dammit I wanted to see how fog would respond to the fact that I'm a higher csgo rank than him too

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aren't you like a double ak? ROFL

when the email from valve rolls on in giving me a job as community weapon balance czar yall bitches will all be sorry

the main point that has become clear from this thread is that most people here would rather talk about themselves than about the person who's looking for a team

I wonder how many more days I need to wait before flame apologizes to me for being a fucking retard in this thread

river and devour are the same dude???

ah to be 12 again

I really don't understand this logic, as if valve is a cool guy that we spurned and is giving us the cold shoulder, rather than a private company whose only purpose is to earn profits for its executives and higher-up employees.

Valve doesn't support competitive tf2 because they don't see it as a feasible opportunity to MAKE MONEY anymore. Nothing more, nothing less. They are allocating their copious resources by supporting DOTA 2 first, and CSGO in a distant second, while tf2 is basically being maintained by like 3 interns.

Valve has a tried-and-true system of game developing. They find people who had the creative spark to make a great mod, buy out their franchise, and then put the other 95% of their employees on maintaining said games while the creative minds behind them in the first place move onto other projects, or set out on their own. The creative team behind tf2 is irrelevant and has been so for many years.

Valve had the opportunity to do many many things for competitive tf2 over the years, from the very big (hosting big money tournaments) to the medium (an in-game 6v6/hl lobby system, advanced spectator tools), to the rather small (not releasing updates 2 hrs before big matches, not breaking demos all the time, a competitive news tab and streams tab in the main window of the game, a nod to competitive players when it comes to weapon balance, posting about tf2 news on the FRONT PAGE of their website, generally acknowledging the comp scene's existence). They have done NONE of these things.

This false hope that big daddy Valve is gonna step in and save our game makes me want to vomit. It's shortsighted and it isn't what the great PC gaming DIY ethos should be about.

http://sizzlingstats.com/stats/233397

b4nny best demo in tf2

rip

The same people who liked the qf (div 4 retards and, for some reason, Classic Mixup) are advocating for this nerf. They were wrong there and they are wrong here.

That's my whole point in (somewhat) supporting a promod, and in at the very least not sucking valve's cock when it comes to game balance. Why should we care what they think or rely on their support when they do so little for us? People say we need the constant stream of pub players, but that stream is totally miniscule compared to the amount we could have if valve gave a shit. Maybe a really well-made promod, with spectator tools, custom huds/cfgs, lobby integration, better weapon balance, custom maps, tabs for competitive news and streams, and built-in access to teamfortress.tv as a community hub would attract pub players too. Maybe, while many fewer pub players would make the switch, a larger percentage of them would actually move onto playing comp.

Maybe extreme measures have to be taken to keep a 7-year old game alive.

It's possible to know enough about this game to effectively theorycraft without weeks, months, years of playtesting.

Valve doesn't know enough about this game to do so. I have confidence that (some) competitive players do.

So many different parts of this post make it very clear that you basically skimmed my post(s) without even trying to comprehend what I was saying.

You're just talking out of your ass at this point.

"Demo is still a massive damage dealer". Have you seen ANY fucking logs??? Demos are bottomdamaging or barely outdamaging 1 or 2 players.

"follow up more efficiently on the lessened damage". What damage? Like I said, a huge amount of a demo's damage (minus everyone's favorite aspect of demo, roller spam) will just be totally worthless, not capable of being followed up on efficiently at all.

"He still locks down chokes." I thought the whole (shortsighted) pro-update argument was that he doesn't lock down chokes anymore.

"He still does huge damage." Again, you're full of shit.

You are right that this update affects every class as well; it makes them all a lot easier from a gamesense point of view. That's what tf2 needed, right? Fewer players with good positioning, comms and teamwork and more MGE allstars?