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#3331
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crybabyyeah i think the 3600 is a good idea since i probably wont be getting the money for another 2 months minimum, and i'm fine with waiting longer. I think i'll worry about the GPU for later but what would be the best GPU to get for a 3600? im looking into getting an RX 590 or 580 atm.

I've also got no idea about which motherboard i should choose. Like what's the main difference between the 100$ range to the 150$ range? atm looking at this one simply because it comes with dvi-d.

A mobo having dvi-d means nothing when you're gonna be plugging into your GPU lol.

Also a bunch of cheaper motherboards will probably be released soon when the new Ryzen CPUs have been out for a while.

[quote=crybaby]yeah i think the 3600 is a good idea since i probably wont be getting the money for another 2 months minimum, and i'm fine with waiting longer. I think i'll worry about the GPU for later but what would be the best GPU to get for a 3600? im looking into getting an RX 590 or 580 atm.

I've also got no idea about which motherboard i should choose. Like what's the main difference between the 100$ range to the 150$ range? atm looking at [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2pnG3C/gigabyte-ga-ab350-gaming-3-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350-gaming-3]this one[/url] simply because it comes with dvi-d.[/quote]

A mobo having dvi-d means nothing when you're gonna be plugging into your GPU lol.

Also a bunch of cheaper motherboards will probably be released soon when the new Ryzen CPUs have been out for a while.
3332
#3332
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i know that lol, its more because I have a dual monitor setup and would like to not have to switch hdmi ports every time i want to use the other monitor for my switch / ps4 / etc. Its a small thing but thats been such an annoying thing to deal with w/ my current mobo

i know that lol, its more because I have a dual monitor setup and would like to not have to switch hdmi ports every time i want to use the other monitor for my switch / ps4 / etc. Its a small thing but thats been such an annoying thing to deal with w/ my current mobo
3333
#3333
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Ayo, a friend of mine is planning on building a PC somewhere towards the end of the summer, mostly directed towards film editing (he studies cinema) but he also would like it to be able to sustain decent gaming loads in the future on fairly high settings in 1080p. As of right now, I've come up with this build for a budget of around 1000 euros : https://www.materiel.net/configurateur-pc-sur-mesure/6d2725a6711b0dbf17875fe1056a113d/
Partpicker isn't the most convenient sorry. Price includes monitor and two complementary fans I've picked.
Obviously, if the 3600 or 2600X happen to have a close pricing to the 2600 I'd pick one of them over it, but 2600X would probably be better cause no mobo change would be required ?
Thanks in advance

Edit : He will probably be willing to overclock his CPU, which might make 2600 a better option than the X-variant. What cooler would you recommend however ? Not sure whether the one I've picked is beefy enough for a 4,1 GHz overclock.

Ayo, a friend of mine is planning on building a PC somewhere towards the end of the summer, mostly directed towards film editing (he studies cinema) but he also would like it to be able to sustain decent gaming loads in the future on fairly high settings in 1080p. As of right now, I've come up with this build for a budget of around 1000 euros : https://www.materiel.net/configurateur-pc-sur-mesure/6d2725a6711b0dbf17875fe1056a113d/
Partpicker isn't the most convenient sorry. Price includes monitor and two complementary fans I've picked.
Obviously, if the 3600 or 2600X happen to have a close pricing to the 2600 I'd pick one of them over it, but 2600X would probably be better cause no mobo change would be required ?
Thanks in advance

Edit : He will probably be willing to overclock his CPU, which might make 2600 a better option than the X-variant. What cooler would you recommend however ? Not sure whether the one I've picked is beefy enough for a 4,1 GHz overclock.
3334
#3334
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#3333
If you're using a discrete GPU you need to plug everything into that GPU. The connections on the mobo only lead to the integrated GPU. The 3600 doesn't have one so it will not work.
GPUs also come with 4-6 outputs, so it's really not that hard to find one with 2 HDMI ports.

#3334
No mobo change would be required either way, so the 3600 would be better.
The GPU market should change a bit in the next few months so maybe that'll free up enough of the budget to get a 3600.

Yeah, the slim cooler doesn't make much sense, it's not any better than the non-slim Pure Rock, which is cheaper. The options are a bit limited though so it might make sense to keep the stock cooler and buy the cooler separately.

#3333
If you're using a discrete GPU you need to plug everything into that GPU. The connections on the mobo only lead to the integrated GPU. The 3600 doesn't have one so it will not work.
GPUs also come with 4-6 outputs, so it's really not that hard to find one with 2 HDMI ports.

#3334
No mobo change would be required either way, so the 3600 would be better.
The GPU market should change a bit in the next few months so maybe that'll free up enough of the budget to get a 3600.

Yeah, the slim cooler doesn't make much sense, it's not any better than the non-slim Pure Rock, which is cheaper. The options are a bit limited though so it might make sense to keep the stock cooler and buy the cooler separately.
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#3335
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Yo, I'm looking to build a new PC around a 3700x in the near future and am looking for advice on a build, I've not really been keeping up to date with most tech stuff.

The build will be mostly for games, mainly TF2, Dota, CS:GO and souls games, probably some Destiny 2 which literally maxes my current cpu out lol. I'll maybe play Elden Ring/Cyberpunk too when they're out, but no idea of how demanding they'll be. Aiming to get at least 200+fps in TF2 and at least 150 in Destiny 2, the graphics don't need to be maxed for Destiny though.

I'll also want to stream all these games at some point, which is why I felt a higher core count could be beneficial. It might be a bit overkill, but if the PC is gonna last as long as my current one has done, I may as well go overkill now and maybe get a bit more longevity.

I'll be doing some video stuff as well and will want to render at 1440p60 hence going for the 3700x instead of 3600x just for some more cores to use while rendering. Unless I'm mistaken in how many cores can be used to render videos.

I already have storage (850 EVO) and GPU (RX 480) sorted as they'll be reused from what I have now, will be looking for everything else, including a new case and PSU.

Budget is ~£700

Yo, I'm looking to build a new PC around a 3700x in the near future and am looking for advice on a build, I've not really been keeping up to date with most tech stuff.

The build will be mostly for games, mainly TF2, Dota, CS:GO and souls games, probably some Destiny 2 which literally maxes my current cpu out lol. I'll maybe play Elden Ring/Cyberpunk too when they're out, but no idea of how demanding they'll be. Aiming to get at least 200+fps in TF2 and at least 150 in Destiny 2, the graphics don't need to be maxed for Destiny though.

I'll also want to stream all these games at some point, which is why I felt a higher core count could be beneficial. It might be a bit overkill, but if the PC is gonna last as long as my current one has done, I may as well go overkill now and maybe get a bit more longevity.

I'll be doing some video stuff as well and will want to render at 1440p60 hence going for the 3700x instead of 3600x just for some more cores to use while rendering. Unless I'm mistaken in how many cores can be used to render videos.

I already have storage (850 EVO) and GPU (RX 480) sorted as they'll be reused from what I have now, will be looking for everything else, including a new case and PSU.

Budget is ~£700
3336
#3336
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Thanks for the answer !
You say no mobo change would be required anyway, but would a B450 hinder overclock significantly on the 3600 ? Unless I'm missing the point and overclocking doesn't actually matter that much for film editing and rendering.

Anyway, turns out I might be interested in those CPUs myself too. I had been asking questions about the i5-9600K cause I wanted to buy one, but I'm starting to wonder whether I might make a better choice by picking the 3600/3600X over it. I will be overclocking it most probably, and will mostly use it in gaming scenarios, although I do sometimes do a bit of editing and run C, C++ and Python based programs. In both the Intel and AMD scenarios I'd probably get a new mobo and cooler (current MSI Z370 A-PRO and Be Quiet! Pure Rock on an i3-8350K @4.5GHz). But prices on the X-570 mobos seem like a real issue to me right now, so I'd probably settle for an X-470 I guess ? I don't know whether the non-X version of the 3600 is better or worse for overclocking either, nor what cooler or X-470 mobo I should go for.

As for AMD GPUs, I'm wondering whether the RX 5700 XT could be worth an upgrade from my GTX 1070 once aftermarket cooling solutions and drivers are fully sorted out. I'm currently playing at 1080p144 with a FreeSync compatible monitor, which is why I'd be interested in AMD GPUs. I don't think I will be making the switch to 1440p anytime soon cause I care about the refresh rate and would probably need at least an RTX 2080 to make really good use of 1440p144, not to mention screen tearing in that case unless I pay extra to get a G-SYNC monitor. My only concern is whether that decision would be enough of a future investment (e.g. will I be feeling like I should switch my GPU again in less than 2 or 3 years).

Thanks for the answer !
You say no mobo change would be required anyway, but would a B450 hinder overclock significantly on the 3600 ? Unless I'm missing the point and overclocking doesn't actually matter that much for film editing and rendering.

Anyway, turns out I might be interested in those CPUs myself too. I had been asking questions about the i5-9600K cause I wanted to buy one, but I'm starting to wonder whether I might make a better choice by picking the 3600/3600X over it. I will be overclocking it most probably, and will mostly use it in gaming scenarios, although I do sometimes do a bit of editing and run C, C++ and Python based programs. In both the Intel and AMD scenarios I'd probably get a new mobo and cooler (current MSI Z370 A-PRO and Be Quiet! Pure Rock on an i3-8350K @4.5GHz). But prices on the X-570 mobos seem like a real issue to me right now, so I'd probably settle for an X-470 I guess ? I don't know whether the non-X version of the 3600 is better or worse for overclocking either, nor what cooler or X-470 mobo I should go for.

As for AMD GPUs, I'm wondering whether the RX 5700 XT could be worth an upgrade from my GTX 1070 once aftermarket cooling solutions and drivers are fully sorted out. I'm currently playing at 1080p144 with a FreeSync compatible monitor, which is why I'd be interested in AMD GPUs. I don't think I will be making the switch to 1440p anytime soon cause I care about the refresh rate and would probably need at least an RTX 2080 to make really good use of 1440p144, not to mention screen tearing in that case unless I pay extra to get a G-SYNC monitor. My only concern is whether that decision would be enough of a future investment (e.g. will I be feeling like I should switch my GPU again in less than 2 or 3 years).
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#3337
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#3336
Define "near future".

Current CPU?
Destiny 2 (and Cyberpunk etc.) should be GPU-bound, especially after a CPU upgrade so I don't think you'll get 150 fps.

Rendering is basically infinitely parallelizable so it will use all the cores.

#3337
It's about the mobo and especially the VRMs, not the chipset.
Overclock does matter but 10% are 10%. He's not going to push a 2600 to 5 GHz so any 8 core CPU will win. The 2600 is neither here nor there. For single threaded/games he'd want the 3600 and if less ST is fine because the games are GPU-bound anyway he might as well go for more cheaper cores like clearance sales or used 1700(X)/1800X/2700(X) or even a 1900X/1920X if he wants to get really weird.

You don't really need the extra cores. Throwing out the cooler and mobo doesn't make sense either. A 3600(X) isn't really going to be faster than an overclocked 9600K(F) and a 3600(X) + mobo + cooler sure as hell aren't going to be cheaper than just the 9600K either.

An aftermarket 5700 XT would be a minor upgrade but again where are you going with this? NVidia finally caved in and supports Adaptive Sync now no matter how much they are trying to rebrand and hide it so what's stopping you from using it?

#3336
Define "near future".

Current CPU?
Destiny 2 (and Cyberpunk etc.) should be GPU-bound, especially after a CPU upgrade so I don't think you'll get 150 fps.

Rendering is basically infinitely parallelizable so it will use all the cores.

#3337
It's about the mobo and especially the VRMs, not the chipset.
Overclock does matter but 10% are 10%. He's not going to push a 2600 to 5 GHz so any 8 core CPU will win. The 2600 is neither here nor there. For single threaded/games he'd want the 3600 and if less ST is fine because the games are GPU-bound anyway he might as well go for more cheaper cores like clearance sales or used 1700(X)/1800X/2700(X) or even a 1900X/1920X if he wants to get really weird.

You don't really need the extra cores. Throwing out the cooler and mobo doesn't make sense either. A 3600(X) isn't really going to be faster than an overclocked 9600K(F) and a 3600(X) + mobo + cooler sure as hell aren't going to be cheaper than just the 9600K either.

An aftermarket 5700 XT would be a minor upgrade but again where are you going with this? NVidia finally caved in and supports Adaptive Sync now no matter how much they are trying to rebrand and hide it so what's stopping you from using it?
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#3338
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Well a used 2700X sounds like a pretty good idea indeed, thanks for the suggestion I'll look into that. Any suggestions for mobos and coolers ?

As for me, I guess the GPU change doesn't really make sense after all, might as well wait some more for real big upgrades to come out.
As far as CPU goes however, my reason for saying I was probably gonna change both mobo and cooler were because I might sell CPU+mobo+cooler to another friend of mine who wanted a fairly cheap gaming build opportunity. I guess if he changes his mind I'll keep them and settle for a 4.5 GHz overclock on the 9600K instead of 4.8/5.0 so as to not have it fry.
But if he doesn't and I have to go for brand new CPU+mobo+cooler I'm still unsure what the better option is.

Well a used 2700X sounds like a pretty good idea indeed, thanks for the suggestion I'll look into that. Any suggestions for mobos and coolers ?

As for me, I guess the GPU change doesn't really make sense after all, might as well wait some more for real big upgrades to come out.
As far as CPU goes however, my reason for saying I was probably gonna change both mobo and cooler were because I might sell CPU+mobo+cooler to another friend of mine who wanted a fairly cheap gaming build opportunity. I guess if he changes his mind I'll keep them and settle for a 4.5 GHz overclock on the 9600K instead of 4.8/5.0 so as to not have it fry.
But if he doesn't and I have to go for brand new CPU+mobo+cooler I'm still unsure what the better option is.
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#3339
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Setsul#3336
Define "near future".

Current CPU?
Destiny 2 (and Cyberpunk etc.) should be GPU-bound, especially after a CPU upgrade so I don't think you'll get 150 fps.

Rendering is basically infinitely parallelizable so it will use all the cores.

Near future being within the next month or so, unless there's going to be a bunch of new 3000 series chipset motherboards out later than that.

Current CPU is a 2500k clocked to 4.5ghz. Not great news about the GPU but I can always turn graphics down and try an overclock if I feel the need to. Ngl I forget at times it's really just source games that are severely CPU bound.

[quote=Setsul]#3336
Define "near future".

Current CPU?
Destiny 2 (and Cyberpunk etc.) should be GPU-bound, especially after a CPU upgrade so I don't think you'll get 150 fps.

Rendering is basically infinitely parallelizable so it will use all the cores.
[/quote]

Near future being within the next month or so, unless there's going to be a bunch of new 3000 series chipset motherboards out later than that.

Current CPU is a 2500k clocked to 4.5ghz. Not great news about the GPU but I can always turn graphics down and try an overclock if I feel the need to. Ngl I forget at times it's really just source games that are severely CPU bound.
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#3340
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3600 + 2060 Super for 1080
how chad am I?

3600 + 2060 Super for 1080
how chad am I?
3341
#3341
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#3339
At least B350 obviously, he doesn't really need to OC so pretty much anything will do. Maybe someone is selling both CPU and mobo to get PCIe 4.0.
Same thing with the cooler, even if he wants to oc any thick (not slim) single tower or dual tower should be ok-ish, just depends on what's cheap. I've seen 50$ coolers for 90€ because god knows why.

4.5 isn't much of an overclock for a CPU that can boost to 4.6. You can always replace the cooler and/or delid the CPU if you do run into thermal problems. Deciding what overclock you'll be able to run before you even got the chip and know whether it's good or bad seems a bit strange.

#3340
Well I don't know when exactly B550 is being released.
Either way I'll wait for street prices to settle before making a partlist.

#3339
At least B350 obviously, he doesn't really need to OC so pretty much anything will do. Maybe someone is selling both CPU and mobo to get PCIe 4.0.
Same thing with the cooler, even if he wants to oc any thick (not slim) single tower or dual tower should be ok-ish, just depends on what's cheap. I've seen 50$ coolers for 90€ because god knows why.

4.5 isn't much of an overclock for a CPU that can boost to 4.6. You can always replace the cooler and/or delid the CPU if you do run into thermal problems. Deciding what overclock you'll be able to run before you even got the chip and know whether it's good or bad seems a bit strange.

#3340
Well I don't know when exactly B550 is being released.
Either way I'll wait for street prices to settle before making a partlist.
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#3342
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Alright, guess things are settled for my friend's PC pretty much.
Now for mine, let's assume I've sold cpu+mobo+cooler to my other friend. I now need to buy all three : in that case, should I go for the 9600K, the 3600 or the 3600X ? Usage is the same as described in 2nd paragraph of #3337, and ideally I'd still want to overclock to get as much as possible out of my 1070.

Alright, guess things are settled for my friend's PC pretty much.
Now for mine, let's assume I've sold cpu+mobo+cooler to my other friend. I now need to buy all three : in that case, should I go for the 9600K, the 3600 or the 3600X ? Usage is the same as described in 2nd paragraph of #3337, and ideally I'd still want to overclock to get as much as possible out of my 1070.
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#3343
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Setsul#3340
Well I don't know when exactly B550 is being released.
Either way I'll wait for street prices to settle before making a partlist.

Thanks man, appreciated as always.

[quote=Setsul]#3340
Well I don't know when exactly B550 is being released.
Either way I'll wait for street prices to settle before making a partlist.[/quote]

Thanks man, appreciated as always.
3344
#3344
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#3343
3600 would be the cheapest, 3600X for editing, 9600K for games. Still a massively weird sidegrade. Essentially 500€ for 3% better performance in games.

#3343
3600 would be the cheapest, 3600X for editing, 9600K for games. Still a massively weird sidegrade. Essentially 500€ for 3% better performance in games.
3345
#3345
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Do you mean 3% better performance compared to having an i3-8350K ? Or between 3600(X) and 9600K ?

Do you mean 3% better performance compared to having an i3-8350K ? Or between 3600(X) and 9600K ?
3346
#3346
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Compated to the 8350K. I mean realistically in what game that is programmed well enough to use more than 4 threads are you limited by a 8350K at 4.5 GHz? So it's just down to the clockrate.

I mean sure a 3600(X) would be nice for rendering because going from 4 to 12 threads should be around twice as fast but on the other hand even a 9900K (let alone a 9700K) is cheaper than buying a CPU and a mobo and a cooler and that's faster at stock than either option.

EDIT: My point is you've got a CPU and mobo that are barely over one and a half years old, if even that, now is not the time to upgrade. New shiny things are released every year. Doesn't mean you have to upgrade every year.
Same for the GPU.

Compated to the 8350K. I mean realistically in what game that is programmed well enough to use more than 4 threads are you limited by a 8350K at 4.5 GHz? So it's just down to the clockrate.

I mean sure a 3600(X) would be nice for rendering because going from 4 to 12 threads should be around twice as fast but on the other hand even a 9900K (let alone a 9700K) is cheaper than buying a CPU and a mobo and a cooler and that's faster at stock than either option.

EDIT: My point is you've got a CPU and mobo that are barely over one and a half years old, if even that, now is not the time to upgrade. New shiny things are released every year. Doesn't mean you have to upgrade every year.
Same for the GPU.
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#3347
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Alright, I think you have a fair point. I'll wait for bigger upgrades in the coming years.
Would you have any tips for pushing my i3 to 4.7-8 GHz ? I'm pretty convinced I could manage it with decent temps. I'm currently on 1.250 V for 4.5 GHz, and when I tried 4.8 on slightly higher voltages, my PC would just bluescreen after around a minute. Now I couldn't tell if it was a temp problem or if I actually just needed to up the voltage slightly more. Haven't pushed past 1.280 V so I guess there's still a bit of room for it if that's the right parameter to change. If it's not I guess I just need a better cooler if I wanna reach 4.8 or even 5.0 ?

Alright, I think you have a fair point. I'll wait for bigger upgrades in the coming years.
Would you have any tips for pushing my i3 to 4.7-8 GHz ? I'm pretty convinced I could manage it with decent temps. I'm currently on 1.250 V for 4.5 GHz, and when I tried 4.8 on slightly higher voltages, my PC would just bluescreen after around a minute. Now I couldn't tell if it was a temp problem or if I actually just needed to up the voltage slightly more. Haven't pushed past 1.280 V so I guess there's still a bit of room for it if that's the right parameter to change. If it's not I guess I just need a better cooler if I wanna reach 4.8 or even 5.0 ?
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#3348
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Temp problem wouldn't bluescreen.
There are other voltages than VCore you know?
You might have to lower the cache frequency as well.

Just read a guide, but 1.280V for 4.8 would be quite low. If you needed 1.250V for 4.5 there is absolutely no way it'll make 4.8 with 1.280V. Anything under 1.4V should be safe, 1.35V if you're really careful, but you're more likely to run into temp problems before you reach unsafe voltages.

Temp problem wouldn't bluescreen.
There are other voltages than VCore you know?
You might have to lower the cache frequency as well.

Just read a guide, but 1.280V for 4.8 would be quite low. If you needed 1.250V for 4.5 there is absolutely no way it'll make 4.8 with 1.280V. Anything under 1.4V should be safe, 1.35V if you're really careful, but you're more likely to run into temp problems before you reach unsafe voltages.
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#3349
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I think I just kept the other voltages to the auto values as I had read in several guides, but maybe I'd need to look deeper into that. What's the impact of cache frequency on overclocking ?
As for VCore I guess I'll gradually go above 1.3 and see how stable and cool it can stay.

I think I just kept the other voltages to the auto values as I had read in several guides, but maybe I'd need to look deeper into that. What's the impact of cache frequency on overclocking ?
As for VCore I guess I'll gradually go above 1.3 and see how stable and cool it can stay.
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#3350
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Yeah, depending on your RAM and the error messages it could be VCCIO or VCCSA that need a bit more instead of Vcore, once you get it reasonably stable.
What do you mean what's the impact? Lower frequencies are more stable.

Yeah, depending on your RAM and the error messages it could be VCCIO or VCCSA that need a bit more instead of Vcore, once you get it reasonably stable.
What do you mean what's the impact? Lower frequencies are more stable.
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#3351
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Well I knew lower frequencies were more stable overall, otherwise we'd be underclocking probably instead of overclocking, I just didn't know that the one for the CPU cache actually made a difference. How should I approach lowering its value tho ? Gradually too ? How much per step in that case ?

Well I knew lower frequencies were more stable overall, otherwise we'd be underclocking probably instead of overclocking, I just didn't know that the one for the CPU cache actually made a difference. How should I approach lowering its value tho ? Gradually too ? How much per step in that case ?
3352
#3352
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No, we wouldn't be underclocking because that lowers the performance.
However the cache doesn't make too much of a difference and on Skylake there's not separate voltage for it so if the cache is the problem you either need to bump up vcore even more, which leads to temp problems or lower the cache frequency.

I'm not sure what guide you've been reading but this should've been covered. Either way that's not really a build question anymore.
Find a better guide with a bit more details than "just up vcore until it stops crashing" and you'll figure it out.

No, we wouldn't be underclocking because that lowers the performance.
However the cache doesn't make too much of a difference and on Skylake there's not separate voltage for it so if the cache is the problem you either need to bump up vcore even more, which leads to temp problems or lower the cache frequency.

I'm not sure what guide you've been reading but this should've been covered. Either way that's not really a build question anymore.
Find a better guide with a bit more details than "just up vcore until it stops crashing" and you'll figure it out.
3353
#3353
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Another standard "is this a good build?" post here.

Things I am unsure about:
Is this the best value processor? I know ryzen has just come out but I have heard it isn't that great for overclocking so is this the right way to go? (single core performance is important for the game I am mostly building this for)
Is the m.2 drive worth it over a similar normal ssd? About £30 difference from what I can see.
Should I go for the 2070 or the 2060 super? Very similar prices in the UK it seems. Or is the extra £100 going to be worth it for 2070 super?
I have no clue what a good mobo is so I just picked one that was at a good price so advice on this would be appreciated.

Racing games in VR should be the most taxing thing I do on this computer so focusing on building for that. Also interested in some other vr games such as pavlov and AAA games at 144fps 1080p without super low graphics settings would be nice.

Budget is absolute max £1500 but the closer to £1300 the better

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qxfDD2

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£219.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£86.61 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£159.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£78.88 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£100.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£54.69 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card (£432.22 @ Box Limited)
Case: NZXT - H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£71.49 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1274.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-13 11:30 BST+0100

Thanks!

Another standard "is this a good build?" post here.

Things I am unsure about:
Is this the best value processor? I know ryzen has just come out but I have heard it isn't that great for overclocking so is this the right way to go? (single core performance is important for the game I am mostly building this for)
Is the m.2 drive worth it over a similar normal ssd? About £30 difference from what I can see.
Should I go for the 2070 or the 2060 super? Very similar prices in the UK it seems. Or is the extra £100 going to be worth it for 2070 super?
I have no clue what a good mobo is so I just picked one that was at a good price so advice on this would be appreciated.

Racing games in VR should be the most taxing thing I do on this computer so focusing on building for that. Also interested in some other vr games such as pavlov and AAA games at 144fps 1080p without super low graphics settings would be nice.

Budget is absolute max £1500 but the closer to £1300 the better

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qxfDD2

CPU: Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£219.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£86.61 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£159.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£78.88 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£100.98 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£54.69 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card (£432.22 @ Box Limited)
Case: NZXT - H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£69.95 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£71.49 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1274.39
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-13 11:30 BST+0100

Thanks!
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#3354
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Best value for what? The goal isn't the overclock, it's the overall performance. Well what is the mysterious game that you're building it for where single core performance is important? Why are you buying a 6 core CPU if you want single core performance?
Usua aio water cooler disclaimer: https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#557
M.2 is just the connection/form factor. This is about NVMe vs SATA and speed in general. Is a faster SSD worth it over a slower SSD? There's no universal answer to this question.
Well first you'd have to find a 2060 Super that's actually in stock. A 2070 should be faster though. The cheapest 5700 XT that's in stock is cheaper and faster than either, so that's a thing too.
About the 2070 Super: Well how much performance do you need? If a 2070 is fast enough it's 100£ for no benefit. If you desperately need it to get x fps in game y then the normal 2070 isn't really an option.
We'll deal with the mobo later. It's ok, but there might be cheaper options.

Could you be a bit more specific about the games? I won't google "benchmarks for racing games in VR" and hope it's the right one.

Closer to 1300£ or lower than 1300?

Best value for what? The goal isn't the overclock, it's the overall performance. Well what is the mysterious game that you're building it for where single core performance is important? Why are you buying a 6 core CPU if you want single core performance?
Usua aio water cooler disclaimer: https://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#557
M.2 is just the connection/form factor. This is about NVMe vs SATA and speed in general. Is a faster SSD worth it over a slower SSD? There's no universal answer to this question.
Well first you'd have to find a 2060 Super that's actually in stock. A 2070 should be faster though. The cheapest 5700 XT that's in stock is cheaper and faster than either, so that's a thing too.
About the 2070 Super: Well how much performance do you need? If a 2070 is fast enough it's 100£ for no benefit. If you desperately need it to get x fps in game y then the normal 2070 isn't really an option.
We'll deal with the mobo later. It's ok, but there might be cheaper options.

Could you be a bit more specific about the games? I won't google "benchmarks for racing games in VR" and hope it's the right one.

Closer to 1300£ or lower than 1300?
3355
#3355
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Game is iRacing. The general consensus seems to be that the game uses two cores mainly - one for all of the physics calculations and one for everything else it needs. Can find more detail if needed.
Here is a link to a cpu performance chart for vr that someone made on the forums https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=DA45F78504F37E2E!15380&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!AHDrJxOF3T5xS_E
Just looked into the 5700XT and that does seem like a good shout so may be going for that - the super was mostly considered for future proofing but based on the price of the AMD it may just be better to buy a new gpu when I actually need more power instead.
£1300 would be the ideal amount for my needs I feel but it is just a ballpark figure so I don't mind higher or lower if I estimated the performance I need badly.

Game is iRacing. The general consensus seems to be that the game uses two cores mainly - one for all of the physics calculations and one for everything else it needs. Can find more detail if needed.
Here is a link to a cpu performance chart for vr that someone made on the forums https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=DA45F78504F37E2E!15380&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!AHDrJxOF3T5xS_E
Just looked into the 5700XT and that does seem like a good shout so may be going for that - the super was mostly considered for future proofing but based on the price of the AMD it may just be better to buy a new gpu when I actually need more power instead.
£1300 would be the ideal amount for my needs I feel but it is just a ballpark figure so I don't mind higher or lower if I estimated the performance I need badly.
3356
#3356
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Yes, that's something I can work with.
There's a lot of guesswork involved, impact of RAM speed, scaling in general and I think those are CPU-Z benchmark results instead of anything ingame but this means that at stock a 3600X (4.4 GHz 1-2 core boost) would perform either the same or better than a 9600K (4.6 single, 4.5 dual core boost). The whole limitation of not getting past 4.3-4.4 all core is not a concern because you only care about the 1-2 core boost clock, which PB2 should automatically bump up.

Either way the "best value" would actually be a 9350KF, unless you're going to run something else that's CPU limited and uses more than 4 threads.

Yeah, future proofing isn't really a thing. Price to performance ratio only gets worse past ~300£.

Why would 1300£ be ideal? Usually less is always appreciated.

Yes, that's something I can work with.
There's a lot of guesswork involved, impact of RAM speed, scaling in general and I think those are CPU-Z benchmark results instead of anything ingame but this means that at stock a 3600X (4.4 GHz 1-2 core boost) would perform either the same or better than a 9600K (4.6 single, 4.5 dual core boost). The whole limitation of not getting past 4.3-4.4 all core is not a concern because you only care about the 1-2 core boost clock, which PB2 should automatically bump up.

Either way the "best value" would actually be a 9350KF, unless you're going to run something else that's CPU limited and uses more than 4 threads.

Yeah, future proofing isn't really a thing. Price to performance ratio only gets worse past ~300£.

Why would 1300£ be ideal? Usually less is always appreciated.
3357
#3357
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laptop recommendations for college.
going math, so i shouldnt need anything to powerful.
budget is $600
biggest concern is durability, I want it to last 4 years while being carried around everywhere
second concern is battery life

laptop recommendations for college.
going math, so i shouldnt need anything to powerful.
budget is $600
biggest concern is durability, I want it to last 4 years while being carried around everywhere
second concern is battery life
3358
#3358
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buy a thinkpad and spend the rest of your budget on drugs

buy a thinkpad and spend the rest of your budget on drugs
3359
#3359
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current build is

PSU: corsair cx750m
CPU: intel 4590 3.3ghz
8gb RAM
mobo: ASrock h97 anniversary
gfx: 1050ti
100gb SSD
1tb hard drive
144hz monitor

looking to upgrade, goal is constant 250+ fps in both 6s and HL (and 144+ in csgo and overwatch i guess). wondering what I should keep and what i should replace, and what to replace it with. no set budget but dont want to spend too much more than 500$

current build is

PSU: corsair cx750m
CPU: intel 4590 3.3ghz
8gb RAM
mobo: ASrock h97 anniversary
gfx: 1050ti
100gb SSD
1tb hard drive
144hz monitor

looking to upgrade, goal is constant 250+ fps in both 6s and HL (and 144+ in csgo and overwatch i guess). wondering what I should keep and what i should replace, and what to replace it with. no set budget but dont want to spend too much more than 500$
3360
#3360
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plusProton

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4wkCjy
this could work maybe?
i believe u don't need a cpu to update the bios on msi motherboards so that shouldn't be too much of a problem
i'm hoping 3rd gen ryzen is decent for cpu since it seems to be for csgo
also you're gonna need new ram since the one you have rn is ddr3

you can upgrade to 16gb of ram, a newer better ssd, or a good cooler for ur cpu if u want to spend all ur 500$

[quote=plusProton][/quote]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4wkCjy
this could work maybe?
i believe u don't need a cpu to update the bios on msi motherboards so that shouldn't be too much of a problem
i'm hoping 3rd gen ryzen is decent for cpu since it seems to be for csgo
also you're gonna need new ram since the one you have rn is ddr3

you can upgrade to 16gb of ram, a newer better ssd, or a good cooler for ur cpu if u want to spend all ur 500$
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