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NISLT medic thing
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So in the video Sin came out with today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OcXY9DjtE

A medic in a competitive match gets headshot and survives.

Now I'm not looking for any explanation for this, but I was wondering what would happen if a medic got headshot in the exact same tick that he had a regen in?

So in the video Sin came out with today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OcXY9DjtE

A medic in a competitive match gets headshot and survives.

Now I'm [b]not looking for any explanation for this[/b], but I was wondering what would happen if a medic got headshot in the exact same tick that he had a regen in?
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#2
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Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.

Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.
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#3
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since tf2 is only 66 tick, a headshot and medic regen probably happen in the same tick fairly often. it would be really noticeable if it was possible for the medic to live through it.

also that video is from a lobby:

http://logs.tf/442028

probably just a second medic overhealing the other one before he left spawn because lobby

edit: checked the log cause i'm a nerd, another dude spawns as medic and heals the other

http://pastebin.com/TqBRDBn2

since tf2 is only 66 tick, a headshot and medic regen probably happen in the same tick fairly often. it would be really noticeable if it was possible for the medic to live through it.

also that video is from a lobby:

http://logs.tf/442028

probably just a second medic overhealing the other one before he left spawn because lobby

edit: checked the log cause i'm a nerd, another dude spawns as medic and heals the other

http://pastebin.com/TqBRDBn2
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#4
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Nᴊɪᴛs: Squirrel
Nᴊɪᴛs: That lobby you played
Nᴊɪᴛs: where the medic got headshot
Nᴊɪᴛs: did the medic get overhealed in spawn
Nᴊɪᴛs: ?
Squirrel LFT: eh?
Nᴊɪᴛs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OcXY9DjtE
Squirrel LFT: nope
Squirrel LFT: the med was shockingly bad though
Nᴊɪᴛs: ok
Nᴊɪᴛs: so he didn't get overhealed in spawn?
Squirrel LFT: not a clue why that happend though
Nᴊɪᴛs: 100% sure?
Squirrel LFT: no overheals
Nᴊɪᴛs: ok thanks buddy
Squirrel LFT: class limit 1

Theory_crushed

Nᴊɪᴛs: Squirrel
Nᴊɪᴛs: That lobby you played
Nᴊɪᴛs: where the medic got headshot
Nᴊɪᴛs: did the medic get overhealed in spawn
Nᴊɪᴛs: ?
Squirrel LFT: eh?
Nᴊɪᴛs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10OcXY9DjtE
Squirrel LFT: nope
Squirrel LFT: the med was shockingly bad though
Nᴊɪᴛs: ok
Nᴊɪᴛs: so he didn't get overhealed in spawn?
Squirrel LFT: not a clue why that happend though
Nᴊɪᴛs: 100% sure?
Squirrel LFT: no overheals
Nᴊɪᴛs: ok thanks buddy
Squirrel LFT: class limit 1

Theory_crushed
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#5
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see edit

don't cheat in lobbies kids the internet police will get you

see edit

don't cheat in lobbies kids the internet police will get you
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#6
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I bet overheal particles around Medic are there for a reason.

I bet overheal particles around Medic are there for a reason.
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#7
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PhunkNow I'm not looking for any explanation for this, but I was wondering what would happen if a medic got headshot in the exact same tick that he had a regen in?

He dies either way. It's processed synchronously, if the headshot is registered first, he'll die. If the regen is registered first, he'll regen, and then die from the headshot. I don't know what happens in the video but the medic has overheal particles around him when he gets shot.

[quote=Phunk]Now I'm not looking for any explanation for this, but I was wondering what would happen if a medic got headshot in the exact same tick that he had a regen in?[/quote]

He dies either way. It's processed synchronously, if the headshot is registered first, he'll die. If the regen is registered first, he'll regen, and then die from the headshot. I don't know what happens in the video but the medic has overheal particles around him when he gets shot.
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#8
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Meanwhile, YouTube commenters are the smartest people in the world...

http://puu.sh/biuIo/faf3628f88.png

But yeah, the overheal particles were there, so... I guess somebody broke the rules.

Meanwhile, YouTube commenters are the smartest people in the world...
[img]http://puu.sh/biuIo/faf3628f88.png[/img]

But yeah, the overheal particles were there, so... I guess somebody broke the rules.
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#9
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Looks like the config must have broken, lynd was asking to switch to med the whole game, guess he just got fed up at the end. #aidslobbys

Looks like the config must have broken, lynd was asking to switch to med the whole game, guess he just got fed up at the end. #aidslobbys
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#10
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Now I'm not an expert at source engine so take everything I say with a grain of salt.

What I think happened is that the medic was at 145 to 149 health, being ready to regen +6 in the next tick.
Having the +6 added at the exact same tick as the headshot, the server calculated that the medic gained and lost health (starting at for example 147) looking like this:

147 + 6 - 150

Now because the +3 buff was instantly neutral again within the same tick the server didn't remove the minimal overheal that would've been without the headshot.

I suppose it could also be something related to lag compensation but yeah it's my guess.

Now I'm not an expert at source engine so take everything I say with a grain of salt.

What I think happened is that the medic was at 145 to 149 health, being ready to regen +6 in the next tick.
Having the +6 added at the exact same tick as the headshot, the server calculated that the medic gained and lost health (starting at for example 147) looking like this:

147 + 6 - 150

Now because the +3 buff was instantly neutral again within the same tick the server didn't remove the minimal overheal that would've been without the headshot.

I suppose it could also be something related to lag compensation but yeah it's my guess.
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#11
8 Frags +

good theory but the case of the mystery medic was already solved by super sleuth erkston

good theory but the case of the mystery medic was already solved by super sleuth erkston
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#12
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ExquisiteStoneYes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.

imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you

[quote=ExquisiteStone]Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.[/quote]

imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you
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#13
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smoboExquisiteStoneYes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.
imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you

I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.

[quote=smobo][quote=ExquisiteStone]Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.[/quote]

imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you[/quote]
I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.
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#14
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ExquisiteStonesmoboExquisiteStoneYes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.
imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you
I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.

have you been listening to anything anyone has been saying?

[quote=ExquisiteStone][quote=smobo][quote=ExquisiteStone]Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.[/quote]

imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you[/quote]
I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.[/quote]
have you been listening to anything anyone has been saying?
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#15
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Could've used quick fix uber in spawn for whatever reason, then switched to medigun

Could've used quick fix uber in spawn for whatever reason, then switched to medigun
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#16
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a new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying

a new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying
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#17
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PhunkExquisiteStonesmoboExquisiteStoneYes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.
imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you
I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.
have you been listening to anything anyone has been saying?

I was talking about the time it happened to me.

[quote=Phunk][quote=ExquisiteStone][quote=smobo][quote=ExquisiteStone]Yes, I once survived a headshot like that too, it's a 1/66 chance logically.[/quote]

imagine if you got bodyshot while a spy headshot you

150 - 50 = 100
100 + 3 = 103
103 - 102 = 1

you hear a crit noise and you see the sniper and you're alive so you're like "yea i planned that headshot with my regen to survive it ez" and your team thinks you're a god and the other team is like "med's lit"

imagine being a medic main for so long you're actually proud of not dying when someone shoots you[/quote]
I'm not a medic main, and your theory could be possible.[/quote]
have you been listening to anything anyone has been saying?[/quote]
I was talking about the time it happened to me.
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#18
26 Frags +

Just stick to playing jump maps stone..

Just stick to playing jump maps stone..
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#19
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ukma new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying

stop being witty and read the op again

Teapot_Just stick to playing jump maps stone..

whenever I seen stone on the forums, he's always being an idiot

[quote=ukm]a new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying[/quote]
stop being witty and read the op again
[quote=Teapot_]Just stick to playing jump maps stone..[/quote]
whenever I seen stone on the forums, he's always being an idiot
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#20
2 Frags +

where the hell was this all those games against powah? :(

where the hell was this all those games against powah? :(
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#21
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Teapot_Just stick to playing jump maps stone..

I quit jumping.

[quote=Teapot_]Just stick to playing jump maps stone..[/quote]
I quit jumping.
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#22
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ExquisiteStoneTeapot_Just stick to playing jump maps stone..I quit jumping.

Step two: quit being an idiot

[quote=ExquisiteStone][quote=Teapot_]Just stick to playing jump maps stone..[/quote]
I quit jumping.[/quote]

Step two: quit being an idiot
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#23
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Alfiestop being witty and read the op again

nah read erkston's post again

if med was able to survive lethal damage incurred on the same tick their health regens, it would statistically happen often enough to be noticeable

since I have not seen this happen once in my 7 years of playing this dumb game I can assure you the answer to the OP's question is "the medic would die"

[quote=Alfie]
stop being witty and read the op again
[/quote]

nah read erkston's post again

if med was able to survive lethal damage incurred on the same tick their health regens, it would statistically happen often enough to be noticeable

since I have not seen this happen once in my 7 years of playing this dumb game I can assure you the answer to the OP's question is "the medic would die"
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#24
5 Frags +

Even if you ignore the fact that erkston's already stated what happened per the logs, you're all overlooking how TF2 works. The medic regenerates health up to a max of 150. Never ever ever has he gone past 150, even for a tick. Sure, a patch could cause this to happen, but it never has. I was a bit miffed the other day when I hit a medic with two rockets in a row and combattext batching showed the damage dealt to be 152, though. How dare he live.

Even if you ignore the fact that erkston's already stated what happened per the logs, you're all overlooking how TF2 works. The medic regenerates health up to a max of 150. Never ever ever has he gone past 150, even for a tick. Sure, a patch could cause this to happen, but it never has. I was a bit miffed the other day when I hit a medic with two rockets in a row and combattext batching showed the damage dealt to be 152, though. How [i]dare[/i] he live.
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#25
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smakersEven if you ignore the fact that erkston's already stated what happened per the logs, you're all overlooking how TF2 works. The medic regenerates health up to a max of 150. Never ever ever has he gone past 150, even for a tick. Sure, a patch could cause this to happen, but it never has. I was a bit miffed the other day when I hit a medic with two rockets in a row and combattext batching showed the damage dealt to be 152, though. How dare he live.

this is one explanation but it doesnt explain why medic had overheal or at least showed a presence of overheal

[quote=smakers]Even if you ignore the fact that erkston's already stated what happened per the logs, you're all overlooking how TF2 works. The medic regenerates health up to a max of 150. Never ever ever has he gone past 150, even for a tick. Sure, a patch could cause this to happen, but it never has. I was a bit miffed the other day when I hit a medic with two rockets in a row and combattext batching showed the damage dealt to be 152, though. How [i]dare[/i] he live.[/quote]

this is one explanation but it doesnt explain why medic had overheal or at least showed a presence of overheal
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#26
10 Frags +

ANOTHER MEDIC HEALED HIM

ANOTHER MEDIC HEALED HIM
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#27
8 Frags +

the post you're replying to isn't even an explanation

roody i know you're french but come on man

the post you're replying to isn't even an explanation

roody i know you're french but come on man
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#28
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ukmthe post you're replying to isn't even an explanation

roody i know you're french but come on man

obiviously i was talking about erkston's explaination that smakers was referring to, the fact that your main language is english and you failed to understand that is pretty bad.

[quote=ukm]the post you're replying to isn't even an explanation

roody i know you're french but come on man[/quote]

obiviously i was talking about erkston's explaination that smakers was referring to, the fact that your main language is english and you failed to understand that is pretty bad.
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#29
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ukma new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying

not even i can solve this mystery

[quote=ukm]a new file has been opened for crack PI erkston

the case of why the fuck does nobody read the thread before replying[/quote]
not even i can solve this mystery
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#30
1 Frags +
RoodYthis is one explanation

what in the world made you think he wasnt going to get confused

and ekston explained the whole thing yesterday flawlessly

the thread is closed

[quote=RoodY]this is one explanation[/quote]

what in the world made you think he wasnt going to get confused

and ekston explained the whole thing yesterday flawlessly

the thread is closed
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