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Scream to Titan
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#61
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Ur a big nerd dude

Ur a big nerd dude
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#62
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lol

lol
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#63
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Hey twenty ur a fag

Get at me

Also I know about the im street hoops cs team and one other one in open, but are there some other cs players with league experience around these parts?

Hey twenty ur a fag

Get at me

Also I know about the im street hoops cs team and one other one in open, but are there some other cs players with league experience around these parts?
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#64
4 Frags +

qualified for eswc-invite bracket from open bracket. Lost to invite 1.6 mspaz team in a best of 3 in overtime on third map. We would have played n0thing and swag next round.
esea-open playoffs (only open and invite at the time) lost to Lex's team, now Winterfox, on aztec in the longest aztec match ever played in the history of csgo with a triple overtime.
esea-im (first season of main, pretty much a main team).

all pre-hats csgo

qualified for eswc-invite bracket from open bracket. Lost to invite 1.6 mspaz team in a best of 3 in overtime on third map. We would have played n0thing and swag next round.
esea-open playoffs (only open and invite at the time) lost to Lex's team, now Winterfox, on aztec in the longest aztec match ever played in the history of csgo with a triple overtime.
esea-im (first season of main, pretty much a main team).

all pre-hats csgo
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#65
-3 Frags +

ok so i was thinking about the apex/entry fragger disagreement that owl wrote (which he said was his strongest disagreement) and i felt like i could do a better job explaining my original point on that:

NV is built around trading. The role of the entry fragger is primarily to BE traded. this is not to say that you can stick anyone in the role and it doesnt matter if they cant hit shit, its really useful if your entry fragger can do some damage or even get a kill before going down, but thats all icing on the cake. When Apex goes into a site NV doesnt need him to kill to win the round. T's are fine with trading without adv, because they are essentially guaranteed the numbers adv wherever they go.

ie, you execute onto A on Cache, Apex looks forklift immediately and sees nothing. Hes shot from quad. The CT's now have man adv and trade adv, what that means is that if from this point on both teams trade perfectly the CT's will win. That's hard to do, because Kio just came out A main and domed the guy quad as he was finishing his kill on Apex. Now the teams are even (which favors the T's), but the CT's still have trade adv because the kill on the quad player was a return kill. Now the fork player peeks and kills Kio as hes running into site, he has a massive adv because the entire T side has a lot of potential angles to watch, and the fork player has the information on where exactly kio is. then the rest of the T side piles in, and either Happy or NBK will probably get the kill on the guy fork and set up for a 3v3 retake. The CT trade adv runs out, because theres no one in position to trade off the forklift player.

its why the entry is so crucial, because if Apex gets the first kill and therefore trade adv for his team, youre looking at a nearly unwinnable 3v4 retake assuming the CT can trade apex out (which isnt even guaranteed). Does Apex win a lot of rounds because hes great at his role? Yes. Would NV be able to win a map if Apex wasnt landing shots or was guessing ct locations wrong a lot? Yes. For a map like Mirage you only need 4 or 5 t rounds to be competitive if your ct is lockdown, you can get those 4 or 5 rounds on your basic trade execute without relying on your entry fragger to carry. that was my point, not that apex is unimportant, but that if you understand and are good at trading your life you can win a decent number of t rounds because you can set yourself up for favorable retakes.

your protip seems obviously facetious? NV has a lot of executes and set pick plays, even after Apex goes down. It's just Apex tends to be involved in them, because of his role as tradebait.

anyway, i think i explained a bit more what i meant. remember, that nerd essay was written late at night, so its unpolished, but i do think that most if not all of what i wrote has truth in it.

if anyone else, or owl, wants to have anything else clarified just post itt, i enjoy writing and thinking about cs, because i think cs is a really fun game with surprising depth. i didnt write that nerd essay trying to impress a tf2 forum, i wrote it because i was thinking about it and wanted to get some raw thoughts down. i think i can defend everything that i posted in the essay if anyone bothers to read it, and i also disagree that its full of hot air. there are editting issues like repeating words, but for the amount of shit i wanted to write it really couldnt be much shorter.

anyway, if you dont want to read it: don't. its obnoxious to reply "thats all bullshit" with no substance. if my post was really that atrocious this thread could have died 20 posts ago after no one read and responded to me without that completely unnecessary shit flinging contest.

ok so i was thinking about the apex/entry fragger disagreement that owl wrote (which he said was his strongest disagreement) and i felt like i could do a better job explaining my original point on that:

NV is built around trading. The role of the entry fragger is primarily to BE traded. this is not to say that you can stick anyone in the role and it doesnt matter if they cant hit shit, its really useful if your entry fragger can do some damage or even get a kill before going down, but thats all icing on the cake. When Apex goes into a site NV doesnt need him to kill to win the round. T's are fine with trading without adv, because they are essentially guaranteed the numbers adv wherever they go.

ie, you execute onto A on Cache, Apex looks forklift immediately and sees nothing. Hes shot from quad. The CT's now have man adv and trade adv, what that means is that if from this point on both teams trade perfectly the CT's will win. That's hard to do, because Kio just came out A main and domed the guy quad as he was finishing his kill on Apex. Now the teams are even (which favors the T's), but the CT's still have trade adv because the kill on the quad player was a return kill. Now the fork player peeks and kills Kio as hes running into site, he has a massive adv because the entire T side has a lot of potential angles to watch, and the fork player has the information on where exactly kio is. then the rest of the T side piles in, and either Happy or NBK will probably get the kill on the guy fork and set up for a 3v3 retake. The CT trade adv runs out, because theres no one in position to trade off the forklift player.

its why the entry is so crucial, because if Apex gets the first kill and therefore trade adv for his team, youre looking at a nearly unwinnable 3v4 retake assuming the CT can trade apex out (which isnt even guaranteed). Does Apex win a lot of rounds because hes great at his role? Yes. Would NV be able to win a map if Apex wasnt landing shots or was guessing ct locations wrong a lot? Yes. For a map like Mirage you only need 4 or 5 t rounds to be competitive if your ct is lockdown, you can get those 4 or 5 rounds on your basic trade execute without relying on your entry fragger to carry. that was my point, not that apex is unimportant, but that if you understand and are good at trading your life you can win a decent number of t rounds because you can set yourself up for favorable retakes.

your protip seems obviously facetious? NV has a lot of executes and set pick plays, even after Apex goes down. It's just Apex tends to be involved in them, because of his role as tradebait.

anyway, i think i explained a bit more what i meant. remember, that nerd essay was written late at night, so its unpolished, but i do think that most if not all of what i wrote has truth in it.

if anyone else, or owl, wants to have anything else clarified just post itt, i enjoy writing and thinking about cs, because i think cs is a really fun game with surprising depth. i didnt write that nerd essay trying to impress a tf2 forum, i wrote it because i was thinking about it and wanted to get some raw thoughts down. i think i can defend everything that i posted in the essay if anyone bothers to read it, and i also disagree that its full of hot air. there are editting issues like repeating words, but for the amount of shit i wanted to write it really couldnt be much shorter.

anyway, if you dont want to read it: don't. its obnoxious to reply "thats all bullshit" with no substance. if my post was really that atrocious this thread could have died 20 posts ago after no one read and responded to me without that completely unnecessary shit flinging contest.
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#66
8 Frags +

yo wtf people this was meant as a thread to gossip about pro cs transfers not Asperger general

yo wtf people this was meant as a thread to gossip about pro cs transfers not Asperger general
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#67
3 Frags +

nice dude

nice dude
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#68
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Schweppesyo wtf people this was meant as a thread to gossip about pro cs transfers not Asperger generaltwenty2020anyway, if you dont want to read it: don't

:)

[quote=Schweppes]yo wtf people this was meant as a thread to gossip about pro cs transfers not Asperger general[/quote]

[quote=twenty2020]anyway, if you dont want to read it: don't[/quote]
:)
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#69
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this is like a free cs lesson... Kreygasm

this is like a free cs lesson... Kreygasm
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#70
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twenty2020happy is the only igl that can carry a french squad, because he can teach players to play within his system (like how dazed was comfortable microing ska to the extreme)

Heard of ex6tence? He's a pretty good IGL in the French scene, I heard he was in the one of the best teams in the world once (VeryGames), he was probably the best at knowing how to use individual players to their strengths. But that's probably less relevant to this discussion than your UGC profile.

[quote=twenty2020]happy is the only igl that can carry a french squad, because he can teach players to play within his system (like how dazed was comfortable microing ska to the extreme)[/quote]
Heard of ex6tence? He's a pretty good IGL in the French scene, I heard he was in the one of the best teams in the world once (VeryGames), he was probably the best at knowing how to use individual players to their strengths. But that's probably less relevant to this discussion than your UGC profile.
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#71
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I would say its pretty clear he's heard of ex6tence considering he mentioned him in the post.

twenty2020consisted of stealing smarter french igls (xsten6(im not even going to bother learning to spell his name until he makes another top 5 cs team) and happy
I would say its pretty clear he's heard of ex6tence considering he mentioned him in the post.

[quote=twenty2020]
consisted of stealing smarter french igls (xsten6(im not even going to bother learning to spell his name until he makes another top 5 cs team) and happy
[/quote]
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#72
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riot124twenty2020happy is the only igl that can carry a french squad, because he can teach players to play within his system (like how dazed was comfortable microing ska to the extreme)Heard of ex6tence? He's a pretty good IGL in the French scene, I heard he was in the one of the best teams in the world once (VeryGames), he was probably the best at knowing how to use individual players to their strengths. But that's probably less relevant to this discussion than your UGC profile.

i think ex6tence is really really good at designing executes and pick plays or counter stratting executes. the issue is, that happy constructs a cs system that his players operate in, and i think that leads to better cs. ex6tence will have you memorize more, happy will instead tell you your role, and then after the match is over look at the demo and say "ok so when x happened you should have done y instead". thats why happy gets a reputation for not microing his players, he doesn't make as many ingame decisions as ex6tence or sgares, but happy's players end up playing exactly how happy wants them to (after a period of adjustment and assuming they don't have an ego)

basically rules that modify your play so you can compete against the best vs. designed plays and positions that you memorize

and i think that historically, happy's meta rules the roost. ex6tence hasn't been relevant in a major since dhw2013. thats a LONG time

[quote=riot124][quote=twenty2020]happy is the only igl that can carry a french squad, because he can teach players to play within his system (like how dazed was comfortable microing ska to the extreme)[/quote]
Heard of ex6tence? He's a pretty good IGL in the French scene, I heard he was in the one of the best teams in the world once (VeryGames), he was probably the best at knowing how to use individual players to their strengths. But that's probably less relevant to this discussion than your UGC profile.[/quote]
i think ex6tence is really really good at designing executes and pick plays or counter stratting executes. the issue is, that happy constructs a cs system that his players operate in, and i think that leads to better cs. ex6tence will have you memorize more, happy will instead tell you your role, and then after the match is over look at the demo and say "ok so when x happened you should have done y instead". thats why happy gets a reputation for not microing his players, he doesn't make as many ingame decisions as ex6tence or sgares, but happy's players end up playing exactly how happy wants them to (after a period of adjustment and assuming they don't have an ego)

basically rules that modify your play so you can compete against the best vs. designed plays and positions that you memorize

and i think that historically, happy's meta rules the roost. ex6tence hasn't been relevant in a major since dhw2013. thats a LONG time
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#73
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twenty2020also as long as we're calling people out:
both dummy and yourself are sub 10rws players with 1000+ hours. im glad we had this dick measuring contest

lol ive been playing with philippine internet since june (my only sub 10 rws months ever)

lets look at career

yours : https://gyazo.com/1ec77f1d8b074cd023e7fddfba845468

mine : https://gyazo.com/b7e20329a0eccf8a40c34b9c587ddf26

im kinda shit, but im still 11+ rws in the states, not that it matters.

BTW I think you have autism, i'd get that checked out. Condolences.

[quote=twenty2020]also as long as we're calling people out:
both dummy and yourself are sub 10rws players with 1000+ hours. im glad we had this dick measuring contest[/quote]


lol ive been playing with philippine internet since june (my only sub 10 rws months ever)

lets look at career

yours : https://gyazo.com/1ec77f1d8b074cd023e7fddfba845468

mine : https://gyazo.com/b7e20329a0eccf8a40c34b9c587ddf26

im kinda shit, but im still 11+ rws in the states, not that it matters.

BTW I think you have autism, i'd get that checked out. Condolences.
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#74
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dummylol ive been playing with philippine internet since june (my only sub 10 rws months ever)

lets look at career

yours : https://gyazo.com/1ec77f1d8b074cd023e7fddfba845468

mine : https://gyazo.com/b7e20329a0eccf8a40c34b9c587ddf26

im kinda shit, but im still 11+ rws in the states, not that it matters.

BTW I think you have autism, i'd get that checked out. Condolences.

its gonna be tough to convey how little i care that youre actually an 11rws player instead of a 10rws player, thanks for clearing that up tho

[quote=dummy]
lol ive been playing with philippine internet since june (my only sub 10 rws months ever)

lets look at career

yours : https://gyazo.com/1ec77f1d8b074cd023e7fddfba845468

mine : https://gyazo.com/b7e20329a0eccf8a40c34b9c587ddf26

im kinda shit, but im still 11+ rws in the states, not that it matters.

BTW I think you have autism, i'd get that checked out. Condolences.[/quote]
its gonna be tough to convey how little i care that youre actually an 11rws player instead of a 10rws player, thanks for clearing that up tho
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#75
11 Frags +

haha dude you didnt even deny the part about the autism

haha dude you didnt even deny the part about the autism
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#76
-2 Frags +
dummyhaha dude you didnt even deny the part about the autism

ya my post would have been really helped by responding to every bullshit insult u throw out

locked on the first funny post dummy wrote smh. and idc what people post, u dont need the faux apology, just not sure why you got so wound up over something that really never concerned you

[quote=dummy]haha dude you didnt even deny the part about the autism[/quote]
ya my post would have been really helped by responding to every bullshit insult u throw out

locked on the first funny post dummy wrote smh. and idc what people post, u dont need the faux apology, just not sure why you got so wound up over something that really never concerned you
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#77
4 Frags +

you mightve misinterpreted something ive said because i said it in a bad way, but i doubt anything i said is wrong (especially the part about your career 8 rws)

edit: lol last time i did this i got banned. ill stop dude, no hard feelings!

you mightve misinterpreted something ive said because i said it in a bad way, but i doubt anything i said is wrong (especially the part about your career 8 rws)

edit: lol last time i did this i got banned. ill stop dude, no hard feelings!
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