I dont know what gave anyone here indication that Valve ever cared about TF2 competitive. Thats what they have CS and Dota for.

I was in a pub today as demo and I hit a medic for 8 with a sticky
vacinator is a powerful weapon

Except this happens every couple weeks in League of Legends, the biggest esport in the world.

All the pros there adjust to changes all the time. Their favorite champions being nerfed into the ground, item changes completely switching up builds or changing how they have to play the game. And they adapt. Instead of just whining for days.

Actually they never adopt an update for LAN use until 3(2?) weeks after the update comes out for League.

I was fooling around in a pub today and there was a spy coming directly at me with his knife out, I fired 3 stickies and hit him for around 30 each time, did more self damage than actual damage despite the stickies being closer to him than me. He butter-knifed me, this is depressing... ;_;

I agree 100%.

Pretty hard to compare tf2 with league

An email to the TF team.
http://pastebin.com/PJj6KwAN

Lets stop skirting around the real issue here: The Classic NEEDS a headshot bonus buff in some way. Demo/Schmemo, poor sniper just got teased into oblivion...

Can we also talk about the Back Scatter 143 damage instant from behind. I'm not fully sure of the consequences of this but it seems like a 1 shot to scouts with a small buff.

no that hasnt happened yet at all
what i mean is nobody is actually changing sticks in any competitive league

its pretty mediocre, id honestly place it at as a bad sidegrade after playing with it for an hour in dm
the minicrit is great but consistently getting a full 143 damage shot is both really hard and requires baiting/hiding to do.

You should write erotic novels.

- Added tftrue_sticky_fulldamage which removes the 2 second delay before getting a full damage sticky if enabled

update to TFTrue

Yeah but that got denied by the ETF2L admins. Even Anak was unsure of putting it in, initially.

Mustard the reason why I like this change is because it breathes new life into a somewhat stagnant game. New strategies, play styles, things to worry about and things to figure out are much more fun to me than putting in 80 hours a week to perfect some spam angles that instagib an over buffed scout.

Quick-Fix was perfectly fine from a spectator POV until heavy started getting abused.

i am sure this is going to change hearts and minds:

That might work in a moba style game, the periodic balance patches that is, and I must say that it actually does wonders for the dota metagame at least, which I am somewhat on par with. But I don't think FPS's benefit from this at all, especially a team based fps like tf2.

Look at CS balance patches for example, most of it are real bugfixes or broken/underpowered weapons like the AUG changes, or the slight deagle buff a few months ago, even new weapons are very closely worked on, not just dumped into the game and expected to fit the meta. If you changed a core attribute of the AWP for example, all hell would break loose.

As much success as they have in the esports world, I think we shouldn't look up to moba's as a guideline for us.

they said in dev commentary demo is supposed to be versatile and switch between offense and defense. so they nerfed just the offensive side of demo???

Did valve just raise the skill ceiling

it's more of making demo worse than soldier, and you can be at least 5% better than a soldier if you land slow-moving, arcing projectiles perfectly ontop of everyone you ever meet and you have no room for error ever

or you can just sit back and put a trap somewhere to fully embrace the only redeemable quality about demo now.

or you can play demoknight have fun

Or you can just hit some fucking pills. My gosh.

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/67/Grenade_Launcher.png/250px-Grenade_Launcher.png

This is the primary weapon of the Demoman class. You should be comparing this weapon to the Rocket launcher, not the secondary weapon called sticky launcher.

After playing some games I've decided I like the change a lot less. Maybe find some middle ground between the two? 1 second to ramp up would put sticks around 45 damage right? It's not very satisfying to lob a bomb halfway across the point and do the same amount of damage as a shotgun.

And die from self damage

Okay let me reword that for the pipe launcher

you can be at least 5% better than a soldier if you land slow-moving, arcing projectiles perfectly ontop of everyone you ever meet and you have no room for error ever

Yeah med should get a nerf to the medigun. Medics shouldnt be using their secondary so much

I have 1000+ hours on demoman, hours of practicing and getting to know the class. That being said, I don't much mind this nerf. Honestly, the only thing im focusing on is how am I, as a player, going to adapt to this nerf to support my team. So far whats been working for me is literally turning mid into a fucking minefield and using pipes to deal damage to early jumpers/scouts. It seems now that playing demoman in 6`s is going to take alot more prediction, and `nade launcher use.

Of course, this is just my take on things, and this method might not always work. But what im trying to get at here is that you cant just give up on the class completely. Learn to adapt, you`ll figure out a style that fits you and your team. I'm determined to make the most out of this nerf and be one of the players to excel and work with it.

Natural selection, gentlemen.

EDIT: then again there is also the possibility that Valve will revoke this nerf and im just a crazy lunatic raving about the rapture