wallbugs are an engine bug not a map bug, and therefore by definition can neither be intended by the mapmaker, nor receive more than a bandaid fix by the mapmaker

other exploits and hiding spots are ambiguous but wallbugs are 100% never intended

Experimental post-Halloween version
Download: koth_bagel_fall_b2
Download: koth_bagel_fall_b3
EDIT: The lighting on b2 had an overpowering orange tint that made team recognition difficult, so I updated to a newer version with better lighting/visuals

Some of you probably played Cauldron (bagel_event) during Scream Fortress and noticed that there were some layout changes. These were ideas I'd been considering for a while but didn't want to waste an official version trying, so I made them on the Halloween version.

I've now de-halloweened it (actually I did this last year but didn't finish it) so that you can try out the changes and see which ones are beneficial to the map, and which aren't.

Changelog (compared to standard bagel):
Major
-Artstyle overhaul - NOT FINAL
-Centred Spawn building in Yard
-Opened Concrete entirely
-Changed Ramp into a slightly longer flank that no longer gives people holding in House visibility to Valley.
-House changed to accommodate this
-Added boiler housing to Ramp exit/Valley, providing additional cover and an easier jump route from Valley to Mid for scouts
-Climb route in Lobby replaced with a vent ~jump pad~ #controversial
-Added A Thing on Balcony, blocking snipers from holding too many angles from House at once, and acting as a perch spot for soldiers
-Buffed health on wood to Medium
Minor
-Clutter/cover changes around the map
-Various changes for visuals
-Added small platform jutting out from Mid on each side (this wasn't even in Cauldron and mostly I just hope it isn't invasive)

Screenshots:

Sunshine was added officially but Millstone (hellstone), Moonshine, Fifthcurve (brimstone) and Maple Ridge weren't.

Sunshine being added officially may have had something to do with being a competitive staple at the time, during a competitive update.

But! If people like Bagel a lot then hey maybe! I can dream!

i wish lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbsafNyUyuQ

Goo is genuinely the reason I took any notice of competitive or decided to map for it.

Thanks! It's kinda surreal honestly.

There's some changes I experimented with in the halloween version that I'd be interested on hearing opinions about, such as the modified flank and the more central spawn.

if yall get this bug pls post pics so i can send em to valve and prove this bug exists so they can fix it lmao

That's your experience. This may be surprising to you but everyone is different and reacts differently to different things. For a lot of people it just saps the fun out of it.

If you want a scene that only caters to people who like hurling abuse at each other, that's gonna severely limit who can and can't participate.

I don't think people inside the scene realise the reputation Competitive TF2 has, thanks to attitudes like Pred's and the (seemingly) overwhelming acceptance of it by the rest of the scene.

When (to outsiders) your scene is defined by racism and toxicity, the only people you're gonna be able to convince to join it are people who share those attitudes, people who tolerate them, or people who somehow avoided learning of the reputation.

If the scene starts making permanent changes like these, toward trying to stamp out those attitudes, it will become much easier to convince new players to get involved.

It's a shame it took multiple high-profile cases for people to reconsider how the competitive scene deals with its behaviour problems, but I'm glad its finally happening and hope that there's real, permanent change as a result.

All the efforts made to get new players involved in competitive are wasted until the scene can shed its reputation of being the most vile, toxic part of the TF2 community, and I wish you all good luck in doing that.

"so what we should just ban everyone who says the n-word now?"

yes please, learn to act like fucking adults

you've genuinely been deluded by the internet if you don't think there's a difference between calling someone bad at video games and throwing slurs around.

I actually asked jill about letting community servers enforce this a while back, he said he'd look into it but that it probably wouldnt work as intended

A while ago I made one of these for my own map and decided to make some for the rest of the maps.

The idea was to cut out all non-playable area and to mark capzones, spawns, and anywhere with more than one layer.

They arent perfect, I didnt get to metalworks or reckoner, and I probably wont ever do more, but I figured I'd post them anyway in case people wanted to use them for smth.

Apologies for the thin vertical ones, some maps are just oriented that way and the process for making these woulda been way more complicated if I rotated them or tried to stitch them together from closer zoom levels.

Imgur Album

yea they werent shown shit but VNN was hounding them for info so they just phrased everything ambiguously and he took the bait

VNN keeps citing the saxxy winners having seen the new map but they legit just played thundermountain and decided to fuck with him