I have no problem with using adblock, but trying to get it to be used by every random schmoe on the web is a silly idea. If its use tips the scale enough, ads will evolve to a point where they can't be blocked at all. I'm honestly surprised they're not there already.
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I have no problem with using adblock, but trying to get it to be used by every random schmoe on the web is a silly idea. If its use tips the scale enough, ads will evolve to a point where they can't be blocked at all. I'm honestly surprised they're not there already.
the301stspartanPlankIn my point of view, this is going to drive YouTube, Twitch.tv and other websites which use ads to fund their websites out of business. I will not download an app to skip a 30 second add, I want to support those YouTubers in any way I can.
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul
Google AdWords is Google's main advertising product and main source of revenue. Google's total advertising revenues were USD$42.5 billion in 2012.
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdWords
-http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
[quote=the301stspartan][quote=Plank]In my point of view, this is going to drive YouTube, Twitch.tv and other websites which use ads to fund their websites out of business. I will not download an app to skip a 30 second add, I want to support those YouTubers in any way I can.[/quote]
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul[/quote]
[quote]Google AdWords is Google's main advertising product and main source of revenue. Google's total advertising revenues were USD$42.5 billion in 2012.[/quote]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdWords
-http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul[/quote]
[quote]Google AdWords is Google's main advertising product and main source of revenue. Google's total advertising revenues were USD$42.5 billion in 2012.[/quote]
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdWords
-http://investor.google.com/financial/tables.html
we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
conductorwe need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
[quote=conductor]we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
Kanecoconductorwe need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
[quote=Kaneco][quote=conductor]we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
conductorwe need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake
BUY SKYRIM
BUY IT
[quote=conductor]we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake[/quote]
BUY SKYRIM
BUY IT
BUY SKYRIM
BUY IT
As hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.
As hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.
2sy_morphiendAs hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.
[quote=2sy_morphiend]As hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.[/quote]
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.[/quote]
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.
the301stspartan2sy_morphiendAs hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.
Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.
[quote=the301stspartan][quote=2sy_morphiend]As hooli pointed out before and afai(and everyone I've talked to)k, there's no revenue unless you're clicking the ads.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.[/quote]
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.[/quote]
Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.
I have 0 intention of ever clicking an ad. Ever.[/quote]
But that's wrong. Google gets money for displaying the ads. The companies obviously get money from people buying their products. That's how advertisment works.[/quote]
Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.
you pay google based on clicks as well, not based on how many sites your banner shows up on
you pay google based on clicks as well, not based on how many sites your banner shows up on
The sites get money weather or not people click on them. It's called exposure...
The sites get money weather or not people click on them. It's called exposure...
the301stspartanPlankIn my point of view, this is going to drive YouTube, Twitch.tv and other websites which use ads to fund their websites out of business. I will not download an app to skip a 30 second add, I want to support those YouTubers in any way I can.
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul
So you think a rich man would just keep a failing business open?
But on the other hand I have to eat my words because I remember reading this a few years back: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/04/14/1630239/google-losing-up-to-165m-a-day-on-youtube so perhaps Google has some sort of "internet ideology/agenda" by keeping Youtube up.
Or maybe Youtube doesn't actually lose Google money.
[quote=the301stspartan][quote=Plank]In my point of view, this is going to drive YouTube, Twitch.tv and other websites which use ads to fund their websites out of business. I will not download an app to skip a 30 second add, I want to support those YouTubers in any way I can.[/quote]
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul[/quote]
So you think a rich man would just keep a failing business open?
But on the other hand I have to eat my words because I remember reading this a few years back: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/04/14/1630239/google-losing-up-to-165m-a-day-on-youtube so perhaps Google has some sort of "internet ideology/agenda" by keeping Youtube up.
Or maybe Youtube doesn't actually lose Google money.
Youtube.
Owned by Google.
Out of business.
lul[/quote]
So you think a rich man would just keep a failing business open?
But on the other hand I have to eat my words because I remember reading this a few years back: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/04/14/1630239/google-losing-up-to-165m-a-day-on-youtube so perhaps Google has some sort of "internet ideology/agenda" by keeping Youtube up.
Or maybe Youtube doesn't actually lose Google money.
Guess google ads is different, but a couple other sites I've been on get money each time the ad is viewed, so when people turn on adblock they are actively losing money.
Guess google ads is different, but a couple other sites I've been on get money each time the ad is viewed, so when people turn on adblock they are actively losing money.
bearodactylGuess google ads is different, but a couple other sites I've been on get money each time the ad is viewed, so when people turn on adblock they are actively losing money.
Considering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.
[quote=bearodactyl]Guess google ads is different, but a couple other sites I've been on get money each time the ad is viewed, so when people turn on adblock they are actively losing money.[/quote]
Considering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.
Considering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.
Just waiting for every site to have hulu-esque ads as they are unblockable.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.
Just waiting for every site to have hulu-esque ads as they are unblockable.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.
ToastyTHTJust waiting for every site to have hulu-esque ads as they are unblockable.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.
Or worse, companies lobby for Adblock software to be banned outright because they inevitably cannot keep ahead of Adblock. Defense, whether it be trying to make your ads unblockable or trying to keep adblock legal, is never a winning proposition.
[quote=ToastyTHT]Just waiting for every site to have hulu-esque ads as they are unblockable.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.[/quote]
Or worse, companies lobby for Adblock software to be banned outright because they inevitably cannot keep ahead of Adblock. Defense, whether it be trying to make your ads unblockable or trying to keep adblock legal, is never a winning proposition.
Or imagine having a 15 second ad every time you view a page.[/quote]
Or worse, companies lobby for Adblock software to be banned outright because they inevitably cannot keep ahead of Adblock. Defense, whether it be trying to make your ads unblockable or trying to keep adblock legal, is never a winning proposition.
2sy_morphiendConsidering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.
Enigma is not some all mighty internet god that knows everything. There are various types of internet ads, ppc are the most commong, but there are CPM, CPA, PPP, email marketing, social marketing, etc etc etc....
I know this from experience since I played around in Internet Marketing for 2 years while I was on college.
In fact, ppc isn't even the best choice, there are plenty of better choices to monetize a website if you know what you are doing and if the website has a market for it.
Having said this, promoting the use of adblock universally is bad no matter what
2sy_morphiendUnless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.
I would also advise you to read this page: http://teamfortress.tv/s/advertise to know what you said is not true
[quote=2sy_morphiend]
Considering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.[/quote]
Enigma is not some all mighty internet god that knows everything. There are various types of internet ads, ppc are the most commong, but there are CPM, CPA, PPP, email marketing, social marketing, etc etc etc....
I know this from experience since I played around in Internet Marketing for 2 years while I was on college.
In fact, ppc isn't even the best choice, there are plenty of better choices to monetize a website if you know what you are doing and if the website has a market for it.
Having said this, promoting the use of adblock universally is bad no matter what
[quote=2sy_morphiend]
Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.[/quote]
I would also advise you to read this page: http://teamfortress.tv/s/advertise to know what you said is not true
Considering that enigma explicitly said in the last thread about this that the ads are ppc and not ppi, unless you are clicking ads you are contributing nothing.
If anyone here is seriously concerned about google's profit margin, I have literally nothing to say to you other than seek help immediately.[/quote]
Enigma is not some all mighty internet god that knows everything. There are various types of internet ads, ppc are the most commong, but there are CPM, CPA, PPP, email marketing, social marketing, etc etc etc....
I know this from experience since I played around in Internet Marketing for 2 years while I was on college.
In fact, ppc isn't even the best choice, there are plenty of better choices to monetize a website if you know what you are doing and if the website has a market for it.
Having said this, promoting the use of adblock universally is bad no matter what
[quote=2sy_morphiend]
Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.[/quote]
I would also advise you to read this page: http://teamfortress.tv/s/advertise to know what you said is not true
skyrideAround 70% of the viewers on Twitch.tv use ad block.
Wow. I suppose when your target audience are people that are generally pretty knowledgeably about computers that is to be expected but still. I personally disable adblock on twitch because the ads really aren't that bad and they have to pay for a shitload of infrastructure.
[quote=skyride][b]Around 70% of the viewers on Twitch.tv use ad block.[/b]
[/quote]
Wow. I suppose when your target audience are people that are generally pretty knowledgeably about computers that is to be expected but still. I personally disable adblock on twitch because the ads really aren't that bad and they have to pay for a shitload of infrastructure.
[/quote]
Wow. I suppose when your target audience are people that are generally pretty knowledgeably about computers that is to be expected but still. I personally disable adblock on twitch because the ads really aren't that bad and they have to pay for a shitload of infrastructure.
i for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot
i for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot
RenhetI don't think that blocking intrusive, flashy, irritating ads is selfish. I don't even have OCD but goddamn.
that fucking roman orgy ad, man
[quote=Renhet]I don't think that blocking intrusive, flashy, irritating ads is selfish. I don't even have OCD but goddamn.[/quote]
that fucking roman orgy ad, man
that fucking roman orgy ad, man
2sy_morphiendUnless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.
adsense supposedly maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them
[quote=2sy_morphiend]Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.[/quote]
adsense [i]supposedly[/i] maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them
adsense [i]supposedly[/i] maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them
Kanecothings
How are you not understanding that the ads on tf.tv are ppc. Is this impossible to figure out? I am talking solely about tf.tv and adblock's interaction with it.
I don't give a shit about how other people are doing things, as far as tf.tv is concerned if you are not clicking the ads you are not contributing to ad revenue end of story.
enigma2sy_morphiendUnless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.adsense supposedly maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them
So, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all (or may as well be) ads here are ppc? Because if they are a mix then there's some argument for not having adblock, if there isn't any real mix and it's all ppc then anyone claiming that turning off adblock is a solution to ad revenue is talking out their ass.
[quote=Kaneco]things[/quote]
How are you not understanding that the ads on tf.tv are ppc. Is this impossible to figure out? I am talking solely about tf.tv and adblock's interaction with it.
I don't give a shit about how other people are doing things, as far as tf.tv is concerned if you are not clicking the ads you are not contributing to ad revenue end of story.
[quote=enigma][quote=2sy_morphiend]Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.[/quote]
adsense [i]supposedly[/i] maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them[/quote]
So, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all (or may as well be) ads here are ppc? Because if they are a mix then there's some argument for not having adblock, if there isn't any real mix and it's all ppc then anyone claiming that turning off adblock is a solution to ad revenue is talking out their ass.
How are you not understanding that the ads on tf.tv are ppc. Is this impossible to figure out? I am talking solely about tf.tv and adblock's interaction with it.
I don't give a shit about how other people are doing things, as far as tf.tv is concerned if you are not clicking the ads you are not contributing to ad revenue end of story.
[quote=enigma][quote=2sy_morphiend]Unless the last thread about this was completely inaccurate from start to finish, tf.tv doesn't see a cent unless the ads are clicked. As for twitch where the money comes from number of people viewing an ad, that's a different story. As far as JUST banner ads go, unless you are actively clicking ads you are contributing as much to site upkeep as someone with adblock on.[/quote]
adsense [i]supposedly[/i] maximizes revenue by displaying a mix of CPC and CPM ads, but they're a pretty terrible CPM network so almost all of what you see ends up being CPC
I ran CPM ads from valueclick for a wee bit on the bottom right but people started complaining about popups (not supposed to happen) so I removed them[/quote]
So, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all (or may as well be) ads here are ppc? Because if they are a mix then there's some argument for not having adblock, if there isn't any real mix and it's all ppc then anyone claiming that turning off adblock is a solution to ad revenue is talking out their ass.
mi for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot
man I made that post as a joke but this is just becoming more appealing by the second, please elite pimp kane can we make this happen
[quote=m]i for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot[/quote]
man I made that post as a joke but this is just becoming more appealing by the second, please elite pimp kane can we make this happen
man I made that post as a joke but this is just becoming more appealing by the second, please elite pimp kane can we make this happen
2sy_morphiendSo, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all ads here are ppc?
a majority, but not all
[quote=2sy_morphiend]So, just for clarification purposes, am I then right in saying that all ads here are ppc?[/quote]
a majority, but not all
a majority, but not all
mi for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot
could just bring back opt-in bitcoin mining
[quote=m]i for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot[/quote]
could just bring back opt-in bitcoin mining
could just bring back opt-in bitcoin mining
mi for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot
MORE BENQ ADVERTISEMENTS
[quote=m]i for one would have no problem seeing an old spice add on the process base wall in exchange for more money in the esea prize pot[/quote]
MORE BENQ ADVERTISEMENTS
MORE BENQ ADVERTISEMENTS
conductorwe need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
[quote=conductor]we need some more glorious in game advertising like in quake, I would love nothing more than to see a billboard with an advertisement for tampons on my way to mid, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. Like what about that sign that says maintenance where shithouse is on badlands, it could say maintenance, sponsored by Jonathan 'Fatal1ty' Wendel's Gamer Food
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