KratataAlright, buckle up.
I started working with Mitch from around the inception of CappingTV for about 2 months, helping him find talent, and trying to prevent him from burning bridges with everyone within the AU community (completely in vain). I now work with TFLIVE, so I feel like I have a very unique perspective on Mitchcliff123 and this tournament.
On the first night, literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. The stream went live with quid and snazzy on the mic without anyone at CPTV knowing who was playing first, least of all the casters who weren’t involved in the organisational side. They just went for it. For about 15 minutes quid and snazzy were forced to flounder and waffle on stream because the only resource they were given by the CPTV staff was the Challonge bracket, which didn’t even publicly list the names of the players, before the stream cut back to music without a single game having been played. After another solid half an hour of music, the stream unmuted again only for snazzy, trying not to piss himself from laughter, telling the viewers that something has gone wrong and no matches will be played tonight. Guess what went wrong? The servers weren't working. Mitch managed to break them, just trying to sort them out to run ultiduo. Not that he told anyone besides staff, leaving the players and viewers left in the dark.
As this was happening, Mitch made a public post in the discord telling everyone to book ozfortress servers to play your games on despite being told in advance that he was not allowed to use ozfortress resources for a private tournament whatsoever and had to run this without any assistance from ozfortress. When reminded of this fact by ozfortress administrators, he replied in the public discord that he had never been informed of this (which is a lie) and that he can use ozfortress servers for anything he wants whenever he wants because they're public property or something to a very similar effect, I can’t remember his exact phrasing as he’s since deleted the post.
On the second night, well, only tournament players know because Mitch made the decision to only cast the finals, because to quote his words it’s boring to watch despite passive-aggressively flaunting their casting exclusivity on forum posts repeatedly. Seriously, all of this effort and he literally just gave up and decided to only cast the finals out of the 22 games that were being played. What a waste of time of the CPTV staff, viewers and tournament players. The only reason this really got attention was the fact that it was supposed to be streamed, as well as the promise of in-game medals. To quote them on their forum posts: It wouldn't be a CappingTV event without a stream, so we will be casting the event exclusively, yet despite this they chose to only cast the finals.
My inside source says that the second night was not any better for the players. Long server wait times plagued everyone as everyone wrestled to get their match in. One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff. Again CPTV staff were told in no uncertain terms that they were not allowed to use for a private tournament, having been reminded of this the previous night. On top of that, the staff member didn’t even notify Mitch this was going on! On a night when you're supposed to have 20 ultiduo games going on almost simultaneously, the CPTV staff couldn’t even communicate properly about one.
As far as the promised medals know, I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the concept of valve time and how prickly an endeavour it can be to get items in game. Because of this, people who hand out medals (ToTH, ETF2L, ozf, UGC etc.) know to put the medals in the game well before they intend to hand them out. At this point, the competition is well and truly over and there's not so much as a 3D model, much less something actually in the game. All they have is a 2D concept sketch and a vague promise it'll be in the game within 3-5 weeks + valve time to obviously have the medals in the game at all. Then the small matter of distributing them obviously comes up. This smells an awful lot like an empty promise just based on those facts alone. I would love to be surprised and actually see medals appear in game but given everything else and the track record of Mitch and CPTV I have very strong doubts again. This was one of, if not the biggest drawcard to partake in this tournament, and due to a lack of organisational ability and timeliness it seems very unlikely that these medals will appear soon, assuming they appear at all.
Mitch and CPTV have been approached multiple times by so many different members of the community in an attempt to fix the difficulties the organisation has been having, but time again Mitch does not take in what is being said to him, and time again he makes what could very well be an awesome tournament/ organisation on paper into a serious kerfuffle for lack of a better word, and he cannot be allowed to keep on oblivious to his actions and his shortcomings. Because at the end of the day it always has come back to someone who isn’t Mitch to clean up these messes he and his organisation is creating, and he has to be held accountable at some point.
Yikes
[quote=Kratata]Alright, buckle up.
I started working with Mitch from around the inception of CappingTV for about 2 months, helping him find talent, and trying to prevent him from burning bridges with everyone within the AU community (completely in vain). I now work with TFLIVE, so I feel like I have a very unique perspective on Mitchcliff123 and this tournament.
On the [url=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/117660263]first night[/url], literally nothing happened. Nothing at all. The stream went live with quid and snazzy on the mic without anyone at CPTV knowing who was playing first, least of all the casters who weren’t involved in the organisational side. They just went for it. For about 15 minutes quid and snazzy were forced to flounder and waffle on stream because the only resource they were given by the CPTV staff was the Challonge bracket, which didn’t even publicly list the names of the players, before the stream cut back to music without a single game having been played. After another solid half an hour of music, the stream unmuted again only for snazzy, trying not to piss himself from laughter, telling the viewers that [i]something has gone wrong and no matches will be played tonight.[/i] Guess what went wrong? The servers weren't working. Mitch managed to break them, just trying to sort them out to run ultiduo. Not that he told anyone besides staff, leaving the players and viewers left in the dark.
As this was happening, Mitch made a public post in the discord telling everyone to [i]book ozfortress servers to play your games on[/i] despite being told in advance that he was [b]not allowed to use ozfortress resources for a private tournament whatsoever and had to run this without any assistance from ozfortress.[/b] When reminded of this fact by ozfortress administrators, he replied in the public discord that he had never been informed of this (which is a lie) and that [i]he can use ozfortress servers for anything he wants whenever he wants because they're public property[/i] or something to a very similar effect, I can’t remember his exact phrasing as he’s since deleted the post.
On the second night, well, only tournament players know because Mitch made the decision to only cast the finals, because to quote his words [i]it’s boring to watch[/i] despite passive-aggressively flaunting their casting exclusivity on forum posts repeatedly. Seriously, all of this effort and he literally just gave up and decided to only cast the finals out of the 22 games that were being played. What a waste of time of the CPTV staff, viewers and tournament players. The only reason this really got attention was the fact that it was supposed to be streamed, as well as the promise of in-game medals. To quote them on their forum posts: [i]It wouldn't be a CappingTV event without a stream, so we will be casting the event exclusively[/i], yet despite this they chose to only cast the finals.
My inside source says that the second night was not any better for the players. Long server wait times plagued everyone as everyone wrestled to get their match in. One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff. Again CPTV staff were told in no uncertain terms that they were not allowed to use for a private tournament, having been reminded of this the previous night. On top of that, the staff member didn’t even notify Mitch this was going on! On a night when you're supposed to have 20 ultiduo games going on almost simultaneously, the CPTV staff couldn’t even communicate properly about one.
As far as the promised medals know, I'm sure everyone here is familiar with the concept of valve time and how prickly an endeavour it can be to get items in game. Because of this, people who hand out medals (ToTH, ETF2L, ozf, UGC etc.) know to put the medals in the game well before they intend to hand them out. At this point, the competition is well and truly over and there's not so much as a 3D model, much less something actually in the game. All they have is a 2D concept sketch and a vague promise it'll be in the game within 3-5 weeks + valve time to obviously have the medals [b]in the game at all[/b]. Then the small matter of distributing them obviously comes up. This smells an awful lot like an empty promise just based on those facts alone. I would love to be surprised and actually see medals appear in game but given everything else and the track record of Mitch and CPTV I have very strong doubts again. This was one of, if not the biggest drawcard to partake in this tournament, and due to a lack of organisational ability and timeliness it seems very unlikely that these medals will appear soon, assuming they appear at all.
Mitch and CPTV have been approached multiple times by so many different members of the community in an attempt to fix the difficulties the organisation has been having, but time again Mitch does not take in what is being said to him, and time again he makes what could very well be an awesome tournament/ organisation on paper into a serious kerfuffle for lack of a better word, and he cannot be allowed to keep on oblivious to his actions and his shortcomings. Because at the end of the day it always has come back to someone who isn’t Mitch to clean up these messes he and his organisation is creating, and he has to be held accountable at some point.[/quote]
Yikes
hi
One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff.
nup
thanks
hi
One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff.
nup
thanks
It's partly my fault regarding medals. I handed out 2d concepts earlier to Mitch just days or weeks before the tournament starts. I contacted the regular guy who creates medals for AF (iridiscentFUZZ) and only contacted him only once since. I made no other effort to contact him due to him not really being seen online through discord and him being busy outside of this work alone. Once again, my apologies for medals not being done sooner enough.
-concor.
It's partly my fault regarding medals. I handed out 2d concepts earlier to Mitch just days or weeks before the tournament starts. I contacted the regular guy who creates medals for AF (iridiscentFUZZ) and only contacted him only once since. I made no other effort to contact him due to him not really being seen online through discord and him being busy outside of this work alone. Once again, my apologies for medals not being done sooner enough.
-concor.
if you didn't realize, fuzz only did our medals as a one time favor. we used to have ruskeydoo make them for us, but he contracted RSI (or some sort of wrist related injury) so that's why fuzz took time out to make it for us. he's also been retired of admin duties for two - three years+ and he runs his own business.
i don't want to join the band wagon but it's kinda odd you guys promised medals and the plan was to hope someone who's been inactive for so long to come back to make a medal for you for free....
if you didn't realize, fuzz only did our medals as a one time favor. we used to have ruskeydoo make them for us, but he contracted RSI (or some sort of wrist related injury) so that's why fuzz took time out to make it for us. he's also been retired of admin duties for two - three years+ and he runs his own business.
i don't want to join the band wagon but it's kinda odd you guys promised medals and the plan was to hope someone who's been inactive for so long to come back to make a medal for you for free....
Kratatasnip
Right, I've wanted to make one of these replies for so long but I've been holding off, but I will be as transparent as possible.
On the first night, the cast never happened as 1. The management team were so busy trying to get the forfeits fixed, server strings sent out, and answering dozens of DM's that we just said to cancel it, way to much to handle especially as we have never run a tournament before, just wanted to say that as it was our first time there would be some issues, but we have addressed them in our private discussions and we will make sure things stay on track if we run one again.
Now one thing you definitely got wrong was that the servers weren't working, I did not break them and they were working mostly fine (TFTrue wasn't starting up, after day 1 we tracked down the problem and fixed it.) Our other problem was the amount of teams we had compared to the amount of servers, we originally thought because it was a cpTV event and that there was a load of negativity caused by a select few of people that when we went to collect our servers from Streamline-Servers that we only thought we needed 4 or 5. We were wrong. And that was one reason we thought we could ask players to book ozf servers since they're free and have the maps for the first round, but of course we were veto'd by them and so we continued to slowly get strings out and get back on track. It was not a lie that I was not informed that we couldn't use ozf servers, only qixalite was I informed.
The second night, we decided that it would only be best we just casted finals as
1. Our EU producer had got last minute family problems and was not able to attend the computer
2. We didn't want to have it on our channel in case it reoccurred.
The long server wait times were due to the fact that we had 4 servers, but that did not add up to the matches, thus we told them to wait till they get a string and do something else within that time. What did work.
This one team playing an hour earlier was an absolute lie, I did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition. This game did not count, and I think that game was played just to have a nip at us.
Day 3 was alright, except the fact that our casters weren't avaliable and we were running out of people to find due to us being understaffed, thus we casted as a way of getting the coverage out.
concorIt's partly my fault regarding medals. I handed out 2d concepts earlier to Mitch just days or weeks before the tournament starts. I contacted the regular guy who creates medals for AF (iridiscentFUZZ) and only contacted him only once since. I made no other effort to contact him due to him not really being seen online through discord and him being busy outside of this work alone. Once again, my apologies for medals not being done sooner enough.
-concor.
None of this is your fault as it is my job with the help of mackey to make sure everything goes smoothly, iridiscentFUZZ is doing a wonderful job for us free, so we should all wait patiently for the medals to come up in our backpack, and I will find a way to thank him for doing this out of his own time. Also a big shoutout to concor for designing the logo, medals etc.
Everything aside, I think the cpTV Management team did learn a lesson from this competition and it will be different next time.
We will continue to cast this year and we will be coming out stronger.
- CappingTV Management Team
I love these downfrags just keep on going smh
[quote=Kratata]snip[/quote]
Right, I've wanted to make one of these replies for so long but I've been holding off, but I will be as transparent as possible.
On the first night, the cast never happened as 1. The management team were so busy trying to get the forfeits fixed, server strings sent out, and answering dozens of DM's that we just said to cancel it, way to much to handle especially as we have [b]never run a tournament before[/b], just wanted to say that as it was our first time there would be some issues, but we have addressed them in our private discussions and we will make sure things stay on track if we run one again.
Now one thing you definitely got wrong was that the servers weren't working, I did not break them and they were working mostly fine (TFTrue wasn't starting up, after day 1 we tracked down the problem and fixed it.) Our other problem was the amount of teams we had compared to the amount of servers, we originally thought because it was a cpTV event and that there was a load of negativity caused by a select few of people that when we went to collect our servers from Streamline-Servers that we only thought we needed 4 or 5. We were wrong. And that was one reason we thought we could ask players to book ozf servers since they're free and have the maps for the first round, but of course we were veto'd by them and so we continued to slowly get strings out and get back on track. It was not a lie that I was not informed that we couldn't use ozf servers, only qixalite was I informed.
The second night, we decided that it would only be best we just casted finals as
1. Our EU producer had got last minute family problems and was not able to attend the computer
2. We didn't want to have it on our channel in case it reoccurred.
The long server wait times were due to the fact that we had 4 servers, but that did not add up to the matches, thus we told them to wait till they get a string and do something else within that time. What did work.
This one team playing an hour earlier was an [b]absolute lie,[/b] I did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition. This game did not count, and I think that game was played just to have a nip at us.
Day 3 was alright, except the fact that our casters weren't avaliable and we were running out of people to find due to us being understaffed, thus we casted as a way of getting the coverage out.
[quote=concor]It's partly my fault regarding medals. I handed out 2d concepts earlier to Mitch just days or weeks before the tournament starts. I contacted the regular guy who creates medals for AF (iridiscentFUZZ) and only contacted him only once since. I made no other effort to contact him due to him not really being seen online through discord and him being busy outside of this work alone. Once again, my apologies for medals not being done sooner enough.
-concor.[/quote]
None of this is your fault as it is my job with the help of mackey to make sure everything goes smoothly, iridiscentFUZZ is doing a wonderful job for us free, so we should all wait patiently for the medals to come up in our backpack, and I will find a way to thank him for doing this out of his own time. Also a big shoutout to concor for designing the logo, medals etc.
Everything aside, I think the cpTV Management team did learn a lesson from this competition and it will be different next time.
We will continue to cast this year and we will be coming out stronger.
- CappingTV Management Team
I love these downfrags just keep on going smh
mitchcliff123- CappingTV Management Team
doesn't a team require more than one person
[quote=mitchcliff123]- CappingTV Management Team
[/quote]
doesn't a team require more than one person
I did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition.
do i still get a badge?
[quote=I did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition.][/quote]
do i still get a badge?
sBioI did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition.
do i still get a badge?
You can get a special badge named "nice try"
[quote=sBio][quote=I did not authorise them to play on an ozf server and that they were playing with people like bioh who weren't even in the competition.][/quote]
do i still get a badge?[/quote]
You can get a special badge named "nice try"
ImmatureLlamamitchcliff123- CappingTV Management Team
doesn't a team require more than one person
There is more than one person
[quote=ImmatureLlama][quote=mitchcliff123]- CappingTV Management Team
[/quote]
doesn't a team require more than one person[/quote]
There is more than one person
mitchcliff123Kratatasnip
I love these downfrags just keep on going smh
You got it pal!
You are making excuses about why there weren't enough servers and that seems to be based on the idea you were surprised by how many people signed up? You could see who had signed up for your tournament well in advance (also really? "we originally thought because it was a cpTV event and that there was a load of negativity caused by a select few of people" You need to stop basing so many of your decisions and posts on the 'cpTV haters')
[quote=mitchcliff123][quote=Kratata]snip[/quote]
I love these downfrags just keep on going smh[/quote]
You got it pal!
You are making excuses about why there weren't enough servers and that seems to be based on the idea you were surprised by how many people signed up? You could see who had signed up for your tournament well in advance (also really? "we originally thought because it was a cpTV event and that there was a load of negativity caused by a select few of people" You need to stop basing so many of your decisions and posts on the 'cpTV haters')
So have we finally reached the inevitable demise of the cappingtv organisation?
I sure hope so.
So have we finally reached the inevitable demise of the cappingtv organisation?
I sure hope so.
mackeyDhi
One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff.
nup
thanks
k, so you're telling me that the group of friends that i was with on the night of the tournament that i was talking to in mumble were lying to me about playing more than half an hour before the tournament?
you guys don't learn how to stop lying do you?
[quote=mackeyD]hi
One team even played half an hour earlier on an ozfortress server with the A-OK from CPTV staff.
nup
thanks[/quote]
k, so you're telling me that the group of friends that i was with on the night of the tournament that i was talking to in mumble were lying to me about playing more than half an hour before the tournament?
you guys don't learn how to stop lying do you?
Lmao what the fuck happened here, how hard is it to make an ultiduo cup???
Lmao what the fuck happened here, how hard is it to make an ultiduo cup???
damneasyLmao what the fuck happened here, how hard is it to make an ultiduo cup???
When it is run by two people with the combined age of 12, you never know what could happen.
[quote=damneasy]Lmao what the fuck happened here, how hard is it to make an ultiduo cup???[/quote]
When it is run by two people with the combined age of 12, you never know what could happen.
Given the amount of drama this seems to have generated, I'd be surprised to see cappnTV survive. Giving players false promises such medals and casting while the organisation fails to.... organise isn't very good for public image at all. Personally this looks to have been too ambitious and likely has dug you guys a grave.
Given the amount of drama this seems to have generated, I'd be surprised to see cappnTV survive. Giving players false promises such medals and casting while the organisation fails to.... organise isn't very good for public image at all. Personally this looks to have been too ambitious and likely has dug you guys a grave.