Holy hell, the last time I looked at Sunshine was rc1a because that was the last time I casted.

Looking at it now... I really need to fire this up in SFM, it's just a beautiful map.

This is true. So let's say the DotA comp scene started around 2005. It still had a good 6 year run before Dota 2 hit beta, and 8 years until Dota 2 was released. So I'd say it's been around a little longer than TF2 but not by much, and it's dead now.

I think the only thing big enough that wasn't CSS since it just came after 1.6 and leeched the scene from it might be DotA, which stayed around from 2003 until Dota 2's release in 2013 (2011 if you count beta). That's a good 10 years I guess, so I guess that's longer than TF2, but it's dead now and if TF2 stays alive a couple more years it'll surpass it.

Right now, I want you to go down the list of ESEA weapon bans, and share with me one weapon you think should be unbanned. I will give you a legitimately good reason for keeping that weapon banned.

Here's a friendly list if you're lazy.

Now, if you were trying to argue against ETF2L, maybe I could even slightly see an argument worth having. But ESEA?

Man I'm digging at my brain trying to prove you wrong but I really just can't. I guess CSS? That doesn't really count though. SC2 has been around since 2010, L4D2 since 2009. Maybe original DotA?

oh fuck you're serious?

Oh alright. I know I saw a couple of posts a few weeks ago encouraging more teams to sign up because ESEA would pull TF2 for the winter if they didn't meet the 50 team cutoff, and that they only had around 40 at the time. I guess that might have encouraged more people to sign up because now they're at a strong 83. I was genuinely worried for a little bit.

That's what the current numbers are, yes, I just didn't know if the 50 team cutoff was just for open, in which case we only barely met the cutoff considering that count was far lower a week or two ago, or if the count was all divisions combined in which case we're fine now.

Not quite on topic with OP but what are the current ESEA enrollments looking like? From what I can see, the NA Open division only just made the cutoff of 50 registered teams. Wasn't TF2 going to get pulled without 50? Or does that count include intermediate and invite as well?

I'm sorry I just

I keep reading this post and rereading it and I'm trying to make sense of it but it's literally just so retarded and unsourced I just can't even

what

Seriously god amongst gods.

things have gotten a bit busy lately, but i could take a look into yours particularly. mind reposting it?

Sorry for delays on the requested projects, guys. I've been a little busy lately working on getting a new comp team together, but I should start having more free time now.

PMed the info.

It's alright, I'll re-apply when I get back to an active schedule. Thanks anyway.