

edit: my video is when i'm logged into client, it might be ok with just the process running? idk im still holding my pitchfork for now
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#83
3 Frags +

u wouldnt be giving up LAN so there's less of a chance of invite players being unwilling to switch.

its still a bad idea tho because ur gonna kill tf2 maybe and its probably better to wait this out for a while....

u wouldnt be giving up LAN so there's less of a chance of invite players being unwilling to switch.

its still a bad idea tho because ur gonna kill tf2 maybe and its probably better to wait this out for a while....
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#84
1 Frags +

Do people actually think CEVO is a real possibility for TF2 over ESEA.

please everyone

Do people actually think CEVO is a real possibility for TF2 over ESEA.

[url=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8f/02/5d/8f025d5840e5bf8f0eba95193da7c863.jpg]please everyone[/url]
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#85
6 Frags +

Honestly, as much as this is a real buzzkill, this isn't going to deter the CS community, which is what really matters in this situation. As ESEA has shown this season, it's willing to cripple one aspect of NA TF2 in order to advance it's commitment to CS since that's what brings in money for them.

At this point, it's a choice of either biting the bullet or actually organizing something that is more catered to our needs rather than giving some random new league like CEVO the old college try, and I just don't see us actually making something that major without some serious commitment from a lot of areas, and that means EVERYONE fully backing from ESEA, not just a wish washy chuck of the community. I personally don't think ESEA is that dumb to install another lolcoin miner. ESEA is still supporting TF2 without a LAN and has nodded that they might expand again if matchmaking is a success.

I really don't think we should get this reactionary again, because the last time we did, we killed whatever growth we had up to that point and we're barely getting back to that point now.

Honestly, as much as this is a real buzzkill, this isn't going to deter the CS community, which is what really matters in this situation. As ESEA has shown this season, it's willing to cripple one aspect of NA TF2 in order to advance it's commitment to CS since that's what brings in money for them.

At this point, it's a choice of either biting the bullet or actually organizing something that is more catered to our needs rather than giving some random new league like CEVO the old college try, and I just don't see us actually making something that major without some serious commitment from a lot of areas, and that means EVERYONE fully backing from ESEA, not just a wish washy chuck of the community. I personally don't think ESEA is that dumb to install another lolcoin miner. ESEA is still supporting TF2 without a LAN and has nodded that they might expand again if matchmaking is a success.

I really don't think we should get this reactionary again, because the last time we did, we killed whatever growth we had up to that point and we're barely getting back to that point now.
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#86
13 Frags +

I've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever.

Vortexi can't even create a local server without client making the game stutter and rubber band

security shit aside this is retarded

I've been talking to vortex to recreate his experience in this video but he informed that this was him playing in a local server after being logged into the client after a match.

I have not logged into client after updating and have just been playing and have had no issues.

People need to just calm down and not flip shit like a bunch of knee jerk reactionaries without waiting for at least a couple days worth of data first.

I've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever.

[quote=Vortex]i can't even create a [url=http://www.twitch.tv/bgvortex/c/6712824]local server[/url] without client making the game stutter and rubber band

security shit aside this is retarded[/quote]

I've been talking to vortex to recreate his experience in this video but he informed that this was him playing in a local server after being logged into the client after a match.

I have not logged into client after updating and have just been playing and have had no issues.

People need to just calm down and not flip shit like a bunch of knee jerk reactionaries without waiting for at least a couple days worth of data first.
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#87
8 Frags +
zigzterSleepingLifeonce my premium runs out.Make sure to actually cancel it the subscription. The choice between 1-3 months premium isn't how long it lasts, it's just how much you're going to pay up front.

This reminds me of a story I have about when I first started playing esea back in S12. I was playing with a bunch of friends and it was our first time encountering esea in any form. A lot of my friends had issues with paying and other assorted problems so I decided I'd pay for them. Fast forward to the end of the season and a few of them decided to part ways with tf2. Due to my incompetence I ended up paying esea 5 premiums for around a year before I finally found out and cancelled them. Lesson to learn from all this, check your recurring payments area at paypal every once in a while to make sure you're not handing out money for nothing.

[quote=zigzter][quote=SleepingLife]once my premium runs out.[/quote]
Make sure to actually cancel it the subscription. The choice between 1-3 months premium isn't how long it lasts, it's just how much you're going to pay up front.[/quote]

This reminds me of a story I have about when I first started playing esea back in S12. I was playing with a bunch of friends and it was our first time encountering esea in any form. A lot of my friends had issues with paying and other assorted problems so I decided I'd pay for them. Fast forward to the end of the season and a few of them decided to part ways with tf2. Due to my incompetence I ended up paying esea 5 premiums for around a year before I finally found out and cancelled them. Lesson to learn from all this, check your recurring payments area at paypal every once in a while to make sure you're not handing out money for nothing.
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#88
1 Frags +
AvastI've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever.

Did you restart your computer after updating it?

Because my ping was spiking today but I believe that has to do with my internet just being bad rather than the client update

[quote=Avast]I've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever. [/quote]
Did you restart your computer after updating it?

Because my ping was spiking today but I believe that has to do with my internet just being bad rather than the client update
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#89
26 Frags +

They say "If you don't wanna be with us after this change, you don't have to give us money"

Yet they do this early in the season when they've already collected everyone's league fees + 1-3 months of premium from everyone.

I wouldn't have minded this update if it was between seasons, but why pull this on us and tell us "Don't resubscribe if you don't like it" if we literally just started the season.

They say "If you don't wanna be with us after this change, you don't have to give us money"

Yet they do this early in the season when they've already collected everyone's league fees + 1-3 months of premium from everyone.

I wouldn't have minded this update if it was between seasons, but why pull this on us and tell us "Don't resubscribe if you don't like it" if we literally just started the season.
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#90
3 Frags +
MaxillawsAvastI've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever. Did you restart your computer after updating it?

Because my ping was spiking today but I believe that has to do with my internet just being bad rather than the client update

Yes I followed the ESEA client's instructions for proper updating.

I've now played for around 20-25 minutes and still have no had any issues with rubberbanding or spiking that is common with having the client open and trying to play on non-ESEA servers.

I think a lot of people here are freaking out about this without actually updating and attempting to play to see if there is actually any problem as I have to yet experience any.

Edit: I'm also going to attempt to recreate it on servers with competitive configs execed by playing a few centers and pugs.

[quote=Maxillaws][quote=Avast]I've just updated my client and have been pubbing in valve servers for the past 10-15 minutes, and so far I've had no issues whatsoever. [/quote]
Did you restart your computer after updating it?

Because my ping was spiking today but I believe that has to do with my internet just being bad rather than the client update[/quote]

Yes I followed the ESEA client's instructions for proper updating.

I've now played for around 20-25 minutes and still have no had any issues with rubberbanding or spiking that is common with having the client open and trying to play on non-ESEA servers.

I think a lot of people here are freaking out about this without actually updating and attempting to play to see if there is actually any problem as I have to yet experience any.

Edit: I'm also going to attempt to recreate it on servers with competitive configs execed by playing a few centers and pugs.
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