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Whitelist Discussion
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#1
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Hey TF.TV,

The upcoming seasons of both CEVO and ESEA will be here before you know it, and I think now is a good time to start discussing any potential changes that the community may want to whitelists. We (CEVO) will most likely not make any decisions based directly on this thread, but will probably use this as a means of determining the hot-button issues and putting those up for a poll at a later date.

For reference, here is the current CEVO 6v6 whitelist used in season 4: http://whitelist.tf/cevo_6v6

Thanks,
CEVO|Lange

Hey TF.TV,

The upcoming seasons of both CEVO and ESEA will be here before you know it, and I think now is a good time to start discussing any potential changes that the community may want to whitelists. We (CEVO) will most likely not make any decisions based directly on this thread, but will probably use this as a means of determining the hot-button issues and putting those up for a poll at a later date.

For reference, here is the current CEVO 6v6 whitelist used in season 4: http://whitelist.tf/cevo_6v6

Thanks,
CEVO|Lange
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#2
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Lange, I think you're a hot button.

Lange, I think [i]you're[/i] a hot button.
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#3
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AloSecLange, I think you're a hot button.

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[quote=AloSec]Lange, I think [i]you're[/i] a hot button.[/quote]
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#4
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Ban conch

Ban conch
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#5
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Allow Liberty Launcher. It's trash anyways, not gonna hurt to allow it.

Allow Liberty Launcher. It's trash anyways, not gonna hurt to allow it.
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#6
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Ban Conch, everything else is fine.

Ban Conch, everything else is fine.
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#7
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The buff banner and conch alone can be pretty annoying.

The buff banner and conch alone can be pretty annoying.
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#8
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out of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?

out of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?
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#9
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Kapowwout of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?

Infinite hiding around corners and free knowledge with no audio que

[quote=Kapoww]out of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?[/quote]
Infinite hiding around corners and free knowledge with no audio que
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#10
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Kapoww

there's a couple exploits, one regarding high 5ing when the round ends and then being stuck in the animation but able to move, fucks up your hitbox. there used to be one with being able to get inside opponents spawn but i think that was fixed, not that it would've worked in 6s anyways as it required cooperation from someone on the other team.

SleepingLife

also this.

[quote=Kapoww][/quote]
there's a couple exploits, one regarding high 5ing when the round ends and then being stuck in the animation but able to move, fucks up your hitbox. there used to be one with being able to get inside opponents spawn but i think that was fixed, not that it would've worked in 6s anyways as it required cooperation from someone on the other team.
[quote=SleepingLife][/quote]
also this.
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#11
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well yea its because u can hold a high five for as long as you want and end it whenever u want, a lot different than every other taunt

well yea its because u can hold a high five for as long as you want and end it whenever u want, a lot different than every other taunt
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#12
-3 Frags +

when did the conch hate train arrive?

when did the conch hate train arrive?
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#13
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why is the hitman's heatmaker banned?

why is the hitman's heatmaker banned?
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#14
-42 Frags +

Everything is fine, but just for some wicked future plays, maybe ullapool unban? just an idea. or jarate too maybe.

Everything is fine, but just for some wicked future plays, maybe ullapool unban? just an idea. or jarate too maybe.
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#15
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Ullapool you mean so you can clean up 2 people without anything when you're just dead otherwise? And jarate for a guaranted uber force only if you hit it or some drops from behind for more fairness?

Yeah sounds like a good idea to allow this skill rewarding and at no point completly retarded weapons.

Ullapool you mean so you can clean up 2 people without anything when you're just dead otherwise? And jarate for a guaranted uber force only if you hit it or some drops from behind for more fairness?

Yeah sounds like a good idea to allow this skill rewarding and at no point completly retarded weapons.
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#16
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HasssassinEverything is fine, but just for some wicked future plays, maybe ullapool unban? just an idea. or jarate too maybe.

no.

[quote=Hasssassin]Everything is fine, but just for some wicked future plays, maybe ullapool unban? just an idea. or jarate too maybe.[/quote]
no.
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#17
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Kapowwout of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?

Ask either of your teams soldiers.

[quote=Kapoww]out of curiosity why is the high five taunt banned?[/quote]
Ask either of your teams soldiers.
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#18
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I don't play comp yet, but surely the amby and dr should be banned in sixes? Would be annoying to fight... also rtr as well imo

I don't play comp yet, but surely the amby and dr should be banned in sixes? Would be annoying to fight... also rtr as well imo
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#19
-12 Frags +

Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.

Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.
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#20
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redrocket4Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.

If someone is stupid enough to pull out boxing gloves instead of using a mini rail gun and someone else is stupid enough to let the heavy punch him to death then they 'deserve' the crits

[quote=redrocket4]Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.[/quote]
If someone is stupid enough to pull out boxing gloves instead of using a mini rail gun and someone else is stupid enough to let the heavy punch him to death then they 'deserve' the crits
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#21
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Mangachuredrocket4Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.If someone is stupid enough to pull out boxing gloves instead of using a mini rail gun and someone else is stupid enough to let the heavy punch him to death then they 'deserve' the crits

Let's not be brash, this redrocket4 guy might be onto something... Crits on kill, dude? How are you supposed to stop him from killing everyone in the game?

[quote=Mangachu][quote=redrocket4]Maybe banned Killing Gloves of Boxing? IMO, it's kinda OP, granting crits on kill.[/quote]
If someone is stupid enough to pull out boxing gloves instead of using a mini rail gun and someone else is stupid enough to let the heavy punch him to death then they 'deserve' the crits[/quote]

Let's not be brash, this redrocket4 guy might be onto something... Crits on kill, dude? How are you supposed to stop him from killing everyone in the game?
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#22
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What if a team decides to uber a heavy and then get a KBG kill and then the heavy has free crits AND uber??

I mean, the holiday punch is banned cause you can kritz a heavy and stop an uber. These heavy melees are really getting ridiculous.

What if a team decides to uber a heavy and then get a KBG kill and then the heavy has free crits AND uber??

I mean, the holiday punch is banned cause you can kritz a heavy and stop an uber. These heavy melees are really getting ridiculous.
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#23
9 Frags +

Not that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?

Not that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?
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#24
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TurboliciousNot that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?

Good question, I'm not entirely sure. On the surface, it doesn't seem like a particularly powerful or controversial weapon.

hanbrolowhy is the hitman's heatmaker banned?

It's a carried-over ban from either the S3 whitelist or the ESEA whitelist. I know very little about this weapon and how it behaves it sixes, so if anyone wants to offer some insight then I'd appreciate it.

[quote=Turbolicious]Not that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?[/quote]
Good question, I'm not entirely sure. On the surface, it doesn't seem like a particularly powerful or controversial weapon.

[quote=hanbrolo]why is the hitman's heatmaker banned?[/quote]
It's a carried-over ban from either the S3 whitelist or the ESEA whitelist. I know very little about this weapon and how it behaves it sixes, so if anyone wants to offer some insight then I'd appreciate it.
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#25
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TurboliciousNot that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?

Just guessing here but I think most people like the idea of limiting the number of weapons that cause bleed effects because it's annoying for visibility reasons. Although I think this has been improved over the past year with updates, and it is also hard to justify since we allow basher for building and that isn't going anywhere. Additionally, one of the downsides is no random crits which obviously does nothing in comp. The other downside is increased fire vulnerability, which is also going to be a rare scenario in 6s. So essentially there is no downside.

[quote=Turbolicious]Not that it really matters but why is southern hospitality banned?[/quote]
Just guessing here but I think most people like the idea of limiting the number of weapons that cause bleed effects because it's annoying for visibility reasons. Although I think this has been improved over the past year with updates, and it is also hard to justify since we allow basher for building and that isn't going anywhere. Additionally, one of the downsides is no random crits which obviously does nothing in comp. The other downside is increased fire vulnerability, which is also going to be a rare scenario in 6s. So essentially there is no downside.
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#26
5 Frags +

The bleed effect blinded peoples screens if they use DX8 or whatever

The bleed effect blinded peoples screens if they use DX8 or whatever
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#27
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Why is Red tape recorder allowed?
As far as I know there's still quite a few glitches involving this item. Obviously spy plays are not very common in sixes, but maybe something to address.

Wasn't there still a bug or two around the Bazaar Bargain?

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On an unrelated CEVO topic... Is there going to be anything changed around the rules for FFW/FFL?
Something that I found unfortunate was after receiving FFW, being placed against one of the highest teams in CEVO O just because we both would have received FFW's -- this resulted in our team getting rolled and pretty unpleasant match for both teams.
Especially since there was such a large difference in CEVO open last season.

Why is Red tape recorder allowed?
As far as I know there's still quite a few glitches involving this item. Obviously spy plays are not very common in sixes, but maybe something to address.

Wasn't there still a bug or two around the Bazaar Bargain?


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On an unrelated CEVO topic... Is there going to be anything changed around the rules for FFW/FFL?
Something that I found unfortunate was after receiving FFW, being placed against one of the highest teams in CEVO O just because we both would have received FFW's -- this resulted in our team getting rolled and pretty unpleasant match for both teams.
Especially since there was such a large difference in CEVO open last season.
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#28
2 Frags +

Why's the shred alert banned? Literally best taunt in the game.

Why's the shred alert banned? Literally best taunt in the game.
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#29
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Langehanbrolowhy is the hitman's heatmaker banned?It's a carried-over ban from either the S3 whitelist or the ESEA whitelist. I know very little about this weapon and how it behaves it sixes, so if anyone wants to offer some insight then I'd appreciate it.

[/quote]
After I think 3 kills or 4 assists or some other combination that builds the focus completely, you can shoot without scoping out with a +25% charge rate, which is pretty powerful for a good sniper that positions himself well before using the focus. It seems like a pretty strong ability that you gain every once in a while, maybe a couple times per round. The downside though is pretty significant, 20% less damage on body shots. Which means you can't get body shot kills on any full health class.

[quote=Lange][quote=hanbrolo]why is the hitman's heatmaker banned?[/quote]
It's a carried-over ban from either the S3 whitelist or the ESEA whitelist. I know very little about this weapon and how it behaves it sixes, so if anyone wants to offer some insight then I'd appreciate it.[/quote] [/quote]
After I think 3 kills or 4 assists or some other combination that builds the focus completely, you can shoot without scoping out with a +25% charge rate, which is pretty powerful for a good sniper that positions himself well before using the focus. It seems like a pretty strong ability that you gain every once in a while, maybe a couple times per round. The downside though is pretty significant, 20% less damage on body shots. Which means you can't get body shot kills on any full health class.
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#30
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WariWhy's the shred alert banned? Literally best taunt in the game.

why isn't the meet the medic banned?

pls im still running my pentium 4 box

[quote=Wari]Why's the shred alert banned? Literally best taunt in the game.[/quote]
why isn't the meet the medic banned?

pls im still running my pentium 4 box
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